Skip to comments.Atheists Skeptical of Atwill’s Claim of a ‘Fabricated Jesus’
Posted on 10/11/2013 9:31:20 PM PDT by Olog-hai
Self-proclaimed Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill has written a book in which he claims that Jesus was fabricated by a little-known group called the Flavians.
He also claims he has some sort of smoking gun type of confession from these ancient people that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they entered into a conspiracy with the Roman government of the time to fabricate a character called Jesus as a gentle Messiah figure to wage psychological warfare on, and control, the masses so they would pay Caesar taxes without complaining. He is apparently going to present this evidence at a symposium later this month to which he is selling tickets.
Atheists dont believe in God, and therefore, dont believe in Jesus, so Atwills claim must be immediately adopted and enthusiastically promoted by Atheists, right?
Wrong. Atheists are a notoriously skeptical lot, and when reviewing this claim by Atwill of a fabricated Jesus, their famous skepticism is not only alive, but thriving.
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Atwill is driving with blinders on and earplugs in.
I call B.S.
I dare him to say the same thing about Mohammed
Hollyweird can’t wait to make it into a blockbuster movie.....
Well, I beware of Greeks even when they bear gifts.
The atheists get, and got, where they do by assuming a no-supernatural view of reality. Any sort of spiritual sense is slammed as confirmation bias. Even a false conspiracy theory is a step closer to truth than atheism is.
You won’t go far in academia saying things against Islam. Anti-Christian and Anti-Semitism is where it’s at with the university crowd.
Who wouldn’t be skeptical of someone who throws crap against a wall to see if it stinks?
Was St. Paul invented, an agent of the conspiracy, or simply a deluded Jew? How about the other Apostles and biblical notables?
Oh yeah, Vespasian, Titus and Domitian are total unknowns I mean they were just Emperors.
So Romans invented unjustice of men against the talent of Jesus to justify taking taxes by Ceasar Atwill is an idiot. Jesus did the exact opposit. render unto Ceasar and see his fruits fail and then his realm shall fall apart and will have to repent to God.
I wish Atwill rotsa ruck explaining how Caesar could come up with a cockamamie plan like this. Folks like that are trying to explain away genuine, unmistakable supernatural events... the widest displayed miracle is not even Jesus’s earthly death and resurrection, as important as their historical acceptability are — it’s the impact that these events had in the lives of billions! It’s like the global catastrophic warmists and the evolution-only biologists. No God, no God, no God. Fools!
Atwill and others have been pushing Roman conspiratorial theories for years. I think it’s not about what can be proven, but what entertains and promotes non-believe and skepticism.
SO, in the theory how does Rome benefit by labeling themselves God-killers?
I totally believe it, does Dan Brown fund these people?
That sure pokes a hole in the motive.
Frankly in the Jesus saga, we all come out looking like chumps, while He is the hero!
Who’d carry around a story like that, not being convinced already that it was real???
A) Be skeptical when anyone comes out as a ‘self proclaimed’ anything. Ask yourself if you would have your heart operated on by a ‘self proclaimed’ surgeon.
B) I find it hard to believe someone who has a degree in computers but finds the historicity of Christianity ‘interesting’ has uncovered documents overlooked by millions of scholars over the ages.
C) So, the Romans invented a messiah to draw people into a new, more placid faux religion... and no doubt drew even more people as they brutally slaughtered Christians and fed them to lions, and they no doubt would encourage an atmosphere of benevolence toward themselves by stating that they had killed the messiah! Wow, these Romans were masters of the psyop. This plan was airtight.
IS CHRISTIANITY THE GENESIS OF MODERN PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE? JOIN US SAT. 19TH OCTOBER 2013 FOR A UNIQUE SYMPOSIUM AT CONWAY HALL 25 RED LION SQUARE, LONDON IT'S NOT JUST ANCIENT HISTORY
What I don’t understand is how in the world this is getting headlines on some news outlets.
If I came out and said “I can prove the theory of relativity false!” and that I was a “self proclaimed physicist”, would MSN and others run a headline
BREAKING NEWS: Self-proclaimed physicist disproves theory of relativity!
Is that what our media has become now? Anyone can make headlines? They don’t even have to be a drunk celebrity anymore? I can’t help but think these media outlets are just trying to push an anti-Christian narrative into the public domain even if the story is ridiculous.
All they have to do is protest against conservatives or something traditional.
You get 16 illegals to protest and its national news, you have a million conservatives protest Obama and its ignored.
Yup they had a cat food problem there. What, they didn’t pay enough taxes? Nope, they didn’t worship Caesar. And you’re saying Caesar consented to conspire... what???
He deserves to get laughed out of his presentation.
I think this “Joseph Atwill” is some sort of fabricated Biblical scholar. I don’t think he exists.
"The calendar we use today marks the life of Jesus Christ as the beginning of a new chapter in Western civilisation, a new era inspired by Christ's message of love, charity, humility, peace, and justice. But established history tells us that Christianity became entangled in politics, wealth, violence, and empire because the institutional religion strayed from the moral teachings of its founder. How did it go so wrong?
The latest in Biblical scholarship has now uncovered new evidence that provides a disturbing explanation: Christianity never strayed; Jesus Christ is a fabricated cover story for an Imperial psychological warfare operation born out of the First Jewish-Roman War in the first century. Far-fetched and absurd? The quality of the evidence we'll be presenting may surprise you.
Joseph Atwill explains, "This is really important for our culture..."
AN EXPOSÉ ON CHRISTIANITY WHOSE TIME HAS COME Join us for a one-day symposium that will provide a unique insight into how the ruling classes, from the Caesars of the past to the public relations firms working for governments and high finance today, have maintained power and an unending stealth class war by weaponising our own imagination against us. This is sure to engage not just students of religion and history, but also those interested in psychology, politics, and social justice.
In attendance will be our guest speakers Joseph Atwill and Kenneth Humphreys. We are also proud to feature the European premiere of the groundbreaking documentary Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus directed by Fritz Heede."
I hope he is soundly humiliated by actual historians. What a crapweasel.
Mayhap he received his degree from a box of Cracker Jacks.
It is. To show how hooting down Christ goes over like a lead balloon, except that this would be an insult to lead balloons!
I think Barack Obama is trying hard to become another worshipped Caesar... though to be fair, unless millions were ready to worship a yahoo like this, Barack would get nowhere.
Anyhow back to our schedule eyeroll.
Since when was a Cracker Jack prize that worthless :-)
Funny how the Romans couldn’t play a similar trick on the Huns, eh. Or is Atwill saying that only a certain segment of the Jews and Greeks were stupid?
Given the left-leaning stance of “some news outlets”, how could they hold back?
The very quintenssence of cockamamie, huh.
God lets the devil lure fools into... looking foolish!
And it gets worse and worse until FINALLY even the stupidest person can see it.
Barack can only dream of being Caesar.
Caesar was a successful general before holding office. Obama was just a shitty community organizer.
No, if I’m going to give that doofus any kind of former leader to hang his turban on, it would probably be Jim Jones. The cult mentality of his moonbat followers is Kool-Aidtacular.
Might also make you wonder why they needed to create a new religion. They already had one, and it didn’t star them as the villains!
Touché, amigo. Touché
Well Barack is busy with his most spectacular smoke and mirrors yet ... Obamacare.
It also doesn’t do them any good to propagate the teaching of this “pacifist religion” to non-Jews too (like Roman citizens). Great way to make your empire full of “weaklings.”
Furthermore, it doesn’t do them any favors creating a heretic group and throwing the region into turmoil. Finally, Rome does not benefit if they create accounts against themselves in regards to mass child homicide (Matthew 2:16) and execution of a innocent man (Matthew 27).
This is aluminium tin foil hat level conspiracy.
i think his “little known group” was actually called the Pythons. he just was a little mixed up.
Some atheists are friendly to religion.
Bookmarked for later as I am sure some smartypants is going to come up to me and repeat this nonsense. At least I can point out that even atheist see the stupidity of this bull!
Don't tell me there's "pictures" or "written proof" of a "historical Darwin". I'VE never seen him, you'll have to produce the man in person for me to believe in him.
MY personal scientific theory is that Charles Darwin is based on Santa Claus. Now college professors and so-called "intellectuals" will tell you that Santa is a myth and Darwin was a real person...MY theory is that it's the other way around, that "Charles Darwin" was created Agnostic Monks to counter the joy and fun that comes from Santa Claus at Christmas.
I know that a lot of you are (rightly) suspicious of government but really, this preoccupation with conspiracy theories is getting way over the top. It's bad enough that a double digits percentage of the population honestly believe that 9/11 was an inside job and that NASA never landed anyone on the moon, but now we got this kook making up complicated conspiratorial ideas about the Roman government, 2000 years ago, conducting some kind of subornation operation on Judaism? This being the same government that regularly derided the social upheaval caused by Christian ideas on recipricol obligation and systematically massacred them in immense numbers over the next two centuries - but really they were all on the same side? And this is pretty much completely based on Jesus' famous quote of "render unto Caesar"? Did this guy consult any theologians - you know, people who are expert in this kind of thing - before he wrote his book?
The depressing thing is that in spite of the contention of the article's author, some people are really going to be convinced by this.
LOL - very good.
Actually it was the Klingons
"And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected." (Luke 13:32)
Tell that fox - A fox is an emblem of slyness, of cunning, and of artful mischief. The word is also used to denote a dissembler. Herod was a wicked man, but the particular thing to which Jesus here alludes is not his vices, but his cunning, his artifice, in endeavoring to remove him out of his territory. He had endeavored to do it by stratagem - by sending these people who pretended great friendship for his life. - Barnes
That fox (tēi alōpeki tautēi). This epithet for the cunning and cowardice of Herod shows clearly that Jesus understood the real attitude and character of the man who had put John the Baptist to death and evidently wanted to get Jesus into his power in spite of his superstitious fears that he might be John the Baptist redivivus. The message of Jesus means that he is independent of the plots and schemes of both Herod and the Pharisees. The preacher is often put in a tight place by politicians who are quite willing to see him shorn of all real power. - Robertson
In calling him a fox, he gives him his true character; for he was subtle as a fox, noted for his craft, and treachery, and baseness, and preying (as they say of a fox) furthest from his own den. And, though it is a black and ugly character, yet it did not ill become Christ to give it to him, nor was it in him a violation of that law, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people. For Christ was a prophet, and prophets always had a liberty of speech in reproving princes and great men. Nay, Christ was more than a prophet, he was a king, he was King of kings, and the greatest of men were accountable to him, and therefore it became him to call this proud king by his own name; but it is not to be drawn into an example by us. Go, and tell that fox, yea, and this fox too (for so it is in the original, tē alōpeki tautē); that Pharisee, whoever he is, that whispers this in my ear, let him know that I do not fear him, nor regard his menaces.. - Henry