Posted on 10/06/2013 9:19:08 AM PDT by MrChips
I have compiled a list, which some of you have seen, of Obamacare's violations to the Constitution. It is here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3075257/posts
I compiled that list with the help of various people and sources, but one of them, #4, states "The Federal government (HHS/IRS) having full access to your bank account against your will, to make sure that you are paying your Obamacare premiums, infringes upon your right to be secure in your person, papers, and effects, as do unreasonable searches into personal health insurance records."
Does it really have access to our bank accounts? Under what circumstances, if so?
They already do have access to your bank accounts, and they are only one of MANY agencies that do.
I’m not sure how much clearer it could be - you have no protections for anything. The government will do whatever the hell it wants, and it will shoot you if you get in the way.
We are there.
They have always had the ability to get what they want from your bank accounts. If you don’t pay your taxes, the IRS will take what they want from your accounts - count on it.
It happened to my sister and her husband while they were trying to settle an old IRS debt.
LOL! I’m kinda thinkin’ they have access regardless. Cash in the mattress anyone? Buried in the yard like in Vegas Vacation? (Best line: “This bread puddin’s exxxtra runny tonight.”)
” it will shoot you if you get in the way.”
And your little dog Toto too.
It is standard operating procedure for the IRS to seize your accounts and then “negotiate” with you.
Even if not, some of use are FORCED to “voluntarily” allow the IRS access to our bank accounts - failure to provide a W-9 to my bank will result in the bank closing my accounts.
A real big thanks to all of you who supported FATCA and essentially allowed an end run around my rights.
When I was a teenager ... that was about 50 years ago. I did not pay my taxes.
Eventually, they went to my bank band removed the money from my bank account.
The IRS has always had access to your bank account.
The only way the government does not have access to your bank accounts is if you don’t have bank accounts.
When I was a teenager ... that was about 50 years ago. I did not pay my taxes.
Eventually, they went to my bank and removed the money from my bank account.
The IRS has always had access to your bank account.
They can by the order of King Obama, our communists dictator. Executive orders to seize and transfer from your account. The King commands us from the desk. I have no doubt he can and will.
Oh. Wait a minute. I'll get right back to you. My cousin from Lake Mead is calling.
I work in a healthcare business. There was a dispute about payroll taxes owed. THE IRS deducted the disputed amount from Medicare payments owed to my company. They don’t operate under legal due process. You might think that they can’t take money from an account without a legal judgement, but you are mistaken if you thought that.
NO, the IRS always had a way to garnish your wages or work a forfeit - now I MUST sign a form that allows the IRS to know EVERYTHING my bank knows about me - that is quite different from having the IRS first obtain a warrant alleging some type of wrong doing ....
Another line fron the “Vacation” movies that seems a bit appropriate for the current Admistration and the Budget process.
“Merry Christmas!...Shi**er was full”
That’s why there’s so many currency exchanges
open up an account with bank of America, they allow illegals to open up one..
The IRS has access to your bank account if you have ever e-filed your return.
Wait until the EPA proclaims that euthanasia is required in certain circumstances to protect the environment. You think that might be absurd? We are going way beyond that, probably in my lifetime and I am not young.
Question.
Does IRS have access to pension plans and can it place a lien on or confiscate them?
If that’s the case,it might be a good idea to go to a self directed plan with bullion PMs. IRS is out of control and they will only get worse. If pension plans are to be confiscated, it might just be via the IRS under some bogus violation.
Maybe that didn’t apply in the 1960s. I can assure you that the letter from the bank saying that the IRS had removed funds was a complete surprise!
In a nutshell.
I only use a debit card and keep in that account just what I need for the usual bills...in other words, what I know I will need. All other cash is kept elsewhere. Stay under the radar as long and as much possible.
FMCDH(BITS)
“The only way the government does not have access to your bank accounts is if you don’t have bank accounts.”
Only your US bank accounts. There is a lesson there.
What about IRS access, liens, and confiscation of private pension plans?
No longer true.
The US will no longer allow a foreign bank to operate branches in the US or NAFTA nations unless they rat out US depositors and comply with US seizures.
Further, the US has offered to kidnap and prosecute foreign national bankers who travel outside their own countries.
But don't despair, this will backfire big time fairly soon.
I find it ironic that the people that support Øbamacare are some of the most vocal critics of No Such Agency violations of privacy, but think nothing of handing over all sorts of information, including their medical records to the government. They might as well open of their lives to the NSA and get over it.
The Repubs should use that paranoia of government privacy violations (a right concern for us all) against the libs that support Øbamacare, and hammer it home.
A winner!!
“No longer true.
ABSOLUTELY TRUE. You can and should establish a bank account OVERSEAS, in another legal jurisdiction that requires due process. Here, your money can be seized by fiat.
“The US will no longer allow a foreign bank to operate branches in the US or NAFTA nations unless they rat out US depositors and comply with US seizures.”
They cannot circumvent the legal process in another country. You especially do not want a bank that has any branch here. You must comply with FATCA and report your accounts. There are no secrets.
Make it hard. Keep your money in more than one legal jurisdiction outside the US. Your IRA. Your non-qualified brokerage account.
It makes it very difficult for attorneys also.
Don’t have a lot of trust in any banks. Problem is that if your receive SS or Gov Pension, they are auto-deposit and a hold can be put on all future deposits until you break. BTW, changing banks and thinking that you can just fill out paperwork to have those funds deposited to your new bank not only won’t work (for very long anyway), but you might be staring at a FRAUD charge.
Now, if you don’t have that situation of Auto-Deposit, you may want to consider the “Bank of PayPal”
Also, even in full compliance, expect your passport not to work if the IRS wants your money.
“Also, even in full compliance, expect your passport not to work if the IRS wants your money.”
One good reason to have more than one passport. There are many others.
They do already and have for sometime now.
According to how the law is written, the obamacare penalties cannot be paid through Lien and seizure, like a regular IRS tax debt. It can only be collected from tax owed you. That’s how it’s written any way. Someone posted that earlier and quoted the law.
Love your tag line, By the way, LOL!
The ACA law says the obamacare penalty cannot be seized, but they will send you letters and may withhold from a refund.
KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!
The thing is, is there anything in the law preventing them from paying your fines out of your payroll taxes first, and then raiding your account for taxes owed, kind of like the old bank overdraft scam where they would cash the largest check first to maximize fees.
Really? They just went in and took it? Did they inform you?
What about brokerage accounts at a Stock Broker like Wells Fargo or Fidelity or Merrill Lynch?
So, if you don’t get a refund, but owe them, instead, then the ACA does not empower them to come after you for the penalty portion, as I understand.
No, but I was young. Around 17.
I moved out on my own and mail may have gotten crossed. There was no one more surprised than I was.
If I was the “right thinking” person I am now, I would have made a point to find out how it happened but, at the time, I just figured the long arm of the law came out to tap me.
So you just went to the bank, the money was gone, and the bank told you who took it?
No, I had moved out. I had just signed up for college and got a realy cool art studio to live in Santa Monica.
I got home and the bank statement was there. When I looked, almost all my money was gone [I was not making much like most teens]. I got the phone and called the bank. They said that the IRS {I’m not sure if they ID’d the IRS specifically] ... but that I owed taxes and it was taken from my account.
Given the year, I doubt if it was more than $100 or a bit more ... that was a lot of money to me at the time.
My mom is an attorney [RIP] and I told her. She gave me a rant about how you have to pay the IRS.
This was the 60s around the time of the Sharon Tate murders.
I hope that this is no longer legal ... but I will swear on a Bible, this is what happened. Kids pretty much feel helpless. I just bemoaned my loss and went on. I never forgot the lesson: the IRS will get their money.
Doesn’t matter whether it was $100 or $5. They took it. Bastards!
That’s how it’s written. Non-compliance cannot be a criminal offense, (unlike regular tax evasion) and no property (or cash) seizure is lawful. (I believe this was put in in the hopes of getting republican votes)
Do you know where in the bill it is written? We need to make sure it stays that way!
I don’t know where in the massive bill it says it, but here is a link from a prestigious law firm that is a guide to the law:
http://www.jonesday.com/affordable_care_act/
Look at the last paragraph under individual mandate.
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