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Scientists wake up to meteor threat ancient Greeks knew about 2500 years ago
examiner.com ^ | October 8, 2013

Posted on 10/08/2013 7:50:36 PM PDT by BenLurkin

60 Minutes news program ran a segment entitled "Dangerous game of 'cosmic roulette'?" This segment highlighted the NASA program aimed at finding and tracking asteroids whose orbits cross Earth's thus placing them on a collision course with us. The NASA administrators at first bragged about how they knew with confidence about 95% of all the "major" threats to our planet and were currently tracking these threats. These administrators were clearly trying to convey to the public an attitude of "don't worry, we have it all under control."

Yet as with most statements by government bureaucrats the devil is in the details. The "major" threats were defined as asteroids large enough to destroy all life on Earth. Thus asteroids large enough to merely wipe out a continent and destroy "life as we know it" were simply not being tracked yet. And asteroids large enough to wipe out a major metropolitan area were also not being tracked. And meteors the size of the one that blew up over Russia earlier this year were also not being tracked. And when confronted on these facts the NASA administrators were forced to concede the point that we could get hit tomorrow by a devastating asteroid without any warning whatsoever.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: asteroid; asteroids; ele; extinctionlevelevent; nasa
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1 posted on 10/08/2013 7:50:36 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: SunkenCiv

“There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes.

“There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Phaethon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father’s chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt. Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth, which recurs after long intervals;...

“Whereas just when you and other nations are beginning to be provided with letters and the other requisites of civilized life, after the usual interval, the stream from heaven, like a pestilence, comes pouring down, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and so you have to begin all over again like children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient times...”

Plato


2 posted on 10/08/2013 7:52:34 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

The Earth orbits the Sun. The Sun orbits the galactic center which takes about 250 million years. Ever wonder what the Earth encounters during that time? I doubt NASA does either.

For extra credit, how does that affect climate?


3 posted on 10/08/2013 7:56:53 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: BenLurkin

Wow, great quote. I’d never read it before. It’s interesting how both the devil and liberals long to destroy history and the knowledge of it or maybe it’s not interesting, but expected.


4 posted on 10/08/2013 7:57:51 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: BenLurkin

What book was this in?


5 posted on 10/08/2013 8:00:21 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: SunkenCiv; cogitator; BenLurkin; neverdem; 1010RD; MHGinTN

I will remind all gentle readers that, once the Ark had landed back on solid ground, the Lord did promise Noah that He would never again destroy the world by water.

Didn’t say a thing about fire. 8<)


6 posted on 10/08/2013 8:03:24 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: BenLurkin
“Whereas just when you and other nations are beginning to be provided with letters and the other requisites of civilized life, after the usual interval, the stream from heaven, like a pestilence, comes pouring down, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education;

Sounds like he understood that cities suffer the brunt of cataclysm. I interpret it as meaning those with little to begin with tend to be survivors.

However there is a lot of common knowledge these days that isn't easily lost. Even a lowly high school dropout like myself can give a fair explanation of lift and even demonstrate how it works.
7 posted on 10/08/2013 8:07:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 1010RD

Pol Pot went on an extermination spree of the educated people.


8 posted on 10/08/2013 8:08:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Fungi

I got it from the article at the link.


9 posted on 10/08/2013 8:09:13 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
Like Phoenix rising from the ashes (all stories have a message), even if the end of 'life' on Earth comes, it will start over.

It's already happened at least six times, as a conservative estimate.

10 posted on 10/08/2013 8:09:51 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: cripplecreek

Indeed. The duck dynasty survives. The kardashians...not so much.


11 posted on 10/08/2013 8:10:23 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

What would happen to Earth if a fairly large meteor hit the Moon ?


12 posted on 10/08/2013 8:12:31 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Fungi

http://www.edgarcayce.org/_AncientMysteriesTemp/platosstory.html


13 posted on 10/08/2013 8:13:15 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: UCANSEE2

It depends on the size and rate of the meteor. Quite possibly one hell of a high tide.


14 posted on 10/08/2013 8:18:57 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Or no more tide...


15 posted on 10/08/2013 8:22:23 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (Up yours NSA !)
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To: Dogbert41

We could get pelted with ejecta, too.


16 posted on 10/08/2013 8:27:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: BenLurkin

Also left out in this is if they know about an asteroid, what can they do about it? Nothing.


17 posted on 10/08/2013 8:28:02 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Dogbert41

True. Pretty much not a whole lot of not good.


18 posted on 10/08/2013 8:28:58 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Vince Ferrer

Bruce. Willis.


19 posted on 10/08/2013 8:29:38 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: BenLurkin

Didn’t mention this one, probably politically incorrect:

Genesis 19:4 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;

25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

27 And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the Lord:

28 And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.

29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.


20 posted on 10/08/2013 8:33:01 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: EEGator
Bruce. Willis.

Oh, well of course. But I meant, what can NASA do about it?

21 posted on 10/08/2013 8:33:07 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: BenLurkin

Homer had the listed cities [including the City of Pigeons?]that contributed troops and ships to the Trojan War arranged as the points of a Maltese Cross which could only be seen from space. How did he know that? Some of the cities` remains have been discovered right where Homer said they were via satellite photos...hmmmmm


22 posted on 10/08/2013 8:38:14 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ((("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.)))
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To: UCANSEE2

We would be in Thundarr the Barbarian times.


23 posted on 10/08/2013 8:41:16 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: BenLurkin

Am I the only one who thought (and still thinks) that the meteor over Russia was actually part of or might have been totally in fact that asteroid that was set to make it’s closest approach to Earth ever that day?


24 posted on 10/08/2013 8:44:42 PM PDT by djf (Global warming is turning out to be a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: gusopol3

lethal lake natron calcifies animals into stone-like corpses

http://www.designboom.com/art/lethal-lake-natron-in-tanzania-turns-animals-into-stone-10-03-2013/


25 posted on 10/08/2013 8:46:59 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ((("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.)))
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To: Irenic
Please forgive me—not good enough. Plato wrote a lot, please give the reference
26 posted on 10/08/2013 8:53:59 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: BenLurkin

Signs Plato though the Earth had technology countless times, only to be dust upon dust and forever lost. Makes sense. One would have to surmise, we have been here or similar to here before; countless times.


27 posted on 10/08/2013 8:58:21 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: djf

My vote is part of but do not know for certain. There are many masses of objects which do have some gravitational forces acting upon each of those objects traveling close or rather closely together. My vote is part of but still not certain. Even today scientists have difficulty describing gravity and gravitation forces in relation to space and time. Einstein may have come the closest to understanding the relationship of gravity to time and space but is still an unknown (imho), and to tell you the truth ... I’m the dumbest rock in the box.


28 posted on 10/08/2013 9:05:14 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals
That's what I was thinking, part of it... these things are known to break apart in orbit, but they still have basically the same trajectory, and even small gravitational forces between them can keep them together for who knows? hundreds of millions of miles, staying together for dozens of orbits, until a close encounter with a planet manages to separate them.

Anyways, it was pretty spectacular!

And it was a small!! space rock!
29 posted on 10/08/2013 9:10:17 PM PDT by djf (Global warming is turning out to be a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: djf

Have been reading reports of many brilliant observed fly ins lately. One in NY State, another out West (if am recalling correctly) Colorado and have been others have forgotten, am certain. Certainly is a lot of rock floating around out there. Am remembering something from last year regarding two objects (quite large) headed in from the southern area of sky. Have not been back to check on those objects and that report may have been a hoax. When they come in though, am agreed they are spectacular! Remember one coming in when was about nine years old and living on the East Coast. Lit up the outside as if it was day. WoW! What a rush! Was near nine p.m. but the light was, as you said spectacular from the object passing in the sky.


30 posted on 10/08/2013 9:25:12 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Fungi

I don’t know, I’m trying to discover that myself. I’ve never read Plato but after a taste— I want more.

I think I’m going to start here:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1442181168/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=16118884049&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=s&hvrand=4623650881185634743&hvpone=8.50&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_2k3hywpj9c_b


31 posted on 10/08/2013 9:26:16 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: BenLurkin

These administrators were clearly trying to convey to the public an attitude of “don’t worry, we have it all under control.”


Of course they were. It’s like how they give those “in-flight safety” speeches every time you fly on an airplane. They say you can use your seat cushion in the event of a “water landing”, but there has never been a “water landing” of a jumbo jet where anyone survived to worry about drowning. It’s more to keep you from worrying than anything else.

An asteroid hitting Earth is a threat that, most likely, nobody is going to be able to predict, much less do anything about. So the best they can do is pretend like they have a plan, so we won’t worry about something out of our control.


32 posted on 10/08/2013 9:30:48 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: meatloaf

We’re thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go ‘round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk


33 posted on 10/08/2013 9:32:26 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: no-to-illegals

We have ISON incoming. There is a possibility it is not just a single object, but could be a cloud of stuff. No doubt it’s close approach to the sun will manage to bust a few pieces lose...

And I have been trying to find orbital Java diagrams, as best as I can determine, Earth will pass DIRECTLY through it’s outgoing debris field in January.

Happy New Year!!


34 posted on 10/08/2013 9:34:38 PM PDT by djf (Global warming is turning out to be a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: djf

Have not been keeping up with ISON and was unaware. Those comets are real bruisers. The one which hit Jupiter made a hole the size of nearly Earth if not as large as Earth. Happy New Year, djf! May our homes dodge another bullet from space. Would surmise we have been extremely lucky for a long long time. Don’t know when our time will be up but it is for certain the cosmic universe holds wonders we humans will never understand and if we do ever become close to knowing or understanding anything those cosmic bullets may come in droves. The demons like throwing things ... LOL.


35 posted on 10/08/2013 9:41:34 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals
The only bit of luck we might have is ISON is currently North of the ecliptic plane. Soon, it will pass south of the plane. As it comes absolutely the closest to Earths orbit (Earth won't be there - yet) it will be northbound and out into almost interstellar space. That's all premised on it surviving at all!

Therefore, it might be that any objects due to hit us might be traveling in a north (somewhat - very obliquely) direction and impact in the southern hemisphere.

Well, we can hope...

I'm just hoping for a good viewing. The most excellent comet viewing ever for me was Comet Bennet in 1970.


36 posted on 10/08/2013 9:50:51 PM PDT by djf (Global warming is turning out to be a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: bunkerhill7
Homer had the listed cities [including the City of Pigeons?]that contributed troops and ships to the Trojan War arranged as the points of a Maltese Cross which could only be seen from space. How did he know that?

Very accurate maps were made centuries before it was possible to see the Earth from Space. There is no mystery here.

37 posted on 10/08/2013 9:58:32 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: djf

My most recent comet viewing was about twenty years ago. May have been named HaleBop or something similar; truth is cannot remember. Think there was a cult that killed themselves that made the news with that one (HaleBop). This one (the comet) was about a million to two million miles out but was about one sixth the size of the moon when being viewed for several nights running. This comet was traveling from east to west. Spectacular and similar in size to the one which recently was viewed from Australia. Is the comet which was viewed from Australia ISON? Is your photo posted a view of ISON?


38 posted on 10/08/2013 10:01:51 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

No, that’s Comet Bennet from 1969-1970

The best night viewing it, the head was right on the horizon, and the tail stretched more than halfway to the zenith! And it was quite dark that morning.

But hey, what do I know? I was just a fifteen yr old kid with a 2 1/12 inch el cheapoe refractor telescope!

Funny how some times all it takes is simple things, and yur in heaven, eh?


39 posted on 10/08/2013 10:09:59 PM PDT by djf (Global warming is turning out to be a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: BenLurkin

Thanks for posting this. I missed this when it was on TV. I am shocked that NASA etc have been basically lying for years about what exactly they are tracking. Anything that can wipe out life (or at least us) on a continent would pretty much destroy most of humanity from after effects. I guess I was under the impression they were watching more than they are. Helps to explain what happened recently when Russia got hit on same day they were paying attention to the near miss (17000 miles or whatever it was).


40 posted on 10/08/2013 10:12:26 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: djf

yep ... the views from the refractor telescope kept me up many a night enjoying the sky. Those were the times. Could almost hear the humming of space. Maybe there was an up late bee buzzing around me creating the humming sound but wow ... full agreement was viewing heaven or the heavens. The movements, in the sky, were always a fascination. Nothing would stay still .... LOL.


41 posted on 10/08/2013 10:16:27 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

I think “Game of Thrones” describes the times before some catastrophic event.


42 posted on 10/08/2013 10:18:14 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Right Wing Yahoos taking Over the GOP --YAHOO!)
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To: Mike Darancette

Could be ... since am from old school was always taught ... anything is possible. Used to love a saying related to old school that went like this ... For the possible will need only the next moment, for the impossible will require twenty four hours.


43 posted on 10/08/2013 10:21:45 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals
The one which hit Jupiter made a hole the size of nearly Earth if not as large as Earth. Happy New Year, djf!

Shoemaker-Levy 9 made lots of holes.

44 posted on 10/08/2013 10:22:55 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Right Wing Yahoos taking Over the GOP --YAHOO!)
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To: Mike Darancette
yep, that's the name. That one broke apart and we were treated to something never filmed ... or at least that is what we think ... LOL. Have to wonder though because each invention is simply (imho) a discovery. There is nothing which one may truly call an invention for it was discovered as it was there all along. Thank You for helping me remember some of the old school.
45 posted on 10/08/2013 10:26:35 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals
Think there was a cult that killed themselves that made the news with that one (HaleBop).

Heaven's Gate; March, 97. Hale-Bopp comet.

46 posted on 10/08/2013 10:29:24 PM PDT by stormhill (Guns Save Lives!)
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To: no-to-illegals

Refractor scopes are actually the best type for observing planets because they produce the sharpest images. The weakness with reflectors is that the light path is interupted by the mirrors; their only advantage is that it’s easier and cheaper to scale up a reflector to gather more light which is why they’re preferred for deep-space observing.


47 posted on 10/08/2013 10:31:49 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: stormhill; everyone

you folks are highly intelligent ... as I said upthread ... I’m the dumbest rock in the box. Not you folks. Thank You!


48 posted on 10/08/2013 10:32:40 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals
"If you've done six impossible things this morning, why not round it off with breakfast at Milliways, the Restaurant at the End of the Universe."
49 posted on 10/08/2013 10:36:51 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Squawk 8888

Wow .. this looks to be possible. Maybe should be worried about the white coat guys coming to get me? Are they waiters at Milliways?


50 posted on 10/08/2013 10:40:50 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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