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(Vanity) Need input on a scope for a rifle.
10/14/2013 | by Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 10/14/2013 9:59:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz

Of course, I do not own an AR-15, but I may consider one in the future -- provided they are legal, naturally!

But I like to prepare for future purchases. The rifle I am considering has no carrying-handle and no iron sights. I'd like freeper input on what sort of scope I should consider: Reflex / Holo with or without Fixed Power, a Fixed Power illuminated, or a variable power? Brands, prices, suggestions, all are welcome. The rifle would be for close to medium range target shooting (0-300 yards), especially 'action shooting' competitions. Price must be under or at 500. Would also be okay with something that worked 0-600 yds.


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1 posted on 10/14/2013 9:59:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz

Heck if I know.

I’m scared of guns.


2 posted on 10/14/2013 10:00:22 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Kaslin; Old Sarge; Squantos; Travis McGee; Kartographer

Suggestions?


3 posted on 10/14/2013 10:01:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: humblegunner

Me too. In fact, I might not even buy it. But I like to know random pieces of information. Information is much less terrifying than guns! Ew! Guns are BAD! Ew!


4 posted on 10/14/2013 10:02:00 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

I have a 3-9 Bushnel on my 243 auto that is a great scope. good name brand.


5 posted on 10/14/2013 10:03:21 AM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: Lazamataz

ping myself for an interesting and timely read. Thanks, Laz.


6 posted on 10/14/2013 10:03:44 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: Lazamataz

Here ya go!!!

Rifle with Scope!!!

http://www.gunsamerica.com/906290248/SHF_BMG_SINGLE_SHOT_RIFLES_50CAL.htm


7 posted on 10/14/2013 10:05:38 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: MasterGunner01; marktwain

Suggestions?


8 posted on 10/14/2013 10:06:12 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

An AR with an Aimpoint red dot should be good for any realistic ‘zombie’ engagements. If you need to reach out more you can add a 3x multiplier, but if you need to reach out more get a .308.


9 posted on 10/14/2013 10:06:12 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Red dot or Holo? Magnifier includes or seperate purchase?


10 posted on 10/14/2013 10:06:48 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Iron sights are OK, esp at 300 yards. I do see holo or dot sights at 3 gun matches, they offer quick acquisition but most take batteries.

A scope that allows you to look under and use the irons will solve a lot of problems.

Bushnell as mentioned above is a good name.


11 posted on 10/14/2013 10:06:56 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Lazamataz

I’ve become fond of the Millett DMS with donut reticle. It ain’t overly tacticool, but it works and seems well-made for the price.


12 posted on 10/14/2013 10:07:24 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Lazamataz

Going truffle hunting ?


13 posted on 10/14/2013 10:08:33 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: DBrow

Bushnells seem cheaper, I definitely agree with iron sight ability. I did read that Bushells are not as durable and I am willing to spend for durability. One scope with batteries had a three year life, when left on ALL THE TIME, so that one is a top contender.


14 posted on 10/14/2013 10:08:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: tallyhoe; Lazamataz

***(SCOPE,BI-POD, CARRY HANDLE NOT INCLUDED)*** ***S50,18”BL-15.5lbs,22”BL-16.5lbs,29”BL-19.0lbs**

SAFTY HARBOR FIREARMS COMPLETE RIFLES AND ACCESSORIES SHF complete single shot 18”,22”,29”: $1875.00 ( FFL required ) (ACCESSORIES NOT INCLUDED) SHF Monostock: $145.00 SHF STEEL: $80.00 SHF Bipod w/Mount: $140.00 Carry Handle: $60.00


15 posted on 10/14/2013 10:09:24 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; humblegunner

Heavens, no! Humblegunner reminded me that guns are scary! I am only seeking this information as a thought-exercise! :)


16 posted on 10/14/2013 10:09:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

If I HAD to buy a scope, I’d want that kind in the movies
that just snaps on and is automatically sighted in.

I’ve always thought that was super cool, guy takes a broken
down weapon out of a bag, snap, click, twist twist and he’s good to go.

How awesome is that?


17 posted on 10/14/2013 10:10:07 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Lazamataz

I hear these work well on zombies.

http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product1.php?id=Reflex


18 posted on 10/14/2013 10:10:10 AM PDT by laker_dad
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To: Lazamataz
300 yards? What's wrong with point an shoot?

Tell the truth Laz - these days, when you say, "I'd hit it", you're talking about getting lucky with a down-range target; aren't you?

Bushnell is a reliable brand - something variable, with up to 9 power, should be sufficient. Varying price range - $500 should cover more scope than you need. I have one with illuminated reticules - OK for certain low light situations, but generally not necessary. But, the red and green options make shooting seem like Christmas...

19 posted on 10/14/2013 10:11:01 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Vendome

I don’t really want a rifle other than the one I have my eyes on. It will be months or years before I get it, but I want this one particular rifle. I need to know what optics I need, only.


20 posted on 10/14/2013 10:11:04 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz
Iron sights and lots of practice... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRKUMUPcR7k

21 posted on 10/14/2013 10:11:17 AM PDT by Errant
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To: humblegunner

I’d also want one of the magazines that never runs dry! Like they have in the movies!


22 posted on 10/14/2013 10:12:14 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Check out Redfield scopes. Made in Oregon. See at Cabelas, Midway.


23 posted on 10/14/2013 10:14:27 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Lazamataz

As long as it complies with all applicable regulations.. and isn’t all scary-looking.


24 posted on 10/14/2013 10:15:17 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Lazamataz
Check out Vortex Optics. Excellent quality and super customer service. Lifetime guarantee and no questions asked. They have several options for an AR15 type rifles in your price range.
25 posted on 10/14/2013 10:17:11 AM PDT by suijuris
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To: Lazamataz
The Aimpoint Red Dot® is holographic (as contrasted with reflex). I've been getting good service out of the Aimpoint PRO.

The 3x is usually extra $ but you may find packages.

26 posted on 10/14/2013 10:17:27 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: Lazamataz

Have some experience with this Rifle Scope. For a Entry level this is a decent Scope.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Simmons-8-point-rifle-scope-3-9-x-50-Matte-Black-Free-Mounts-D-Tail-SC0186-/141081705844?pt=AU_Hunting&hash=item20d91ffd74

If you are thinking of a Rifle that shoots Magnum Loads I would suggest The better scopes like leupold, Burris etc.


27 posted on 10/14/2013 10:19:12 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: Lazamataz

I have had very good results with the Nikon M-223 series. They are designed to compensate for the drop of the 55 grain boat tail bullet. Once sighted in they can be dialed to another range without counting “clicks” just spin the knob from 100 to 200 and you are right there.


28 posted on 10/14/2013 10:20:03 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Lazamataz

Just noticed I read past your $500 qualifier. Aimpoint’s spendy. The market has a number of decent less expensive alternatives to Aimpoint and EOtech these days. I see some posters have already chimed in with suggestions.


29 posted on 10/14/2013 10:20:32 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: Lazamataz

You really can’t go wrong with Aimpoint red dots. Try http://www.gggaz.com/best-value-packages.html for decent pricing packages for scope and mount.


30 posted on 10/14/2013 10:20:43 AM PDT by apoxonu
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To: Lazamataz

Lucid HD-7.

http://www.mylucidgear.com/

Then again, I’m running a Vortex Strike Fire and kinda like it.


31 posted on 10/14/2013 10:21:51 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Lazamataz

Take a look at Sightron scopes, the SIIs and Big Sky scopes. They have great optics with a good warranty. In your price range the Bushnell elites, 4000 series would also be a good choice, also with good optics and a good warranty.


32 posted on 10/14/2013 10:23:01 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Lazamataz

http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/Nikon-Products/Scopes/AR-MSR/index.page

I have a 3x12 on a bolt gun and the 1x4 on an AR.


33 posted on 10/14/2013 10:23:10 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Lazamataz

I just put a Trijicon RX01 reflex sight on my AR-15, and I’m happy with it. The RX01 has a 6.5 MOA amber dot, which works well with my 60-yr old eyes. It’s big enough to see quickly at short distances, and small enough for reasonable precision at 100 yards.

I can still use iron sights at my age, but I’m slow. The amber dot on the reflex sight allows me to shoot much faster if necessary. What’s great about this reflex sight is that it doesn’t have a battery; it uses fiber optics for daylight, and tritium for low light.

One big advantage of this type of sight is that you don’t need to center the dot in the optic for an accurate shot. As long as the dot is on the target, the point of impact is correct. It’s almost like cheating.

Overall, the number of choices can be overwhelming. But I’m happy with the Trijicon.


34 posted on 10/14/2013 10:23:20 AM PDT by 04-Bravo
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To: Lazamataz

Unless the ammo situation changes you can use an AR-15 to club someone to death.


35 posted on 10/14/2013 10:23:32 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: Lazamataz

Believe or not, scopes designed for air rifles are way more rugged and abuse resistant than those designed for firearms type rifles. Apparently firearms put all the energy in one direction, whereas air rifles are a dual mode shock with very heavy vibration. As for mounts, they are interchangeable. Just buy a good competition scope and you’ll be fine.


36 posted on 10/14/2013 10:23:38 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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To: DBrow; Lazamataz

I’m running an MATECH rear with a LaRue flip-up front. On a flat-top upper, I’m co-witnessing through my Vortex.

Works just fine. Acquisition with “both eyes open”/heads-up movement is natural. Use my rig for 3-gun/zombie hunts.


37 posted on 10/14/2013 10:25:11 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Lazamataz

I’d go as high-end as I could possibly afford, in the hope that it would be more rugged and reliable.

Personally I’d suggest a 1x or 1.5x minimum magnification in a variable, no reason not to have some magnification in case you want or need it. Something like this would do nicely:

http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product2.php?id=AccuPoint&mid=1-4x24

With 4x you’d have no problem hitting zombie sized targets at 500 meters, which is about the practical limit for 5.56. My preference is the German #4 reticle. I strongly suggest practicing shooting with both eyes open.


38 posted on 10/14/2013 10:26:31 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty

Oops, forgot to point out that his has an illuminated dot, but doesn’t require batteries.


39 posted on 10/14/2013 10:27:16 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: Lazamataz

of course, i don’t actually own one either.... but if i was i was learning about scopes, i’d post here for advice and then i’d go and get a cheapy or used one first, just to learn how to do all the finicky, adjusty things so i wouldn’t scare myself too much.


40 posted on 10/14/2013 10:28:22 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: Lazamataz
Make sure to get a Mil-Dot reticle.

Sight-in once and follow the dots.


41 posted on 10/14/2013 10:30:12 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Lazamataz

Aimpoint or EOtech.

Go to the store and handle them till you are comfortable with which one you want.


42 posted on 10/14/2013 10:38:32 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome; All

Too many responses to answer them all. THANK YOU EVERYONE and keep recommending.... right down to model number. Freepers ROCK!


43 posted on 10/14/2013 10:39:46 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Leatherwood CMR 1 to 4 power, lighted reticle. Good quality glass, on 1X it’s great for close-in work and 4X is good for 300 yds or so. About 300 bucks depending on where you buy it


44 posted on 10/14/2013 10:45:48 AM PDT by technically right
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To: Lazamataz

Laz - I too have owned and shot an AR-15 Optical Ready Carbine, but of course sold mine to a private party 10 months ago.

That rifle had an EOTECH HOLOGRAPHIC sight on it that was AMAZING. If the red dot was on the target, that is what you hit. Target acquisition and sight picture were great.

No magnification, so keep your use case in mind. But it was exactly what I wanted.

You might prefer the 4X scopes out there. All depends on your intent.


45 posted on 10/14/2013 10:47:18 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Lazamataz

here ya go - the EOTECH

http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/453878/eotech-512-holographic-weapon-sight-65-moa-circle-with-1-moa-dot-reticle-matte-aa-battery

Shop around for price.


46 posted on 10/14/2013 10:50:01 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Lazamataz
*If* you decide on an L3 EOTech, get a model that uses CR123-type batteries rather than AA or 'N-type' batteries. These will usually be the models with a model name containing 'XPS'.

Also, you don't want or need a 'Night Vision'-compatible EOTech model even if you own night vision.

47 posted on 10/14/2013 11:02:20 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Lazamataz

Boating accident Ping!


48 posted on 10/14/2013 11:08:53 AM PDT by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: Blueflag; All

I’m suddenly limited, financially, to around 400. I’m looking at this one: What do you think?

http://www.opticsplanet.com/aimpoint-pro-patrol-rifle-optic-red-dot-riflescope-30mm.html


49 posted on 10/14/2013 11:09:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: DBrow

I used to be an iron sights only guy until my eyes got old. Can’t see the front sight with glasses off, can’t see target with glasses on.

With red dot, old eyes can see both, I haven’t tried holographic yet, sounds futuristic.


50 posted on 10/14/2013 11:13:24 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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