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Ordinary Women: Wendy Lower Talks About ‘Hitler’s Furies’
New York Times ^ | October 14, 2013

Posted on 10/15/2013 2:49:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway

In “Hitler’s Furies,” recently placed on the long list for the National Book Award, Wendy Lower presents the harrowing evidence of crimes committed by German women during the Holocaust. Dwight Garner wrote that previous books “have offered up poster girls of brutality and atrocity” and “Ms. Lower’s revisionist insight is to track more mundane lives, and to argue for a vastly wider complicity.” In a recent e-mail interview, Ms. Lower discussed the changing view of women’s role in the Nazi regime, the challenges of writing for a non-academic audience, what she found most shocking in her research and more. Below are edited excerpts from the conversation:

Q. What did you discover that most surprised you while researching and writing the book?

A.

I had read about the cruelties of male perpetrators in militarized killing units, such as the “ordinary men” Christopher Browning wrote about, but the settings and forms of violence perpetrated by German women surprised and puzzled me. Of course we know that women can be violent, but how does one explain someone like Liesel Willhaus, who killed Jews for sport from her balcony with her child at her side?

(Excerpt) Read more at artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; History
KEYWORDS: christopherbrowning; dwightgarner; germany; holocaust; lieselwillhaus; pages; theholocaust; thirdreich; trudekorner; wendylower
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1 posted on 10/15/2013 2:49:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Alfred Hitchcock tried to educate us regarding the “banality of evil” but we didn’t learn our lessons like we should of. Now we’re seeing it live and in person in our daily lives and interestingly going back in history and learning about it from an historical perspective. I don’t think Hitch would be surprised to read this.


2 posted on 10/15/2013 2:51:09 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: nickcarraway
how does one explain someone like Liesel Willhaus, who killed Jews for sport from her balcony with her child at her side?

Ask Cher, she seems to be thrilled with the prospect of killing conservatives.
3 posted on 10/15/2013 2:52:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
“''The Banality Of Evil''’’ is attributable to author Hannah Arendt.
4 posted on 10/15/2013 2:57:13 PM PDT by jmacusa (I don't think so, but I doubt it.)
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To: nickcarraway

Check out Erma Griese,a female SS guard at Buchenwald.


5 posted on 10/15/2013 2:58:39 PM PDT by jmacusa (I don't think so, but I doubt it.)
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To: jmacusa

It all started with the children in the schools.


6 posted on 10/15/2013 3:00:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

how does one explain someone like Liesel Willhaus, who killed Jews for sport from her balcony with her child at her side?

Ask Cher, she seems to be thrilled with the prospect of killing conservatives.

Every society has their share, Cher?, of sick individuals. Not condoning, excusing or dismissing, but seems to me that the Japanese were just as horrible as the Germans in the mistreatment of conquered peoples(nothing like the mass murder of the Jews)and probably surpassed the Germans in their “medical” experimentation on prisoners and innocents.


7 posted on 10/15/2013 3:02:08 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: cripplecreek

I agree ‘’cripplecreek’’. The truth is though The Holocaust began the moment Adolph Hitler opened his mouth and the German people shut theirs.


8 posted on 10/15/2013 3:02:45 PM PDT by jmacusa (I don't think so, but I doubt it.)
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To: jmacusa; 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
I think he means that Hitchcock showed it in movies like , and Notorious long before Arendt wrote that.
9 posted on 10/15/2013 3:04:29 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

The Holocaust could not be possible without significant involvement of the ordinary German folk. It’s foolish to imagine that 6+ million people could be snuffed out without the participation of the common ‘myriad small creatures’ that populated Germany.

It’s a hard lesson in there for the rest of us, that if such a thing could happen in a culture “blessed” by an enlightenment of sorts, it can happen anywhere else, too. You don’t always need to be primitive to become barbarian.


10 posted on 10/15/2013 3:06:22 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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6 million? Wasn’t it 13 million? Only some of them count?


11 posted on 10/15/2013 3:10:11 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: James C. Bennett
The story of how and why the German people did what they did in their own words.

Third Reich - The Rise 1/6

Its particularly horrifying to anyone who pays real attention to the America of today.
12 posted on 10/15/2013 3:13:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: nickcarraway

We have a winner!! 13 Million people killed. Why the extra 7 million are left out by some is a mystery to me.


13 posted on 10/15/2013 3:15:50 PM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: nickcarraway; GeronL; Revolting cat!

So much for the myths that there would be no war if women or gheys ruled the world.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/9896829/Morrissey-If-men-were-homosexual-there-would-be-no-wars.html


14 posted on 10/15/2013 3:19:23 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: MotorCityBuck

Stalin’s 20 million killed get overlooked as well.

Then again, the Hollywood Reds were big on carrying about Mao’s Little Red Book.

So clearly dead bodies alone don’t generate headlines or writeups in the history books.


15 posted on 10/15/2013 3:22:06 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: James C. Bennett

over 50 million kids have been killed by their mothers in America since 1973.


16 posted on 10/15/2013 3:24:11 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: nickcarraway

If you want to write a best seller, you only need 3 subjects. 1. Anything on SEX.
2. How to make a Million without working.
3. Put Hitler in the title.


17 posted on 10/15/2013 3:31:32 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Remember Ty Woods? Glenn Doherty ? Forgot already?)
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To: nickcarraway
I ‘m not as condemning the German people when one looks at the choices they had:

1) Elect the same people that led them into WW1 and the economic crisis that followed.(Yes I know German had a Kaiser)

2) Communists and the slaughter that the Reds committed in Russia.

3)Elect the Nazis that promised to protect them from the horrors of an Russian led communist revolution and they also offered reforms that the conservative parties were reluctant to follow through.

It's damned easy to condemn those without the benefit of hindsight.

Germans could just as easily point the finger of blame to Americans for four hundred years of genocide, rape and slavery....

Nobody's hands are so clean...

18 posted on 10/15/2013 3:32:06 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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>> It’s foolish to imagine that 6+ million people could be snuffed out without the participation of the common ‘myriad small creatures’ that populated Germany.

My ex mother-in-law (now 15 years in her grave) was an Austrian; born in Vienna, and a teenager in WWII. She married a Hungarian, and later escaped from Budapest during the 1957 revolution, came to the USA, and became naturalized American citizen.

On one occasion we were visiting Vienna, and we passed a side street named Judengasse (the “little street of the Jews”). I asked “did you know what was going on then with the deportations?” Her answer: “What do you think we were - stupid? Of course we knew. Jews on Friday; Nazis on Monday.”


19 posted on 10/15/2013 3:33:08 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Mastador1

You mean like killing children and mothers...


20 posted on 10/15/2013 3:34:10 PM PDT by GraceG
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