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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 41 OCTOBER, 11, 2013
October 11, 2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 10/11/2013 12:29:02 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


TOPICS: Agriculture; Food; Gardening; Hobbies
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Greetings from Missouri. It is a beautiful fall day here. The sun is shining its 78 degrees with a low of 61. Great gardening weather.

The walnut and butter nut trees are heavily laden this year and beginning to drop to the ground. The persimmon tree (native to USA)is also heavily laden, and beginning to drop ripe fruit.

Sugar Baby watermelons still trying to mature. Peppers and tomatoes winding down. I got my garlic-finally- will be trying to get it in the ground on Sunday.

It is also time to sow some rye. Now back to persimmons. These and the nut trees are just God's gift. They were on the property when we bought the land, and we have done nothing to encourage them.

For those who are not familiar with the persimmon, it is very good nutrition. Persimmons leaves may be picked and dried for tea. It tastes a bit like sassafras, and is high in vitamin C.

The seeds may be cleaned, roasted, and ground for a coffee substitute. The persimmon itself is about 1"-1 1/2" in diameter. It has 3-5 fairly large seeds. When ripe it feels like you are holding a little bag of jelly, and the skin is extremely thin.

Persimmons are a good source of Vitamins A,B,B6, Potassium,manganese, and also protein, calcium, phosphorus, iron, copper, papain, and bromelaine enzymes.

I have collected a bunch of candy, cake, breads,soup, marmalade and jam recipes. We are eating a few ripe persimmons every day. I am going to try a recipe for Persimmon Cream Candy later this week. It only requires a small amount of persimmon pulp, and we don't have many this week, so it seems a good place to start.

P.S. I'm heading out for another trip-maintanence and cleanup of property about 250 miles from here-so I'll be without any computer access for a couple of days beginning tommorrow morning. I'll probably have withdrawal pains.LOL

Hope Ya'll are doing well. Have a great weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 10/11/2013 12:29:02 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes

I adore persimmons! Prayers up for a safe trip.


2 posted on 10/11/2013 12:41:38 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (the seed spawn of zor-ketthraa!.)
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To: Silentgypsy

Thanks for the prayers. How do you use persimmons, or do you just eat them as they ripen?


3 posted on 10/11/2013 12:45:28 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
We'll make sure to start all the interesting conversations tomorrow morning. ;)

Everthing is on track here. We're supposed to get some rain this weekend. I pray we do. I still need my rain barrel filled.

/johnny

4 posted on 10/11/2013 12:45:58 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

Actually, I bought them in the supermarket when I lived in the desert. The produce in those markets was glorious, and we also had wonderful roadside stands with good selections of nuts, fruits and veggies. I just ate the persimmons. My favorite things to grow were cantaloupes and tomatoes. I just ate and shared those, too. (Am a simple organism lol!)


5 posted on 10/11/2013 12:51:47 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (the seed spawn of zor-ketthraa!.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Prayers up for rain, and will throw in a rain dance free of charge (need the exercise anyway lol!). All we have left are bell peppers, basil, rosemary and marigolds.


6 posted on 10/11/2013 12:53:54 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (the seed spawn of zor-ketthraa!.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Ha Ha. I’ll catch up on all that interesting stuff when I get back.LOL


7 posted on 10/11/2013 12:55:35 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Silentgypsy

Were those the American Native wild persimmon, or perhaps the larger Japanese or Chinese version?


8 posted on 10/11/2013 12:57:21 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

When do I put in my German Red and White Garlic for next spring/early summer


9 posted on 10/11/2013 12:59:00 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: greeneyes

I apologize for my ignorance—I dunno.


10 posted on 10/11/2013 1:03:10 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (the seed spawn of zor-ketthraa!.)
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To: t1b8zs

It depends on where you live. I grow garlic during the winter, so I plant it in September or October. It gets established a bit before the cold weather hits. I cover it and let it go till spring, when it finishes growing, and harvest it in May or June.

I don’t mess with planting garlic in the spring, because I have a small area, and not enough room for all the other stuff I want to plant. Anything I can plant in fall and grow till spring/summer gets shifted to fall planting.

I know there are several who do grow lots of garlic, so maybe they’ll be able to answer with additional options.


11 posted on 10/11/2013 1:10:42 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Silentgypsy

If they were larger than a ping pong ball, they were probably a cultivated product, since the wild persimmons are small, and the thin skins don’t lend well to marketing.


12 posted on 10/11/2013 1:12:27 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

When do I put in my German Red and White Garlic for next spring/early summer

I think you answered my question,Put it in late fall.(it grows over winter,i guess)I call that establishing it self vs growing.
Thanks no other replies needed


13 posted on 10/11/2013 1:14:51 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: greeneyes

Yep, definitely larger than a ping pong ball. We have wild strawberries and blueberries here which are pretty to look at but they don’t taste good (mealy texture, not sweet).


14 posted on 10/11/2013 1:19:07 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (the seed spawn of zor-ketthraa!.)
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To: t1b8zs

Ok. Glad to help.


15 posted on 10/11/2013 1:33:33 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I’m looking for a cayenne pepper sauce recipe that uses fermentation? Anybody have one?


16 posted on 10/11/2013 1:36:59 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Silentgypsy

That’s interesting. My grandpa always collected wild blackberries and wild grapes for jelly. It tasted great as jelly.

We also have some wild blackberries, and they taste really good, but last year the drought killed all except the ones we got in early spring, and there was just undersized very dry ones this year.

Hoping for better next year. Hubby was into a phase of wild foraging a long time ago, and went around collecting all kinds of stuff. This included wild strawberries. They were very small, but tasted good. Maybe our Missouri soil is better than I thought.LOL


17 posted on 10/11/2013 1:37:37 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: goodwithagun

I do not have one. I don’t do fermented stuff, but maybe someone else does.


18 posted on 10/11/2013 1:39:15 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I am also interested in Fall garlic planting

I have German hard neck and Italian soft neck garlic I want to plant. I’m in Connecticut and I want to get it in this weekend.

At the Organic gardening web site, they’re telling me I need to soak the cloves over night in a seaweed fertilizer mixture. I can’t find any seaweed fertilizer in my area. Am I doomed to failure if I skip this step?


19 posted on 10/11/2013 1:55:12 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: KosmicKitty

Not from my perspective. Here in Missouri I have never soaked the garlic in anything. I just stick it in the ground and more or less forget about it till frost, at which time I cover it up with row covers, so that the sun and rain can penetrate.

Eventually I have to throw some straw on the row cover and I also line the back of the area with some Milk Jugs of water. They absorb heat during the day and give it off at night. Also the process of freezing the water releases heat.

I use those cheap white wire fences from Walmart for the front and part of the sides so that when I toss on the straw it remains off the plants. It works for Mo. weather.


20 posted on 10/11/2013 2:08:47 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; Silentgypsy; sockmonkey; rightly_dividing; JRandomFreeper; All
PLANT REPORT – CONTAINERS – www.Goodreads.com

The Egyptian Walking Onions are well covered with netting at a height the onions can grow as tall as they want and not hit the net. Yorkie, Prissy, cannot get to the onions now to walk down the planter and neither can the squirrels or birds get even close to them.

I think those hard pods on the big “T” squash plant may be blossoms as I see some of the pod skins are splitting. Those pods are everywhere on that plant that must be nine feet long now. I've gone this far without moths/borers wanting this plant so maybe the press about this squash is right - that insects don't like this squash. I grew up loving squash in our family garden and that's why I didn't give up on squash.

Greeneyes, we had a Persimmon tree in our garden so I grew up eating them.

If the big net “room” doesn't come today to put over the aluminum frame that used to be the frame for an outdoor table umbrella, surely it will be here by Monday and Tuesday at the latest. Then the freaking squirrels can commit suicide from looking at the food they can't get.

ALL CONTAINERS ARE NOT EQUAL
I have studied and looked at containers until I know the container has to be compared to the plant going to be in it. One has to consider whether the fruit will be on top of the soil or under the soil. Fruit on top means lots of room on top of the soil and maybe not so much soil required underneath. There are containers everywhere for this type food fruit.

If It's a root fruit, it's not so easy to find the right container as the container needs to be square rather than the container be wide at the top and slim down next to nothing at the bottom – there has to be space for the root fruit to be. Seldom will you find one round that is straight down on the sides. And, square ones aren't easy to find, either, plus it needs depth to have room vertically for the root fruit to grow.

Then, one has to consider the cost of a square one with enough depth to grow root fruit and it needs a hole in the bottom for excess water to drain. If you want to pay $60-80 for a fancy square container, great. However, if you don’t want to get a loan at the bank to buy those containers, look for something cheaper.

I have found a square, low cost container, that looks nice. Don’t pay attention to the “official” measurements as those include extra plastic trim, etc.. I measured the actual amount of growing space and it’s 13 inches across the top and bottom and 13 inches deep. They say it’s 15 inches, but the actual space is 13 inches. There is a plug in the hole in the bottom for drainage of excess water and there are short legs to keep it off the deck or ground. These cost $7.57 at Home Depot. You can’t buy them over the net, have to buy them at the store. I got the light green color as I have other containers of this brand that are light green. They are called deck containers. We transplanted baby carrots and turnips into these containers. You can look at them here:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Dynamic-Design-Medallion-14-88-in-x-14-88-in-Lotus-Green-Poly-Deck-Box-DP1510LO/203629145#.UlhSNowo5jo

www.Goodreads.com
Have I got a good deal for you FOR FREE. Son, Wayne, told me about this as he is on it and now I’m on it. Go to that link, sign up, totally free, and put your interests and capabilities, gardening is one, on your page. Put down everything you ever did that qualifies you to know something about a subject. There is a reason for this and here it is:

This website is for people who read. They list the books they are reading or have read and write their opinion of these books. Authors go there to read opinions about their books. HERE IS THE JEWEL OF THIS WEBSITE: Authors GIVE AWAY copies of their new books and even books they haven’t released to the public yet. They send them to you free of charge. Every genre of books is there. Right now, there are 88 pages of free books. You click you want this book, follow the few directions to get you on that list. There is an ending date for each book. Once the ending date comes, the author chooses the ones he wants to have his/her book. He/she may be offering one book or ten books, any amount the author wants to give away. There is no requirement to write an opinion of the book once you have read it, but the author wants those opinions.

The author may go to your page to read your interests and knowledge of subjects, in deciding who will be the winner(s) of his/her book(s). Here is why I know this is true: A physicist wrote a book and chose my son to get the book. Wayne has his math/physics/astronomy credits on there as well as his being a director of documentary films. The author also sent him a message asking if Wayne would read portions of a new book he is writing and give him his opinion of that material to see if the author needed to change something or add something.

Well, turning me on to 88 pages of free books and then stop asking for them due to having to eat or sleep, is asking one to stop eating dessert. I will never get to the last page because as books go off, more are added to the front of the list. It is a never ending list. I don’t care what kind of books you like, they are on there, even children’s books. Eventually, if you keep entering, you will get books. The law of averages will eventually get you books. BOOKS, BOOKS, BOOKS – THIS IS SO COOL.

21 posted on 10/11/2013 2:33:48 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: greeneyes

Garlic: I can’t decide what to do about garlic. I can only stand a tiny bit of garlic - I am allergic to it - it makes me nauseas for three days and my skin turns red and I have chills. I don’t even like to touch it and smell that smell. Maybe I’ll just have some garlic powder in bottles from the store, if I wanted to add a tiny bit to something. I just don’t think I want to plant it.


22 posted on 10/11/2013 2:46:33 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella

So did you just eat the persimmons, or was there some preserves or other recipes that you remember?

My first exposure was in the 1970’s when hubby was doing his foraging phase. He made several batches of persimmon bread. Then we bought this place, but we had so many trees that I didn’t even really know about the persimmons. That area was not cleared, so I avoided it.

A few years back we cleared the area a bit to build our council fire pit. And that’s when I started experimenting to see if I could pick a ripe persimmon. Got a few really bad puckers the first year.LOL

Hubby assured me the other day that the persimmons would not be ripe until after the first frost. I told him that was not correct, as I had already eaten one, and there would be more leading up to the frost date and after.

So he went out and brought back a couple, and I was able to point out the ones that weren’t quite ready and the few that were. He looked at me and said, “why are you always right?” LOL

Thanks for the link and interesting info on books. I’ll definitely be looking at that. I always figured that 5 gallon buckets would make pretty good containers for root crops, and they are cheap. Drill a few holes. I think it should work.

Course I also like just buying a pot and using it without all the drilling.LOL


23 posted on 10/11/2013 2:49:51 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella

If you are allergic to it, I for sure would not mess with it. I might stock some powder or something for medicinal purposes for family and friends is all-if that.


24 posted on 10/11/2013 2:51:36 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella
The new boss of the house, Gracie, at 5 weeks, one day. They told us she was older but not according to the B-day. gracie at 6 weeks plus a few days photo gracie-Copy.jpg
25 posted on 10/11/2013 2:57:37 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Phil. 4:13)
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To: greeneyes

“I always figured that 5 gallon buckets would make pretty good containers for root crops, and they are cheap.”

I have to go with the $7.57 for a pretty container since it will be on the deck. A 5 gallon bucket doesn’t do anything for me esthetically. If I was on a large lot/farm where they wouldn’t be obvious, okay, but mine will be “in your face” containers.

We just ate the persimmons. We also had fig trees so lots of fig preserves were made, and peach trees, preserves from those and plum trees, plum jelly. I had so much and didn’t appreciate it as I thought all people had that stuff.


26 posted on 10/11/2013 2:58:57 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: rightly_dividing

Ohh, she is so precious. I’m glad you got her to have a new “toy boss” in your house.


27 posted on 10/11/2013 3:01:14 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella

She is whiter than snow. We lost one(13yo) a year ago, and the other one that you met, is 14yo, so it was time to restart the herd(of 2)


28 posted on 10/11/2013 3:05:47 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Phil. 4:13)
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To: greeneyes

I have signed up for two gardening books on that reading website. May or may not get one or both but if I don’t put my name in the hat, I surely won’t get them.


29 posted on 10/11/2013 3:10:46 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella

I am in the process of reading the book site. I see they do Kindle, that will make Mrs. r_d happy.


30 posted on 10/11/2013 3:22:02 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Phil. 4:13)
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To: rightly_dividing

I keep the list of free books open on that page all the time and when I get a few minutes or more, I bring it up and find more books to click on to get on that book’s give away list.


31 posted on 10/11/2013 3:26:53 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: greeneyes

I didn’t get pinged this week, am I Zotted from the GT?

We had the large, apple size persimmons in Mobile, two large established trees. One year somebody(my neighbor)stole every one while we were gone. Grrr...


32 posted on 10/11/2013 3:27:29 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Phil. 4:13)
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To: Marcella

Yes, I see your point. We have five patios, so the one out back which is the one I lined with the raised beds, gets the containers, and I don’t hang out there, so it’s no big deal what container I use. I’ll only see it for 10 or 20 minutes per day after everything is planted.

I guess I could give the grandkids some paint and let them decorate them.LOL Youngest grand daughter is very good at drawing pictures of dragons.

Well, I knew only a little, because my folks lived in town, and ran a restaurant. So I knew the difference. Mom and Dad never had homemade jams and jellies except what granny gave us, and we really cherished that stuff.


33 posted on 10/11/2013 3:31:49 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella

Yep. Gotta sow the seed to reap the harvest.LOL


34 posted on 10/11/2013 3:33:44 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: rightly_dividing

Oh no. Did you get pinged this week? Last week, I was able to access the computer at the conference, but it wouldn’t let me copy the ping list.

Applegate Ranch and JRandomFreeper saved the day by posting what they could. I really think you should have been on the list from my profile site though.

Sorry for the exclusion - it was not intentional. Let me know if you got my ping this week for sure.


35 posted on 10/11/2013 3:37:14 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

It was today’s thread. I checked my pings several times, it’s not there.


36 posted on 10/11/2013 3:41:32 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Phil. 4:13)
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To: greeneyes

Hello Greeneyes, I didn’t get a ping either . . . I don’t think anyone did. I just happened to find this thread on “Latest Posts.”


37 posted on 10/11/2013 3:47:40 PM PDT by HopeandGlory (Hey, Liberals . . . PC died on 9/11 . . . GET USED TO IT!!!)
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To: HopeandGlory

I was pingless as well.


38 posted on 10/11/2013 3:58:30 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: rightly_dividing; HopeandGlory

I’ll check it out.


39 posted on 10/11/2013 4:01:55 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

OK. Apparently I did something wrong when I pinged the list, and it didn’t post.

I was just replying to all the people who replied to the initial post and didn’t notice it.

Thanks to rightly_dividing and HopeandGlory for alerting me to the problem. Any one not receiving this ping. Please let me know.

Gee I thought the traffic was a little slow today.LOL


40 posted on 10/11/2013 4:15:08 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; All
Does anyone grow tansy? I'm thinking about growing it to use as an insecticide and to keep bugs out of certain garden beds.

/johnny

41 posted on 10/11/2013 4:15:32 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

Just curious... if we didn’t receive the ping, how would we know?

/trouble-making


42 posted on 10/11/2013 4:24:16 PM PDT by Jemian (War Eagle!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Hi, Johnny! Praying for rain for you.


43 posted on 10/11/2013 4:25:22 PM PDT by Jemian (War Eagle!)
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To: Jemian

accidentally running across it-like rightly and HopeandGlory.LOL

I always kinda like a few rebel rousers.LOL


44 posted on 10/11/2013 4:26:17 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Nope. Marigolds and basil is about the extent that I have delved into repellants. Those I just plant with tomatoes and the basil all over to try to scare off the skeeters.


45 posted on 10/11/2013 4:28:04 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Weird and incomprehensible things happen on the mysterious Interwebs....


46 posted on 10/11/2013 4:35:34 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (the seed spawn of zor-ketthraa!.)
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To: Silentgypsy

Have I mentioned that I am very technologically challenged?
I am sure it is something I did or failed to do.LOL

It is all mysterious to me.


47 posted on 10/11/2013 4:41:03 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

We have wild blackberry bushes and in previous years the berries tasted really good. This year they weren’t sweet either but somebody was eating them (I’m assuming deer and birdies because they hang around there. I sit at my desk at dusk and sometimes catch them.). I think they were planted by prior residents here. When we dug in to lay the foundation for the cement deck, there was a big old cement foundation.


48 posted on 10/11/2013 4:41:48 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (the seed spawn of zor-ketthraa!.)
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To: Silentgypsy

I have been convinced that the drought we had was a lot of our problems. We have plenty of critters that chow down on stuff too.

Hubby plants a lot of extra stuff, and covers stuff up with nets, and sets traps etc. I couldn’t possibly process it all anyway, so if the critters leave enough for us, I don’t really care if they get a snack or two.


49 posted on 10/11/2013 4:44:58 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella
Wow! Thanks for the link! Your account of travails with the squirrels never fails to crack me up! One of my poor neighbors had the misfortune to drop by to chat when we still had tomato plants in the garden, and I ventilated very loudly about hornworms and squash vine borers. He had never seen me lose my temper but there was much reddening of face and projection of speech, as well as waving of arms and yelling up to heaven about why these poor, innocent plants had been so cursed. Now he speeds past the house, probably afraid that the unbalanced lady resident might send an RPZ (rocket-propelled zucchini) at him. (No sweat--the borers killed all the zucchini plants, but not until I cooked, dehydrated and shared a goodly amount.)

Thank you for the report! My friend, Earthwoman, had a watering trough into which she put seed potatoes and she grew bunches of them. Is a washtub maybe an option?

50 posted on 10/11/2013 4:55:06 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (the seed spawn of zor-ketthraa!.)
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