Skip to comments.2013 FORMULA 1 KOREAN GRAND PRIX - LIVE THREAD
Posted on 10/03/2013 5:25:23 PM PDT by Chode
|Race Date:||06 Oct 2013|
|Circuit Name:||Korea International Circuit|
|First Grand Prix:||2010|
|Number of Laps:||55|
|Circuit Length:||5.615 km|
|Race Distance:||308.630 km|
|Lap Record:||1:39.605 - S Vettel (2011)||
Friday Sunny 26C
Saturday Rain 26C
Sunday Rain 25C
I have a serious question.
Clearly, F1, is wide open when it comes to the adaptation of technology.
The use of telemetry has been well established.
As a race fan, and a technology fan. I can’t help but to recognize that the ability of NASCAR teams to use the “sensor” technology is easily available.
The idea that it is the driver telling the crew that their car is loose or tight may be a show for the fans.
Being loose or tight can easily be obtained from a handful of sensors.
and a good crew chief could prolly tell from tire wear what the car is doing too
“I’m loose, I’m tight”
Crew chief “No your not”, “you need to learn how to drive”.
Crew chief “if it wasn’t for your ability to get sponsors, you would learn to drive a car”.
F1 crew chief/Owner “You’re fired”.
You've got to tell us what's going on with the car.
You want to change the way I drive. Set up the car so I don't have to change.
- Tell me how.
- What do you want to know?
Is she running loose or tight? A turn here, take some wedge out, we'll win some races.
I can't do that. I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
How do you mean that?
- I don't know much about cars.
- Neither does any other driver.
No, I really don't know. A turn here? A wedge there? - I don't know.
- How can that be?
They told me to get in a car and drive. I'd like to help out, but I can't. I don't have the vocabulary.
Well... we're just going to have to figure one out.
driver; “I know you set this thing up for optimal lap times”, “but I can’t do it, without wrecking”.
Crew chief/owner; “It’s cool, just make sure you mention our sponsors after you crash”.
It’s must be a certain “lead of faith” for a driver to trust the set up.
F1, has become a Highly disciplined.
Nascar, seems to retain a drivers ability to drive “from the seat of their pants”.
That being said. It is very rare to see an F1 driver that recovers from an issue on the track.
Seeing Kyle Busch save this?
This is insane:
That’s what makes Nascar, Nascar.
But I guarantee you when they go testing they work with all those sensors and “educate” the drivers.
Nascar is about drivers and crew chiefs.
Engineers have to hide back in the transporter LOL.
There’s more ride buyers in F1 than in the top 22 in Cup.
I have this friend from England that was/is a Motorcycle racer.
Completely nuts, but knows how to drive anything.
He took an opportunity to sit in an F1 simulator. This was a full on, high dollar Sim that was used by a top team.
It took him 5 times, just to get the thing moving. Virtually every time he shifted it wanted to spin out under the horsepower.
I don’t think very many people understand what they are seeing on TV.
|2||1||Sebastian Vettel||Red Bull Racing-Renault||1:38.781||0.108||30|
|4||2||Mark Webber||Red Bull Racing-Renault||1:38.844||0.171||35|
|10||15||Adrian Sutil||Force India-Mercedes||1:40.006||1.333||34|
|11||14||Paul di Resta||Force India-Mercedes||1:40.007||1.334||34|
|19||21||Giedo van der Garde||Caterham-Renault||1:42.461||3.788||36|
I recall the Top Gear episode where one of the guys took a Renault F1 for a spin. Literally. He had trouble driving the car, saying “this car wants to react faster than I can think.”
Agree, the cars are amazing. As is the talent.
Each category has its challenges.
Anyone notice all of the Red Bull traction control stories lately? Is it possible that instead of cutting power from the engine they’re engaging/disengaging KERS based on wheelspin?
The term traction control is ambiguous, the regulations only attempt to prevent the effect by enforcing the use of a spec ECU. If Red Bull are, lets say, KERS harvesting under initial acceleration out of corners, using the resistance of the motor/generator to reduce wheel-spin then that would be entirely legal.
Much like exhaust blowing and double diffusers, just because you are achieving an effect which the spirit of the regulations attempt to outlaw, that doesnt mean you are doing anything illegal.
|1||1||Sebastian Vettel||Red Bull Racing-Renault||1:38.683||1:37.569||1:37.202||13|
|3||2||Mark Webber||Red Bull Racing-Renault||1:39.138||1:37.840||1:37.464||13|
|14||15||Adrian Sutil||Force India-Mercedes||1:38.988||1:38.431||15|
|15||14||Paul di Resta||Force India-Mercedes||1:39.185||1:38.718||15|
|20||21||Giedo van der Garde||Caterham-Renault||1:40.871||6|
|Q1 107% Time||1:45.224|
|1||1||Sebastian Vettel||Red Bull Racing-Renault||55||1:43:13.701||1||25|
|2||7||Kimi Räikkönen||Lotus-Renault||55||+4.2 secs||9||18|
|3||8||Romain Grosjean||Lotus-Renault||55||+4.9 secs||3||15|
|4||11||Nico Hulkenberg||Sauber-Ferrari||55||+24.1 secs||7||12|
|5||10||Lewis Hamilton||Mercedes||55||+25.2 secs||2||10|
|6||3||Fernando Alonso||Ferrari||55||+26.1 secs||5||8|
|7||9||Nico Rosberg||Mercedes||55||+26.6 secs||4||6|
|8||5||Jenson Button||McLaren-Mercedes||55||+32.2 secs||11||4|
|9||4||Felipe Massa||Ferrari||55||+34.3 secs||6||2|
|10||6||Sergio Perez||McLaren-Mercedes||55||+35.1 secs||10||1|
|11||12||Esteban Gutierrez||Sauber-Ferrari||55||+35.9 secs||8|
|12||17||Valtteri Bottas||Williams-Renault||55||+47.0 secs||17|
|13||16||Pastor Maldonado||Williams-Renault||55||+50.0 secs||18|
|14||20||Charles Pic||Caterham-Renault||55||+63.5 secs||19|
|15||21||Giedo van der Garde||Caterham-Renault||55||+64.5 secs||20|
|16||22||Jules Bianchi||Marussia-Cosworth||55||+67.9 secs||22|
|17||23||Max Chilton||Marussia-Cosworth||55||+72.8 secs||21|
|20||15||Adrian Sutil||Force India-Mercedes||50||Accident damage||14|
|Ret||2||Mark Webber||Red Bull Racing-Renault||36||Accident / fire||13|
|Ret||14||Paul di Resta||Force India-Mercedes||24||Accident||15|
Just got around to watching on DVR.
Kind of funny to see the Jeep pacing the field.
no lie, lucky nobody hit the damn thing...
when i saw it, all i could think of was WTF!!!
That would be Kolean Gland Plee.
Vettel is amazing in that on every start/restart he can run a lap 2 seconds faster than anybody else. That is just beyond normal.
watched Rush online last night, gonna go see it in the theater wed night
still pissed they turned down the Glen's offer to shoot at the track
The $100 coat hanger, revenge of the track owners LOL
He’s unreal, but frankly the racing this F1 season has been a snooze-fest.
“Hes unreal, but frankly the racing this F1 season has been a snooze-fest.”
The combo of Vettel and Red Bull Racing is pretty impressive, for consistency.
Against the best the world has to offer, they don’t make mistakes.
They sure don’t. They are clobbering the other teams, making them look like amateurs. Everything is top-notch, the car, the driver, the pit crew.
just a matter of time....maybe the sponsors are getting bored
In all fairness, it says coathangers, plural.
How many hangers does a team use? A few dozen at least, I’d guess (and half will be stolen as souvenirs...). I don’t run a catering business, but I’m (again) guessing that it’s cheaper for the teams to rent all the peripheral stuff instead of air-freighting it to those far away races...
No, by all accounts (and you can hear it if you listen for it) they are selectively shutting down 4 cylinders by way of the engine mapping. All perfectly legal.
But it’s a F1 coat hanger! Do you have a F1 coat hanger in your closet?
It’s a funny game as both sides extort big bucks from each other. I’d love to know how the financials of them running at COTA Austin look, although if they’re gone in a few years that will be the best indicator.
Best guess? The ECU controls the fuel injection to the cylinders. Tell it to NOT inject fuel to certain cylinders under a specific set of parameters. They have enough sensors on these cars to make it work.
In any case, the partial engine shut-off was confirmed by Christian Horner in interviews at last week’s race. If you know that they’re doing it, you CAN hear it as the RBs go through the slower corners. (Sounds like they’re misfiring)
see i thought all the cars had to use FIA supplied units like restrictor plates in NASCAR and therefore they were tamper proof from remapping by the owners
i don't doubt what they are doing, just trying to understand the how
I don’t know *exactly* how they do it either. If I did, so would all the other teams...and copy it.
The actual ECUs are provided to all teams by McLaren, and they are sealed by FIA.
RB has not tampered with the ECU. Whatever they are doing is legal.