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US ranks bottom in numeracy skills, Britain among worst three in youth literacy skills, study finds
The Standard ^ | Oct 8, 2013

Posted on 10/08/2013 6:32:12 AM PDT by Kip Russell

The United States is at the bottom of the heap in numeracy skills of youths among all countries of the 22-nation OECD grouping, while Britain is among the bottom three in literacy skills among 16-24 year-olds, a survey has found. In a survey on adult skills, the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development evaluated skills in 22 OECD member states as well as Russia and Cyprus. The study involved tests on 166,000 people aged between 16 and 65 years.

In literacy skills of 55-65 year-olds, Britain ranks among the three highest-performing countries. In numeracy, the US is about average when comparing the proficiency of 55-65 year-olds. The OECD defined literacy “as the ability to understand, evaluate, use and engage with written texts to participate in society, achieve one’s goals, and develop one’s knowledge and potential.

Literacy encompasses a range of skills from the decoding of written words and sentences to the comprehension, interpretation, and evaluation of complex texts.’’ It defined numeracy “as the ability to access, use, interpret and communicate mathematical information and ideas in order to engage in and manage the mathematical demands of a range of situations in adult life. Numeracy involves managing a situation or solving a problem in a real context, by responding to mathematical content and concepts represented in multiple ways.’’ Japanese adults topped the ranks in numeracy and literacy skills.

The report said Japanese aged between 25 and 34 who had only finished secondary education were better in writing skills than university graduates in the same age bracket in Spain and in Italy. The results were similar for numeracy.


TOPICS: Education
KEYWORDS: education; schools

1 posted on 10/08/2013 6:32:12 AM PDT by Kip Russell
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To: Kip Russell

Sad that the birthplace of our language can no longer impart it to their young.


2 posted on 10/08/2013 6:33:27 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kip Russell

my apology ... don’t believe this article. Too much known to believe.


3 posted on 10/08/2013 6:36:11 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Kip Russell

Huh, after reading the headline, one would think something is severely wrong with the way we teach. I know, let’s spend 70,000 per student, teach more postmodernist humanism, and we’ll turn this thing around.


4 posted on 10/08/2013 6:36:57 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Kip Russell

Smelling Ruse ... so I’ll be quiet.


5 posted on 10/08/2013 6:37:33 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Kip Russell

USA people become dumber and dumber, a decades long trend.


6 posted on 10/08/2013 6:39:08 AM PDT by wrencher
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To: Kip Russell
In 2010, Barack Obama called for fixing the public education system by giving us the Elementary and Secondary Education Act and “Race to the Top,”

which he said would fix the education system already fixed by the 2001 GW Bush and Ted Kennedy legislation called “No Child Left Behind,”

which was supposed to fix a system supposedly already fixed by a 1994 piece of federal legislation called “Goals 2000,”

which was supposed to fix a system already fixed by “America 2000,”

which was a 1991 response during the Bush administration to a 1983 federal report on education called “A Nation at Risk,

which was published a full four years after Jimmy Carter first fixed the nation’s public school system by establishing a cabinet-level Department of Education in 1979.

7 posted on 10/08/2013 6:39:34 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Kip Russell

But American kids have very high self-esteem about their mathematics skills, and that’s what is really important.

Who really needs to know how to solve a quadratic equation anyway? Or, even make change, since the cash registers do that automatically?


8 posted on 10/08/2013 6:39:34 AM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: Kip Russell

“Britain is among the bottom three in literacy skills”

John Milton
TS Elliot
Lewis Carrol
Charles Dickens
JRR Tolkien
CS Lewis
William Shakespeare
Oscar Wilde
George Orwell
Jane Austen
Agatha Christie
Rudyard Kipling
William Blake
Virginia Wolfe

The list in infinite. Civilization is fragile.


9 posted on 10/08/2013 6:43:57 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Maceman

He meant a particular Race, meaning skin color, would be at the top.


10 posted on 10/08/2013 6:45:23 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Kip Russell
Waiting for an explanation and remedy from the government and education establishment that DOES NOT INCLUDE throwing more money at the same bureaucracy and unions that have done so well in the past!

Do I need a '/s' here?

11 posted on 10/08/2013 6:49:11 AM PDT by SES1066 (To expect courteous government is insanity!)
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To: Maceman
... Jimmy Carter first fixed the nation’s public school system by establishing a cabinet-level Department of Education in 1979.

A news article of the time that I REALLY wish I had saved was the comment from that creation. The Education Department came from the separation of the old Eisenhower 1953 Department of Health, Education and Welfare, yet, at the time of the separation, the Secretary of the surviving portion, Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) proudly announced that the overall budget would remain the same.

Of course right now, I'd like them to only be spending what they were spending then. FAT CHANCE!

12 posted on 10/08/2013 7:00:00 AM PDT by SES1066 (To expect courteous government is insanity!)
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To: Kip Russell
The interest of Western youth has changed. Once they wanted to engineer, to be chemists, physicists, manufacturers, construct buildings to be "something." They wanted a family. Today it is be a musician -"The Music"-I once heard one(a male)youth scream at the top of his lungs "They can't take away 'The Music!'". It was in the middle of the night and he was stripped to the waste.

The tremendously serious value expression by today's youth continues: Batman, computer games, "Spidey," eating, drinking, drugging, copulating, evacuating the bowels and snoring. The life of a beast.

The Third World is coming to transfer the father's wealth to them and enslave today's little music makers and cartoon watchers..

13 posted on 10/08/2013 7:01:36 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Maceman

And now, finally, after three decades of federal involvement in education, Americans are so dumb that they believe that ObamaCare will improve the health care of Americans.

Not only are they ranking at the bottom in mathematics, they are so historically and civically illiterate and unthinking that they not only elected, but re-elected Barack Obama, a Fabian-style socialist with strong influences from Marx and the Frankfurt School, as president.

Mission Accomplished!


14 posted on 10/08/2013 7:03:15 AM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: Kip Russell
The United States is at the bottom of the heap in numeracy skills of youths among all countries of the 22-nation OECD grouping

But they have good self-esteem, and know everything about Martin Luther King, Jr.

15 posted on 10/08/2013 7:04:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kip Russell

I don’t know how well literacy scores can be compared between languages, but it doesn’t surprise my that the US is down there in numeracy.


16 posted on 10/08/2013 7:06:55 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Kip Russell

More $$$ to Teachers (Unions)!!! NOW!!!!


17 posted on 10/08/2013 7:07:19 AM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: wrencher

Both dumber and less competently taught—not a good combination.


18 posted on 10/08/2013 7:07:32 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: demshateGod

Britain has always had a significant intellectual divide between its top and its sizable bottom.


19 posted on 10/08/2013 7:08:24 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: no-to-illegals

What don’t you believe about the article?


20 posted on 10/08/2013 7:08:49 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Kip Russell

1. Teaching Math In 1950s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?

2. Teaching Math In 1960s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

3. Teaching Math In 1970s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?

4. Teaching Math In 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

5. Teaching Math In 1990s
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living?
Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers, and if you feel like crying, it’s ok. )

6. Teaching Math In 2009
Un hachero vende una carretada de maderapara $100. El costo de la producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho?

7. Teaching Math In 2013
Who cares, just steal the lumber from your rich neighbor’s property. He won’t have a gun to stop you, and the President says it’s OK anyway cuz it’s redistributing the wealth.


21 posted on 10/08/2013 7:10:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 9YearLurker

Mathematics ... will give them an ‘E’ for effort on the article though.


22 posted on 10/08/2013 7:13:14 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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Maybe David Allen Coe said it best in The Ride.


23 posted on 10/08/2013 7:15:36 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: dfwgator

I think most people only know snippets from the life of MLK. A real poser for most would be to ask who MLK was named after and what was his significance in history.


24 posted on 10/08/2013 7:16:52 AM PDT by xp38
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To: 9YearLurker

Garn!


25 posted on 10/08/2013 7:17:32 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: xp38

Not based on the homework my kids had when they were in Elementary School, it seemed like every week they had some assignment related to MLK.


26 posted on 10/08/2013 7:17:47 AM PDT by dfwgator
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or to be better in tune ... will give Mr. Daniels credit ... This Ain’t No Rag, It’s A Flag!


27 posted on 10/08/2013 7:28:45 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: 9YearLurker

Yes, taught from Affirmative Action promoted staff, who are dumber and dumber themselves. Culminating in the govt. we now have, led by a AAA non-achiever who was given a pass at every step due to EEO. Many Americans deserve every bit of misery coming their way.


28 posted on 10/08/2013 7:32:23 AM PDT by wrencher
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To: Kip Russell

Cursive killed the Youtube star.


29 posted on 10/08/2013 7:36:03 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Maceman

No goobermint program is ever a failure-it’s just “underfunded”.


30 posted on 10/08/2013 7:37:07 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Skepolitic
Note that the higher performing nations tend to be historically more socialistic than the U.S.: the Scandinavian countries and the continental Germanic countries. Several of these nations had been under Communist dictatorships for 40-50 years, such as Estonia and the Czech Republic. Also, religious beliefs in these higher performing countries have been weaker than in our nation.

Note that the Latin and Mediterranean nations surveyed were near or at the bottom in both literacy and numeracy skills. Polish, British, and Irish performance is also mostly below average, though not as low as the Latin/Med countries. (Poland is somewhat surprising, as it is in the midst of higher performing Northern and Central European countries.) The impact of nonwhite immigrants or natives is uncertain, although Sweden and Germany, two countries with large immigrant populations, perform well, while Britain, France, and the U.S., in simiar situations, do not.

If I were to guess, the main deviation between countries is the absence of internalized self-control and self-discipline. Americans and Britons have more succumbed to hedonism than other countries, turning against a long history of the Protestant ethic (though Catholics and Jews practiced this ethic as well). The Latin and Med nations have historically had something of a "manana" attitude toward life.

31 posted on 10/08/2013 7:37:46 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: dfwgator

LMAO!!


32 posted on 10/08/2013 7:54:48 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: no-to-illegals

Which OECD countries do you expect the US to score higher than, and why do you expect that?


33 posted on 10/08/2013 7:56:27 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Wallace T.

So you’re a nurture versus nature guy?


34 posted on 10/08/2013 7:57:27 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Wallace T.
Polish, British, and Irish performance is also mostly below average, though not as low as the Latin/Med countries. (Poland is somewhat surprising, as it is in the midst of higher performing Northern and Central European countries.)

One reason I tend to think this study is somewhat bogus.

35 posted on 10/08/2013 7:58:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 9YearLurker

will simply say, please come back and talk to me when you find one Nation better adapted and more advanced than ours, in all arenas, please. Last word is yours. Am proud of our Nation and this Nation’s People. We are not perfect but I’ll take our perfection, anytime, over any other nation.


36 posted on 10/08/2013 8:02:36 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Kip Russell

In 1955, Rudolf Flesch published “Why Johnny Can’t Read,” followed in 1980 by “Why Johnny Still Can’t Read.” Both books were accurate pictures of the dumbing down phenomena, - - hotly denied by an embarrassed educational system. Now the question isn’t whether our population is illiterate, but how long can our civilization survive.


37 posted on 10/08/2013 8:17:18 AM PDT by Liberty Wins ( The average lefty is synapse challenged)
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To: dfwgator
and know everything about Martin Luther King, Jr.

Not really....
38 posted on 10/08/2013 8:24:27 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Kip Russell
The United States is at the bottom of the heap in numeracy skills

When our leaders don't understand that 1 tax dollar + 1 tax dollar doesn't = a zillion dollars sent to our enemies, then how can we expect our children to know more.

39 posted on 10/08/2013 8:37:32 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Kip Russell

How I long for the days of the ‘Three R’s’.


40 posted on 10/08/2013 8:40:22 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: no-to-illegals

I’d say the US leadership is based, intellectually, on an unfortunately small share of our population. We’ve been growing the lower-IQ and lower-attainment segments of our population faster than those toward the top, so it would be reasonable IMO that we’d be sliding down the scales compared to other developed countries.


41 posted on 10/08/2013 8:41:24 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Opinion are always Great (imho).


42 posted on 10/08/2013 8:42:42 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: 9YearLurker

btw ... found that nation ahead of U.S. yet?


43 posted on 10/08/2013 8:43:42 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: 98ZJ USMC

Well at least they know a lot of “facts”, of course whether they are true or not is a whole other question.


44 posted on 10/08/2013 8:48:01 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: no-to-illegals

Again, your question does not address what this study measures. Apparently you dismiss data in studies and presented as a basis for my opinion—so I guess it is no surprise that a lack of data doesn’t impact your opinions.


45 posted on 10/08/2013 8:49:09 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Generally, yes, though I don’t entirely rule out the effect of genetics.


46 posted on 10/08/2013 9:05:15 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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