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Posted on 10/15/2013 9:48:37 PM PDT by Olog-hai
Pope Francis said it is true that in the past, people with epilepsy might have been mischaracterized as being possessed by demons, but that confusion did not refute the fact that the Devil exists and is so important that he “is on the first page of the Bible” and at the Bible’s end, “with the victory of God over the Devil.” …
As for his comments on Satan and other demons, the Pope said, “Some may say, ‘But Father, you’re too old-fashioned. You’re frightening us with these things.’ No, it’s not me! It is the Gospel! And these are not lies: it is the Word of the Lord. Let us ask the Lord for the grace to take these things seriously. He came to fight for our salvation. He won against the Devil. Please, let’s not do business with the Devil. He wants to come back home, to take possession … Don’t accept relativism; be vigilant. And always with Jesus!” …
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I am not sure what to make of Francis.
He is kinda like Ted Cruz.
Rocking the boat while gently guiding the oar.
I suspect something got lost in the translation of what the Pope said. Besides that, since “In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth...” includes EVERYTHING that was created, including the angels who became fallen angels...then yes, the devil, like Adam and Eve, is on the first page.
Unfortunately, he's more like Obama.
“Please, let’s not do business with the Devil”
Maybe the Pope can perform an exorcism at the White House and rid us of His Satanic Majesty and his she-devil.
Sounds like he needs a new translator.
Time will tell.
He certainly is in the camp of the poor, but the rich tend to be poor too.
Only Salvation matters
Actually, on Day 1 God created time (in the beginning), space (heavens), matter (Earth), light and a method of measuring time (evening and morning were first day). Angels were likely created on day 2 (Psalm 104, Job 38:1-7), Adam on Day 6. Not the first page for Adam, unless it is #6 font on Family size Bible. The serpent (Satan) is not mentioned until Chapter 3.
Come on you lot are none of you going to take the positive this guys says and praise those words. So many other churches have minimized the devil to a cartoon character (if he even exists to them). To those who have truly battled him it is no joke and nothing to be trivialized. The Pope also is right in this day that relativism is one of the devils favorite tools so “Don’t accept relativism; be vigilant. And always with Jesus!” Is a radical message to the world.
Mel
God created Lucifer, the angel of light. He became Satan after the fall - so Satan isn’t mentioned on the first page.
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Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
It is a great stretch to read “rebel” or satan into this passage - to the point of misreading, I believe.
What is the basis for interpreting the tree as satan? Your claim means God created satan and evil. Yet God looked upon His creation and saw that it was good - that could not have included evil...ergo satan was not fallen at that moment.
It is a great stretch to read “rebel” or satan into this passage - to the point of misreading, I believe. What is the basis for interpreting the tree as satan? Your claim means God created satan and evil. Yet God looked upon His creation and saw that it was good - that could not have included evil...ergo satan was not fallen at that moment.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD That created the heavens; God Himself That formed the earth and made it; HE hath established it, He created it NOT in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: "I am the LORD;
and there is none else.
No stretch at all if one knows the Scripture. Isaiah 14:12- and Ezekiel 28:12- both describe the 'rebellion' and the 'overthrow/casting down of the first rebel. The rebellion took place before this flesh age. Just as Peter describes in IIPeter 3 and Jeremiah references in Jeremiah 4:22-28
God did not create Lucifer 'evil', but God did give Lucifer free will and Lucifer loved himself more than he loved the Creator. Lucifer was the first narcissist and sinner. Consider what the devil offered Christ called the temptation of Christ, not that Christ was tempted, but a lesson for what the tribulation of deception will be.
This word 'page' that some are so exercised about.
page
"sheet of paper," 1580s, from Middle French page, from Old French pagene "page, text" (12c.), from Latin pagina "page, leaf of paper, strip of papyrus fastened to others"
In (for instance) my Burns & Oates copy of the Knox translation of the Bible: the Devil is mentioned on the first pagene, leaf of paper comprising the text.
Perhaps now the thread can get back to praising the Pope for correctly affirming the existence of the evil one?
Sorry I missed this question.
IF one reads Ezekiel 28:13 Thou has been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in the in the day that thou wast created
I guess my catechism is out of date; the priests and nuns never taught me that God created anything evil.
> “Unfortunately, he’s more like Obama.”
Why would one think this? I haven’t seen anything, and I haven’t seen everything concerning this Pope, that would indicate he has a hidden agenda or is not obedient to God.
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