Skip to comments.Time for A Real Conservative Party
Posted on 10/11/2013 11:17:59 AM PDT by Q-ManRN
It is time for a new conservative party. I am tired of the Republican Party because it represents keeping the status quo in D.C. The truth is the D.C. establishment consists of both republicans and democrats whose goal is to keep our money flowing into D.C. thereby making everyone beholden to the federal government. These politicians walk away mufti-millionaires with lifetime benefits at our expense while their constituents have less and less of their hard-earned money.
Every few years we talk about winning the next election and then taking back the government; however, that never happens because our so-called representatives really represent the D.C. establishment. The supposed republican vs. democrat battle is a circus sideshow that distracts us from the fact that the federal government gets bigger and more power with each passing year. A vote for most republicans is a vote for the D.C. establishment. If the republicans were serious about changing D.C., they would have done it before now.
I was hoping that Sarah Palin might start the Freedom Party that she had mentioned in a recent interview; nevertheless, I have heard nothing more about that possibility.
Go ahead, and choose from any of the 60 or 70 “third parties” that are out there. Meanwhile, I’ll join Ted Cruz and Mike Lee and Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin in recapturing the Republican party.
Time For A New Conservative Party!
I love the idea of a Third Party. If you need any help, please let me know. I would be happy to lend my considerable organizing skills and financial resources.
PS: I can think of nothing else which would help keep my party in power for decades to come.
....dang, you had me going there for a second......LOL
Have you asked Scott Walker? He defeated union thugs three times and just turned a budget surplus in Wisconsin with a third party, ER, Republican majority in the House and Senate.
Isn’t there already a “conservative party” we can build on?
My thoughts are similar. Think about the name “Republican” and strip away the negative connotation it now has with most of us. A party favoring a Republic, a nation of law (the Constitution), not on majority rule (Democracy; Democrats).
So the problem isn’t the name of the party or what it should stand for based on its name. The problem is it’s been overrun with people who don’t value the Constitution and the limited government principles contained therein. We need to work within the party to make the Republican party stand for what it should literally - a free Republic.
Here are my thoughts.
The GOP would have to then move left and try to pick off the middle of the road dems. Sort of a flip of the UK where the tea party/conservatives would be like the Liberals, dems Labour and GOP Tories?
You do not want to win.
Nobody who supports a third Party is interested in winning.
You are only interested in your ego.
You have good, Conservative Republicans sticking their necks out for you, and do you have THEIR backs?
NO! You are actually a traitor to the Conservative cause by spending so much time trying to take down the GOP, rather than supporting the Conservative Republicans who are trying to do the right thing.
Here is why Third parties never take hold in the US-—unlike Europe. In Europe they have parliamentary governments and elections. You might have three or four conservative parties and two or three left wing parties. After the election is over, whichever coalition is the biggest can get together and elected a prime minister and coalition cabinet and government.
Here in the US it does not work that way. We have a winner take all type of election system. Say you have a particular congressional district that leans conservative. In a congressional election, the Republican and Third Party Conservative candidate split between them 60% of the vote. The Democrat, however, wins 40% of the vote. Even though the district voted 60% conservative, the Democrat wins. This is why third parties never take hold in the US. And never will.
The muslim commies took over the Dem party, we can take the Repub party away from the Dem-lite RINOs.
I’m more than open to it. Ronald Reagan was the watershed figure that made me a solid and lifelong Republican voter/supporter, but when the cowardly and loathesome GOP-E joined in with the northeastern lib media to trash and backstab Palin, I became totally untethered from the Republican Party. Pushing amnesty and nominating Romney, a northeastern liberal who facilitated fag-marriage, was the last straw.
The GOP did not get my vote in 2012 because of this. Romney and Ryan and the whole GOP-E can go burn in hell!
I kind of like the Tea Party concept which I don’t really view as a party, but as a conglomeration of individuals with similar conservative ideas that nonetheless coalesce as though they were an actual organization. But for the Tea Party Patriots and such that reflect professional lobbying groups, I like to say that “I’m a Tea Party advocate”, rather than claiming its membership.
Oddly enough, the only third party that has ever substantially won anything is the Tea Party, because they are the only group that has used the only strategy that *can* succeed.
Most third parties just run a presidential candidate. Even if they were to win, which they can’t, they have no supporters in Washington and would be made to look so horrible that they might as well resign.
A far more effective way for a third party is to run from the bottom up, getting congressmen and eventually senators, until they are powerful enough to get “marginal” control in the house and eventually the senate.
But the most effective way is what the Tea Party has done, and it is hugely successful. They already have a lot of support in the Republican party, so they are trying to earn a majority and eventually take over the leadership.
And they are well on the way to doing so.
Right now, if they were a separate party, they would have perhaps 75 or more congressmen, and half a dozen senators. They have reached a point where the leadership knows that every time it acts in opposition to them, some leaders are going to be replaced in the next primaries.
Assuming the Tea Party keeps up the momentum, in the next election, the Republicans will control both the house and the senate, and the RINOs, especially in the senate, will find themselves significantly marginalized. Not completely gone, but not able to stab the conservatives in the back anymore.
The house leadership is unlikely to make it through another term as the leadership. And once conservatives control the leadership, they are going to stay in control.
Then the election after that, once the remaining RINOs, if any, are deposed, there is going to be fireworks, with the first really conservative president in over a hundred years.
So, the bottom line is a third party is for Democrats. Let them waste time and resources and maybe split their party. The Tea Party is so close to victory in the Republican party that they can taste it.
Yep, the TP needs to continue to do what it’s doing, elect like minded republicans, get a majority, and kick out the GOPe from the “leadership”.
I would be good with ridding the GOP of rinos. They could get together with the least crazy Rats and form the moderate third path.
“PS: I can think of nothing else which would help keep my party in power for decades to come.”
The Democrats have used the concept of “fusion” parties. The Communist party runs or threatens to run a candidate against the Democrat. The Dems know the Communists are x% of their vote in any district. Quite often the uber-Left (Commies) are the winning few votes. So, the Democrat adopts the positions of the Communist candidate; pro-abortion, free-stuff, Obamacare, taxing the rich, etc. etc. The Communists then either drop out or signal the membership with (dog whistle) “code” meaning they’re to vote for the Democrat. (This is why the Left is always accusing conservatives of dog whistles and code; they use them.)
We could use the same tactic as the conservative right are a much higher percentage of the Republican vote than the Lunatic Left are of the Democratic vote. Our Dog Whistle would be Sarah Palin coming out on a commercial saying, “Okay, I’ve worked a deal with x and we can all vote for him now.”
There is one way for a third party to be viable. We need to have a top 2 primary runoff system. I’d be more happy with the GOP if we had a top 2 primary runoff for selecting candidates for all elected offices. The current system favors the big money big establishment candidates which doesn’t serve us.
The agenda of today’s Democrat Party and the CPUSA are so identical.....I don’t even think the CPUSA even bothers fielding candidates very much anymore. I do believe it supported BHO in 2008 and in 2012.
The problem isn’t the party. The problem is that Washington has been turned into an aristocracy, with a king that changes every 8 years, and a House of Lords (Congress) that basically has lifetime tenure.
when RINOs like susan collins, john mccain, marco rubio, chris christie and lindsey graham take a break from drinking martinis at the country club to watch my back, i’ll watch theirs.
I guess some don’t remember the shellacking that Conservatives got when Ross Perot’s candidacy split the Conservative vote when he ran against Bill Clinton. I guess some are wanting another Democrat for president in 2016 because they want to see the vote split again.
Go ahead, organize whatever sort of Mongolian Cluster F**k you like and you'll soon find that prima donnas who always have a reason not to bother with political trench fighting and taking control of the Republican Party are almost all far too lazy to bother with your new MCF party either.
Ross Perot handed Bill Clinton the Presidency on a silver platter and delayed fuse bombs that SOB planted are a large part of our current problems. That was the great result we got from the last temper tantrum Third Party garbage.
I guess some people are just so dense that they don't know, "Nothing difficult is ever easy".
The only thing a third party will do is provide the people who don't and won't lift a finger with new excuses.
Everyone has said what needs to be said - no to a third party... yes to getting a backbone, digging deep into our convictions and choosing morality at the expense of all else.
It is time to use the last peaceful tool our framers gave us. Article V.
Very few if any thought on Free Republic about dumping a dead party with no power.
They are still waiting for a knight in shining armor to lead the GOP.
They are still riding the merry-go-round....too afraid to jump off.
“Go ahead, and choose from any of the 60 or 70 third parties that are out there. Meanwhile, Ill join Ted Cruz and Mike Lee and Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin in recapturing the Republican party.”
Agree, conservatives, as you say, should recapture the GOP. Then, force out RINO’s. They (RINO’s) can go join the Democrat party or they can be the one’s to go form a third party if they want...
We only have two choices now-—A) Take Back the GOP and bring it to its Conservative—Reaganesque Roots or B) dump the party and take over an existing 3rd Party or make a new one. I believe that in order to do that we need a charismatic leader to lead the way with good ideas and popular appeal. There are few on the right who can do this now—the ones we have are now toxic due to the MSM (sarah Palin—Newt G.—even Ted Cruz) So—reluctantly, I beleieve we have no choice but to follow plan A-—But that doesn’t mean we souldn’t explore B) and see what party we can take over if we need to. Reform? Constutional, Conservative, Any Tea Party person who is shut out of the GOP should run 3rd Party!
The Hildabeast is/has got the money set up for her run. She will have no opposition. Now her goal is to give indirectly money to a possible third candidate to split the (R)dummy party. So gang just put up a 3rd party person & I guarantee a (D) win. ( Will be lucky to win even w/o due to media & fraud).
If it’s Hillary vs NJFatboy in Nov 16, I’m writing in Putin.
I think it has more to do with many people wanting to be represented by a conservative instead of being represented by the D.C. political establishment which is self-serving. The democrats and most republicans are more interested in preserving their own political and economic power. We are already in a one party system - the D.C. establishment party - made up of democrats and most republicans.
The real question now is who is the second political party going to be to represent the vision of our Founding Fathers of limited government and individual liberty?
Elections are not a football game between democrats and the republicans. It is more like a football practice with the same team playing against itself. No side really loses in practice because they are on the same team in the end. Therefore, they cannot lose.
That is why a party not currently entrenched in the Washington political scene could work.
Interesting idea! The Washington establishment is unlikely to change the primary election system that favors them though.
When the Whig Party was in power pundits said that the republican party was not a viable third political party. If what you say about third political parties is true, how did the Republican Party replace the Whig Party?
What “conservative party” is that? A conservative party would be aggressively cleaning up D.C. We have seen unprecedented government scandals in the past few years. Who in this administration or congress has been made to account for these things? No one.
Instead, both parties merely point the finger at each other; however, no one will go to jail or lose jobs or even their federal benefits.
Do you think that you or I would be that lucky if we were committing crimes like this? No, because we are not part of the Washington elite. It is Washington, D.C. vs. the rest of the nation, not republican vs. democrat.
Different times. Just like today, it is much, much harder to start your own car company (and be successful) than in 1910, or start your own computer company....
Good luck with that.
PS: It will never happen.
The whig party collapsed but today the events that led to that collapse are more difficult. I’d like to see the GOP replaced entirely. I still think there is much more potential to eject progressive GOP from power replacing them than creating a new party though I’m very supportive of the idea.
I want to win for the American people, not for the Republican Party which has betrayed conservatives repeatedly in the past few decades. Have the republicans repealed the federal income tax? Have they eliminated unconstitutional federal agencies? Deregulated? No. They have added regulations and added their own programs supporting the existing political system.
I do support truly conservative Republicans; however, I believe they would do better in a truly conservative party that supports their goals in return. The Republican Party and the democratic party are both committed to maintaining the Washington establishment as it is now.
As I said before, it is not a football game between the democrats and the republicans. More like a football practice where both sides are on the same team and therefore no one really loses. That team is committed to keeping power and money in Washington, D.C.
It is not about republican vs. democrat; it is about Washington, D.C. vs. the rest of the nation. Washington is in an economic boom while the rest of the nation is falling into economic ruin. In order to bring real change to Washington, we need a party that is not dependent on the current political system.
People said the same things that you are saying when the Republican Party challenged the then dominant Whig Party. Where is the Whig Party today? Replaced by the Republican Party because conservatives tired of the Whigs because they supported the political establishment.
Whigs said if you vote in the Republicans there will be a bloody Civil War-—650,000 Americans died but the slavery question was solved—sort of. Maybe we need to bing back the Whigs! Or the Federalists? Or the Know Nothings Wait—we don’t need to resurect the Know Nothings—we have Democrats.
Get back to me when your tantrum does any good.......
One problem is you ASSUME (and we all know what that means) that the real principled conservatives don’t work for the Party or have not previously worked for the Party.
That is BS.
The bigger problem is that the GOP has no answer for what their Primary (rigged to give us the product we receive) System gives us...wishy washy liberal (moderate my ass) Establishment anti conservatives.
McCain (who is blaming the GOP for the shutdown) has always relished stabbing conservatives, not in the back, but in your face on the Senate floor...Romney (who took away the primary issue of ObamaCare away since he agreed in principled) ...and now they will foist and rig it for JeB Bush.
The GOPe always blames conservatives for their own failures...well, we couldnt have gotten 2 more liberal establishment milquetoasts than that duo...how did that work out for the GOP?
More importantly, why should conservatives stay if the Primaries are not changed? We don’t need to stick around and see Jeb coronated. The GOP offers us nothing at this time but the same slavery that the Dems offer minorities and illegals.
A third party is a bogus idea from start to finish except for those who dream of seeming like a bigger fish when they're in in a much smaller pond.
That’s merely your personal experience.
The more things change, the more they stay the same in politics. The enemy is centralized power in a national government as our Founding Fathers warned us. They knew that the danger of that possibility would always be with us. They firmly believed we should replace politicians that advocated such consolidation of power.
I do not see either political party making any substantive changes to curtail the rampant statism in Washington today or over the past century. They both cling to that power with different rhetoric.
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