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Obamacare- A Loophole?
Oct. 6, 2013 | Duke C.

Posted on 10/06/2013 5:45:54 PM PDT by Duke C.

Obamacare- What happens if I don't pay the penalty?


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I've been perusing the options at healthcare.gov and ran across this interesting factoid:




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https://www.healthcare.gov/exemptions/#question=what-happens-if-i-dont-pay-the-penalty

That's right. Your real property won't be liened, you won't lose your driver's license and you won't go to jail.

All that needs to be done is to adjust your W-4 exemptions so that your withholding matches your tax liability as close as possible. Won't take long for the "millennials" to figure this out.

Post script- I'm not enrolling and I'm not paying the penalty. F*** 'em.

1 posted on 10/06/2013 5:45:54 PM PDT by Duke C.
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To: Duke C.

Now it’s a fee? I thought the court ruled it a tax.


2 posted on 10/06/2013 5:49:12 PM PDT by map
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To: Duke C.
Your real property won't be liened, you won't lose your driver's license

I'm still waiting for "Will Sheehan" to post the email he claims he got from the govt threatening this.

3 posted on 10/06/2013 5:49:53 PM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: Duke C.

The “shared responsibility payment”? how ghey.


4 posted on 10/06/2013 5:50:51 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: Duke C.

“Uncle Sam will get his.”


5 posted on 10/06/2013 5:52:28 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Duke C.

Obamacare- A Loophole?

No.

Obama- An asshole.


6 posted on 10/06/2013 5:57:28 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: Duke C.
I am not enrolling in Obamacare either.
Any Obamacare-related mail is going to the shredder.
Any Obamcare phone callers will get hung up on.
I am not paying the penalty.
For routine checkups, I will pay in cash.
For serious illnesses, I will make payment arrangements or seek private charity.

Do not comply with Obamacare.

7 posted on 10/06/2013 5:58:12 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: Duke C.

When people increase their deductions there will be a huge drop in the amount of taxes being sent to DC every quarter. That’s going to hit them hard. Then watch for a new IRS rule that you can only claim your actual deductions.

Then again, they can’t have been that stupid. The 30 hour rule. The 50 employees rule. The penalty with no means of enforcement. This is more than likely nothing more than a way to destroy this economy. And thus destroy the country.


8 posted on 10/06/2013 5:58:57 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Duke C.

The death panel will come for you.


9 posted on 10/06/2013 6:00:00 PM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: Duke C.

> All that needs to be done is to adjust your W-4 exemptions so that your withholding matches your tax liability as close as possible. Won’t take long for the “millennials” to figure this out.

They will just take away your exemptions. First they’ll take away your church tithing donation exemptions unless you’re Muslim and donate to a mosque. Then they’ll wok on the others. Golfing equipment will be deemed as tools of the trade and exempt of course.


10 posted on 10/06/2013 6:00:46 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Duke C.

I see this as a little unclear.

Many ‘targeted’ by this get EIC. Will their EIC be reduced by the penalty?


11 posted on 10/06/2013 6:04:06 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Duke C.

Every channel on your cable will only carry Michelle lecturing about eating healthy.


12 posted on 10/06/2013 6:04:19 PM PDT by almcbean
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To: Duke C.

This has been talked about on FR, but not as much as it should be.

The tax is very difficult to collect as there is really no penalty for not doing so, and no means to force payment other than grabbing any refund that may be owed.

It was designed to be difficult to enforce. Once people figure out the ins and outs, the insurance companies will either hike premiums to the stratosphere or go BK or both which is probably the underlying objective.


13 posted on 10/06/2013 6:04:57 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: nascarnation; All

i’m waiting for the first person who gets charged for not participating obamacare and/or having health insurance to file a discrimination lawsuit against the imperial president considering how his cronies received waivers while the rest of us serfs must submit...

that’s what i would do- if they come knocking at your door scream DISCRIMINATION!!!


14 posted on 10/06/2013 6:06:22 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: map

>>Now it’s a fee? I thought the court ruled it a tax.<<

You may have something there!


15 posted on 10/06/2013 6:06:28 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: map

Legislative Free Association....mmmmkay.


16 posted on 10/06/2013 6:06:41 PM PDT by Shady (It is called LIBERTY...Freedom linked to Responsibility. Any questions?)
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To: Duke C.

When faced with an uncompromising, lawless dictator, defiance and ridicule are the only options. Since the ACA is presently unfunded, also void as unconstitutional, it seems best to withhold any particular course of action at this time.


17 posted on 10/06/2013 6:07:20 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Duke C.

btw- if you are afraid they may withhold the penalty from tax refunds, just raise the amount of deductions in your pay check and pay less taxes throughout the year...


18 posted on 10/06/2013 6:07:36 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Duke C.
Your real property won't be liened, you won't lose your driver's license and you won't go to jail.

Yet.

Tyrants will stop at NOTHING.

19 posted on 10/06/2013 6:07:57 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Duke C.

not yet...

just make sure you are not due a refund though


20 posted on 10/06/2013 6:08:38 PM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: almcbean

No...drinking water as that will all you can afford.


21 posted on 10/06/2013 6:08:56 PM PDT by Shady (It is called LIBERTY...Freedom linked to Responsibility. Any questions?)
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To: Duke C.

If you work your taxes to where you get no refund, the fines just keep adding up, year after year, plus interest (3%). After a few years, you’re talking real money. Plus, you know they’ll tweak the law. Eventually they WILL get your money.


22 posted on 10/06/2013 6:09:17 PM PDT by Sporke
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To: Duke C.; All
I am a FINRA licensed Registered Rep.
I am a CFP
I am a Health Insurance Agent
I am certified to sell Medicare Advantage
I am certified to sell Part D
I am certified to sell Obamacare (Which, by the way, is run from a CMS/MEDICARE Website and Database, at least all of the training and certification is!)

I can not get anyone to answer a simple question:

“Are the Obamacare “penalties” on a year by year basis? If you do not pay for 5 years, will they be able to garnish 5 year’s worth of penalty when you do get a refund? Does every year stand on its own?” Yes, actually, this is all part of the same question.

23 posted on 10/06/2013 6:09:22 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Duke C.

People below a certain income may not pay or file a 1040 or equivalent. How does the IRS get them?


24 posted on 10/06/2013 6:11:51 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Duke C.

I figured it would “di di mau, di di mau” with one round in the chamber.


25 posted on 10/06/2013 6:12:18 PM PDT by Oratam (Thank you St. Jude!)
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To: Duke C.

Caution: A knowledgeable FReeper pointed out the other day that although the penalty in itself will not lead to liens or seizures, if you owe the IRS other monies and the IRS takes action against those funds that the total sum including the penalty likely will be involved in the action.


26 posted on 10/06/2013 6:12:28 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Proud2BeRight

They won’t owe the penalty in the first place.


27 posted on 10/06/2013 6:14:31 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86
In the Part D markets, the “penalty” goes away if you get any “extra help” with your Medicare from the State or the Feds. It is called, now, the “Medicare Savings Plan” and includes “MLB” and other programs that help with the Part B and Part D Premiums as well as the co-pays at the Pharmacy.

I know people who have qualified for public assistance JUST to get out of the Part D penalty.

If the IRS bankrupts someone over the penalty, and that person gets any form of public assistance thereafter, from the State, the penalty will go away.

Of course, at that point? They have forced you to “surrender” in many ways.

28 posted on 10/06/2013 6:16:28 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Duke C.

Don’t forget the other loophole, Christian healthcare co-ops. I haven’t figured out which one I’m joining yet, but that option avoids both the exchanges and the IRS penalty-tax. Not saying its a perfect solution for everyone, but it is a legal alternative that might appeal to Christians with incomes too high for subsidies and too low for the new, outrageously high premiums. Like me.


29 posted on 10/06/2013 6:17:11 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: VerySadAmerican

I think they just want to destroy the insurance companies so we are all stuck with healthinsurance.gov.


30 posted on 10/06/2013 6:17:54 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Duke C.

Yup. Make sure you don’t get a tax refund and they have nothing to take the fee from.

But can they ADD the fee on to any taxes owed if you under withold ??


31 posted on 10/06/2013 6:20:47 PM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: map
Now it’s a fee? I thought the court ruled it a tax.

The court ruled it would be constitutional if it was a tax, but not if it's a fee. If it's a tax, then I don't think they can arbitrarily decide who does or doesn't have to pay it, or delay implementing it.

They're wanting to claim it's a tax to get it to pass constitutional muster, and then administer it like it's a fee once it's in effect.

This is going to get messy.

32 posted on 10/06/2013 6:22:19 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: almcbean

That ... is a true twilight zone nightmare.


33 posted on 10/06/2013 6:22:33 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: RKBA Democrat
You have to wait a month or two before a payment will be required. Don't worry, when we are hooked the price will appear.
34 posted on 10/06/2013 6:27:30 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Springfield Reformer

I am exempt from zero-care since I am a member of a healthcare sharing ministry. It’s not insurance so it may not be for everyone but so far it’s been ok for us.


35 posted on 10/06/2013 6:28:13 PM PDT by fulltlt
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To: map
It's a Fee-Penalty-Tax-Fine-Levy-Assessment-Punishment-Retribution-Bill of Attainder.

Due to the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1980 each agency and each dept. therein is required to choose just one word to reference it.

36 posted on 10/06/2013 6:31:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Aria

My thoughts are that the Dems want to run Hillary in 2016 and she will say “Vote for me and I will make sure you have single payer and not so high premiums.” By then, the people will be ready to vote in anyone who an straighten out the mess and they will remember the good times when Bill was in charge. This issue will be number 1 by then and many of the poor will have defaulted on their payments. I fully believe that there are enough low info voters to vote her into office.


37 posted on 10/06/2013 6:31:23 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: fulltlt

Cool. Which one did you join (if I may ask), and why did you choose it? I ask because I am still trying to decide.


38 posted on 10/06/2013 6:41:35 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Duke C.

yup.. the moment they start garnishing wages... is the moment the shivs come out

that’s when the real fun will begin

time to buy some popcorn stock


39 posted on 10/06/2013 6:42:26 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Sporke

I had read here a couple weeks back, that the IRS will have the power to seize assets from your bank account, or garnish wages as they see fit.

Someone will know the article, I’ve had a few too many Single Malt Scotches to bother looking this stuff up.


40 posted on 10/06/2013 6:45:23 PM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
For routine checkups, I will pay in cash. For serious illnesses, I will make payment arrangements or seek private charity.

God bless you. This is such a bleeping nightmare.

Check out the Healthcare.gov Facebook page. Comments are running 100-1 against. I'm hopeful about the shutdown.

41 posted on 10/06/2013 6:46:47 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Duke C.

I think someone should sue them and force them to go through every printed or on-line reference and change every occurrence of “fee or penalty” to “tax” before they can continue to operate. If this was perpetuated by a commercial company, I can guarantee the FTC would be so far down their throats that they would be seeing light through the butt hole.


42 posted on 10/06/2013 6:50:36 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (A civilian forece funded and equal to the military ... Obama/DHS & Hitler/Gestapo & Stalin/KGB)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
For serious illnesses, I will make payment arrangements or seek private charity.

Making arrangements that include offshore treatment will be the cheaper option and of better quality than what is in prospect inside the US. The best of English and more and more of the Canadian is practiced in places like India and Thailand. Many good American doctors will set up shop in the Caribbean where a number of small countries have changed their tax laws to attract them. Combine that surgery with a stay in a nice hotel in the Caribbean sun with a cheaper overall price. International medical insurance is already available and will proliferate for the younger set.

43 posted on 10/06/2013 6:58:35 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

and a lot of those who are commenting in favor of it are pid shills


44 posted on 10/06/2013 6:58:44 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Duke C.

The IRS confiscates it


45 posted on 10/06/2013 6:59:54 PM PDT by Figment
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To: mkmensinger

Involuntary “euthanasia” is the logical and probably inevitable extension of obamacare. NSA files will be influential in that.


46 posted on 10/06/2013 7:00:09 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: All

They will close loopholes faster than you can close your (open for confiscation) bank account. Bank on it. Period.


47 posted on 10/06/2013 7:00:32 PM PDT by CygnusXI (Im back!)
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To: map

” I thought the court ruled it a tax.”

They did indeed


48 posted on 10/06/2013 7:02:11 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Duke C.
Freep this poll:


49 posted on 10/06/2013 7:16:47 PM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I am afraid you are right. :-(

Hillary is a monster at least equal to zero.


50 posted on 10/06/2013 7:24:02 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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