Skip to comments.Residents warned of mercury exposure after fluorescent light bulbs dumped at Dallas playground
Posted on 10/05/2013 8:04:02 PM PDT by Arthurio
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Did the fumes run you out of the house?
Same here. They seem to last about like Edison bulbs at my house.
Oh and by the way someone in the Dallas area. That will be a hazardous waste site for the near future Whether guvmint says so or not. Now I know Dallas tx ain’t run by Libs so if they want to the people doing the cleanup should have hazmat gear and mercury detection equipment that is good to 1 nano gram per cu mtr. Please tell them to use extreme caution and to use the data of 25 mg per lamp or approx 15 g of hg spilled or local concerns of 5-100 mg per cu mtr. This is far above exposure limits for anyone without serious gear. There are likely to be experts in the Industrial hygiene and hazmat depts
My insult? I merely challenged you to defend one of your claims.
You refuse to do so, and continue to accuse me of being part of your conspiracy.
I already stated that I don’t support the government mandate forcing these bulbs on the public.
But, since you are convinced that I am part of that grand conspiracy, of course you don’t believe me, and will once again accuse me of being a shill.
Of course, you also won’t believe me that I did watch your video.
One thing that I would have liked to have seen in that video was that person holding their field strength meter close to a traditional tubular fluorescent bulb, or for that matter, close to a computer power supply, a computer monitor, a lamp dimmer, a flat screen TV, or a cell phone.
That would have provided a useful basis for comparison, but the producer of that video chose not to do that. Why?
I believe you would have seen similar readings from those other devices, but that would have watered down the argument being advanced in the video, so the producers opted not to go there.
Yep, there I go again, shilling for the “purveyors”.
It’s long been known (certainly since before CFLs came along) that there are people who have sensitivity to flickering light, even if the flickering is imperceptible. This affects epileptics, and people prone to migraines. That there should be problems with CFLs certainly shouldn’t come as a surprise. I do agree that warning labels are appropriate for people who have that sensitivity.
I’d like to ask that woman who claimed that horrible rash appeared after 20 minutes next to a CFL bulb what happens to her in direct sunlight? Why didn’t the producers ask her that? Didn’t fit their agenda?
Finally, if I am such a shill, why the hell aren’t they paying me to do it? I could use the money.
Hey, I’m with ya, FRiend. I just never heard a word about mercury in those things until CFLs hit the market. That’s why I asked.
Look here mr fresh wind.
You simply belie your title unless you see the truth
I’m not going to engauge you any further it is a waste of my time
Have all the crap mercury filled UV giving off interference creating crap you want for now in your own house. Ill never tell you what to do
However the PUBLIC needs to be spared of both toxic gas and harmful radiation
And I fight to my death asserting that these crap relics of the 40s need to Go.
The old lamps are wonderful. 2$. Filled with argon gas Perfectly dimmable with any dimmer. Will NEVER blow up and set fire to your house. Will NEVER hurt anyone in fact will HELP people see in the dark
NO PROBLEM gee why is guvmint trying to Ban them?
LEDs? Solid state. Chips and computers. NO problem
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. More efficient than stupid evil mercury vapor (née ‘fluorescent’) lamps
The time of the mercury vapor lamp MUST now come to an end
Cause I say so! And you will NEVER win this argument with me!
You finally said something right.
I will never win an argument with you because your only strategy is to put your fingers in your ears and yell louder.
You won’t answer questions, you only throw insults and baseless accusations.
You aren’t interested in facts that don’t support your agenda, and you have no desire to engage in a rational discussion.
You made a wild claim and then when it was challenged, you refused to offer any facts to back it up, your only response was to attack the other person.
That tells me right there that you know that you were caught in a lie.
Maybe you should take your rants to the Democratic Underground. The Michael Moore crowd over there will surely welcome you, and they sure don’t care about facts.
No problem? Watch this short video in which an LED lamp for home use shows higher RF radiation than a CFL bulb. I watched your video, will you watch mine?
Sir you simply are shilling for these toxic harmful lamps. Whether you work for EPA directly or just want to prove that gee these lights aren’t really so bad I don’t know.
The bottom line is that these lamps must go and now
How h mercury gas is in an LED lamp? Huh?
Now about in incandescents ? Huh ?
These also do not have ballasts or create the potentisl for severe fire danger.
You are defending the indefensible and badly
In this fight you are either for toxic nasty crap the guvmint is forcing on us or you are against it
By obfuscating. Changing the subject insulting me repeatedly you have shown what you clearly are. A shill for GE. Phillips. And the EPA
Once again I have laid out clear facts and hopefully people with minds that are not closed will understand that we have a very serious and ongoing problem with these mercury lamps and
1. People need to be informed on this matter
Noone is even aware that these things are highly toxic
2 sensitive people of many types are harmed by these lamps.
There is no question about this. And other lamps do not harm people
There’s your facts- irrefutable.
You simply don’t like them. So you change the subject bring up irrelevant comparisons and the insult me
You are acting like a liberal. Like it or not
Gee, over emote much? Where are your sources from this crap you spew? A light bulb is a light bulb and mercury, gaseous or not, ain’t gonna hurt anybody for the five seconds it takes to dissipate in air.
Look up mercury toxicity and then get back to me
You know not of what you speak
Mercury is very heavy and acts as a saturated liquid at room temp
Ny has 17 pages of regulations on how to clean up broken lamps
The EPA itself has 5 pages and the first thing they say is all people and pets leave the room
Your response is typical and is buttressed by what your own guvmint has neglected to tell you.
Like I said look up mercury toxicity and exposure limits and then read the data I have provided.
Trust me I’ve already defeated whole forums of industry shills
The facts on these lamps are shocking scary and must change
If you don’t think so then you are free to poison yourself but not others
Ny has 17 pages of regulations on how to clean up broken lamps
The EPA itself has 5 pages and the first thing they say is all people and pets leave the room...And I believe ANYTHING the government (who is making and protecting their jobs into perpetuity)for what reason? I have worked with mercury (Gas and solids) for years and neither me, my workers and anybody else has had any ill effects, unless welding the shit. How many dentists have died SPECIFICALLY of the gas created from grinding down mercury fillings. Go back to sleep.
I’ve smashed thousands of them when we have re bulbed a building. I guess I’m already dead according to the government.
Sir . you are in the IH or equivalent FIELD
I know you are tough and think the government is weenies as I do - and that mercury is no big deal
Please do not downplay the significance or danger of Mercury (g)
It is inhalable and the Atsdr cites a max exposure of .0002 mg/ m3
Minimal Risk Levels (MRLs) for Hazardous Substances
Inh. Chr. 0.0002 mg/m3 30 Neurol. Final 03/1999 7439-97-6
The MAX exposure anyone should ever get is 0.1 mg/ m3 and with a 5 min exposure you would have to leave the site and not come back for min 24 hrs
“As mercury is a very volatile element, dangerous levels are readily attained in air. Mercury vapour should not exceed 0.1 mg m-3 in air. Air saturated with the vapour at 20°C contains mercury in a concentration far greater than that limit. The danger increases at higher temperatures. It is therefore important that mercury be handled with care. Containers of mercury should be securely covered and spillage should be avoided. Mercury should only be handled under in a well-ventilated area. If you are in possession of any mercury you are advised to contact a properly qualified chemist or public health laboratory for its safe disposal.”
these lamps have 5-50 milligrams of Hg(g) in them and
ONE FOUR FOOT T8 LAMP HAS ~ 164 MILLION times this concentration inside it
ONE CFL LAMP HAS ~ 165 BILLION times this concentration inside it
This is not a joke and is very serious , even if you DONT drop dead from it - it is VERY HARMFUL
And it is HEAVY entrains itself in anything and does NOT disperse as you assert it NEVER goes away
please reflect upon this since you are in the field and not DOWNPLAY this danger to people, especially children and pregnant women
I am surprised at the cavlier attitude by someone in the field of haz waster or IH
It is really too bad- you should be an ALLY in this fight with the EPA who is shoving this crap down everyones throat and warning NO ONE about it
And every time you trot that out ridiculous accusation of being a "purveyor of mercury" against anyone who isn't 100% in line with your beliefs, you damage your own credibility.
You've accused me of being a liberal. I have been on this site since 1998, you have been here a couple of months. Liberals don't last long here. Neither do trolls.
Why are you even here? You'd be more effective by starting a blog where you can advance your cause without having to deal with annoying people who challenge you on points of fact.
YOU are the one who raised the issue of RF emissions from CFL bulbs. YOU made the following statement:
They give off radio frequencies. They operate at 35000 hz. They destroy nearby electronics
Then YOU challenged me with this:
Plug in something expensive and sensitive to harmonics exit (sic) to one and see what happens. I dare you
That's simply a load of crap. If you are really a "power quality engineer" as you stated, you would know that.
What engineering degrees do you hold?
But why do I even bother asking, I don't think you've answered a single question I've asked in this entire discussion. I KNOW you won't answer that one.
The video you linked to suggested that the RF emissions from CFL bulbs is a health issue. If that's true, then virtually every other modern electronic device has that same issue, because they all emit RF energy. And the video I posted, which I'm sure you didn't watch, demonstrated that the particular LED bulb they used was worse than their sample CFL in this regard.
And now you're saying that the issue YOU raised is irrelevant.
You say the LEDs for home use don't have ballasts. In fact each one of them contains a miniature switching mode power supply that is needed to convert the 120 VAC 60 Hz to the low DC voltage that the individual LED devices require. They perform a function that is analogous to that of the electronic ballast in a CFL bulb.
Like those ballasts, these power supplies also produce RF emissions, and they also have the potential for catastrophic failure which in rare cases can result in fires.
Are you aware that there is increasing concern that the spectral characteristics of LED lighting is causing sleep disorders for a lot of people?
Are you aware that Philips and GE make and sell LED replacement bulbs? Maybe YOU are the one who is shilling for those companies.
Well, well, well, just caught you in another lie, Mr. Troll.
This site wasn’t in existence in 1995.
Now, since you say the proof is so easy, do it. Prove you were here in 1995.
I dare you.
By the way, and it’s a minor point, the standard incandescent bulb color temperature is approximately 2700K, not 3500K.
Just for fun, here’s another question that you will never be honest enough to answer.
You are obviously quite upset that Congress/Bush passed legislation which enabled the EPA to implement a move to high efficiency lighting. You feel that isn’t the role of the government, and that the marketplace should make that decision. Even though I’m a shill for the EPA, GE, Philips, and all the other “mercury purveyors”, I agree with you on that point.
Suppose tomorrow, the EPA handed down a regulation banning all mercury-containing lighting products.
Would you celebrate that, or would you decry even more government intervention in the marketplace?
A liberal would celebrate. A conservative would decry.
Which are you?
The phrase, "liar, liar, pants on fire" comes to mind.
Hummm ..that chart you posted .the bolding and underlining mine.
Minimal Risk Levels (MRLs) for Hazardous Substances
Thats right minimal not max exposure.
An MRL is an estimate of the daily human exposure to a hazardous substance that is likely to be without appreciable risk of adverse non-cancer health effects over a specified duration of exposure. These substance specific estimates, which are intended to serve as screening levels, are used by ATSDR health assessors and other responders to identify contaminants and potential health effects that may be of concern at hazardous waste sites. It is important to note that MRLs are not intended to define clean up or action levels for ATSDR or other Agencies.
ATSDR uses the no observed adverse effect level/uncertainty factor (NOAEL/UF) approach to derive MRLs for hazardous substances. They are set below levels that, based on current information, might cause adverse health effects in the people most sensitive to such substance-induced effects. MRLs are derived for acute (1 14 days), intermediate (>14 364 days), and chronic (365 days and longer) exposure durations, and for the oral and inhalation routes of exposure. Currently MRLs for the dermal route of exposure are not derived because ATSDR has not yet identified a method suitable for this route of exposure. MRLs are generally based on the most sensitive substance-induced end point considered to be of relevance to humans. ATSDR does not use serious health effects (such as irreparable damage to the liver or kidneys, or birth defects) as a basis for establishing MRLs. Exposure to a level above the MRL does not mean that adverse health effects will occur.
The section on Mercury shows Route = Inh. (Inhalation); Duration = Chr. (Chronic which according to the above = 365 days); MRL (minimal risk level) = 0.0002 mg/m3 (mg/M3= Milligram Per Cubic Meter).
That means you would have to be inhaling mercury vapor at a level of more than 0.0002 mg/m3 (at a concentration of that per cubic meter) over the course of 365 days in order to exceed the minimal risk levels.
This MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) shows an OHSA exposure limit in air for mercury vapor PEL (Permissible Exposure Level) of .5 mg/m3.
If you are, as you stated earlier, a chemical engineer (or is that a power quality engineer certified by Elspec (and yes I looked them up they manufacturer of electrical power quality analyzers, they are headquartered in Israel with offices in Illinois, Portugal and India, and they do not certify engineers ), I would think you would be able to read and understand a MRL and MSDS, no?
ONE FOUR FOOT T8 LAMP HAS ~ 164 MILLION times this concentration inside it .ONE CFL LAMP HAS ~ 165 BILLION times this concentration inside it
But on this thread its: In fact most folks dont know fluorescents contain about 100000000 times the concentration of mercury gas you should ever be exposed to
So which is it?
No. You are not only wrong but spectacularly wrong. Id like you to show the math or provide a reputable link for those statements. You are full of hysteria and falsehoods and I wont even get into the crap you never answered Fresh Wind about (florescent bulbs destroying electronics) and saying that youve been here at FR since 1995.
How much mercury is contained in a CFL?
Each bulb contains an average of 5 milligrams of mercury, which is just enough to cover a ballpoint pen tip, says Leslie, associate director of the Lighting Research Center at Rensselaer. Though its nothing to laugh at, unless you wipe up mercury [without gloves] and then lick your hand, youre probably going to be okay.
What is the proper way to handle a broken CFL?
Open the windows and let the room air out for 15 to 30 minutes, then remove as much material as possible without a vacuum cleaner. Using disposable gloves, scoop the glass onto a piece of cardboard and wipe the area with a wet paper towel. For smaller pieces of glass and powder, use duct tape to pull up the fragments and wash your hands after cleaning up the debris.
OMG! The horror! WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE! ELEVENTY! And
Thats right. You are exposed to much more mercury by eating fish than what you would be exposed to from a broken CFL bulb, assuming that you clean it up properly, which BTW, does not require a HAZMAT team, just a little common sense. You are also exposed to much more mercury vapor driving by a coal burning power plant (and you are not going to die from that either). For that matter there is much more mercury in amalgam dental fillings, glass thermometers, household thermostats, light switches and watch batteries than there is in a CLF bulb. And again the only mercury vapor exposure from a CLF bulb comes from breaking it.
And interestingly, while you are going apoplectic over alleged horrible dangers of CFL light bulbs, on this thread you are advising people to take colloidal silver. You can make it for fee and NEVER get sick again.
I think you are a troll. I think you are a liberal troll who recently signed up here to make ridiculous claims to see how many gullible people you can get to believe your crap in order to laugh at them. The bad grammar and misspellings and wildly inconsistent posting styles from post to post is a big tip off. Trust me Ive already defeated whole forums of industry shills
I smell ozone (a ZOT) in your very near future.
Sir (or ma’am)
Your long winded post is simply off base and irrelevant
More attempts to obscure the TRUTH which again for people who aren’t stupid or deliberately lying because of some commercial interest
#1. Fluorescent lamps are filled with mercury gas and will horribly poison you and permanently ruin wherever they are spilled with no odor
#2. These stupid awful crappy looking mercury vapor lamps. SERIOUSLY HARM sensitive people and just plain bug most folks so much that they turn them off and exist in whatever ambient light is available rather than Suffer under them
Plain and simple you can’t argue with these facts.
So argue minutia of mercury toxicity and post irrelevant nonsense but that ain’t gonna get ya a Nobel prize buddy
My advice to all Freepers
Get these damn things out of your house or shop immediately
Oh and by the way.
Colloidal silver does work and once again you are proving what lobs out here say about conservatives. Stuck in a dark age. Won’t listen
I think it’s funny as you are trying to backtrack and insult me simultaneously
I must have struck a nerve.
The bottom line is my name
TRUTH. Over POWER
The EPA folks and pge the utility here use the SAME DAMN arguments that you are trying to push
Well guess what ?
Prove me wrong in any way. Using standard statements that regular people can understand.
Is mercury GAS really not bad?
Stare at a CFL. Tell me that doesn’t hurt your eyes?
Do you really want to prove how smart and tough you are or do you care about people ?
Methinks the first statement
Anyhow thanks for your thoughtful responses although I defer with them I will not choose to insult you or call you names
That is for the Loser of arguments. Not the winner.
And you know I am the winner here
Warn Freepers on this crap
Warn Freepers on the negativity and awful nature of mercury lamps
You cannot undo or obfuscate the TRUTH. I will always come back
( when I’m finally off work ! Woo. Hoo !)
“Well, well, well, just caught you in another lie, Mr. Troll”.
“This site wasnt in existence in 1995.”
“Now, since you say the proof is so easy, do it. Prove you were here in 1995.”
“I dare you.”
You won’t get an answer to that because the post where he said it (#67) has been removed. He never said it, go ahead prove that he did. Of course you have me and others on this thread as witnesses.
Once a liar, always a liar.
Trying to have any sort of discussion with this troll is pretty much the same as trying to have a conversation with a television set.
It just doesn’t work.
You can ask your TV any number of questions, present any number of facts to it, praise it, insult it, tease it, yell at it, nothing happens. The TV just doesn’t listen to you.
The TV will simply go on talking, spewing whatever blather it thinks you should hear until you hit the switch.
And the TV will think that it was the winner.