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First Americans came from Europe NOT Asia?
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 2-28-2012 | Jill Reilly

Posted on 10/18/2013 1:13:08 PM PDT by Renfield

America was first discovered by Stone Age hunters from Europe, according to new archaeological evidence.

Across six locations on the U.S. east coast, several dozen stone tools have been found.

After close analysis it was discovered that they were between 19,000 and 26,000 years old and were a European-style of tool.

The discovery suggests that the owners of the tools arrived 10,000 years before the ancestors of the American Indians set foot in the New World, reported The Independent...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: archaeology; clovis; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble
Somehow I missed this article back when it first came out in print.

Related video from Smithsonian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS9mv3-UNiQ

1 posted on 10/18/2013 1:13:08 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 10/18/2013 1:13:25 PM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: blam

Ping.


3 posted on 10/18/2013 1:14:22 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Renfield
"Yo, Luigi, Staten Island?"

Waddayou, stupid? That's Brooklyn"

4 posted on 10/18/2013 1:16:50 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( "Obama, The Movie" Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica! ")
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To: Renfield

Well, well, well. So I the Europeans after Columbus just took back the land that the Indians originally stole from them.


5 posted on 10/18/2013 1:17:30 PM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Renfield

The Solutrian Migration at the end of the last ice age. I first saw articles and a documentary about this at least 8 years ago. Very credible, found evidence along the southern east coast as well as other places across North America. Alas, not politically correct regardless of the evidence, at least for now.


6 posted on 10/18/2013 1:17:52 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Renfield
Scattered or grouped? Planted?????
7 posted on 10/18/2013 1:19:10 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Renfield
My twitter handle is @Solutrean
8 posted on 10/18/2013 1:21:02 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Renfield

Progressive apologists heads are going to explode...


9 posted on 10/18/2013 1:23:53 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Renfield

After were all gone, I wonder what aliens would think if the only thing they could find was the Ripley Believe it or not museum?


10 posted on 10/18/2013 1:32:22 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: Renfield

The Washington Redskins will now be known as:

The Washington Post-Clovis, Asian Migrants


11 posted on 10/18/2013 1:32:37 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Renfield

I want my casino, and I want it now!


12 posted on 10/18/2013 1:36:51 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Renfield

This is such liberal racism. Ok. How about monkeys came to Africa before humans. Please, someone call Peta to shut horse races n kennel clubs along with the NFL.


13 posted on 10/18/2013 1:36:59 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Renfield

My Apache wife will not be amused.


14 posted on 10/18/2013 1:48:26 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Renfield

Wait, how does this new ‘revelation’/’theory’ affect the bashing on Redskins again?

/s


15 posted on 10/18/2013 1:49:40 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

fyi - The ESPN anchors said “Chicago Bears against Washington”.

Conveniently omit mentioning Redskins.


16 posted on 10/18/2013 1:51:38 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Renfield

BooYa

I am now a member of the indigenous first nation peoples

I should apply to be a Harvard professor as a special minority program.
high cheekbones- check


17 posted on 10/18/2013 1:52:16 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Renfield; SunkenCiv

Archeology and DNA studies prove that there was far greater pinprick movement of peoples than earlier studies had ever imagined. Still, very few of these were for any length of time or purposeful, with the exception at present day knowledge of the Vikings in Greenland and L’Anse aux Meadows on the northern tip of the island of Newfoundland.

Landings by hunter-gatherers, by storm-tossed sailors and unintentional stops for water and food are by chance and end with no lasting contact or permanent results.

So no matter how the history is told, the one permanent results discovery is that of 1492!


18 posted on 10/18/2013 2:00:11 PM PDT by SES1066 (To expect courteous government is insanity!)
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To: Renfield

Guess we just were taking back our country from the asian and south american invaders, then.


19 posted on 10/18/2013 2:03:15 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Renfield; SunkenCiv

Stone ships??


20 posted on 10/18/2013 2:07:43 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Renfield

I’ve been following the articles and documentaries on this for 8-10 years, and it makes me gleeful to think of all the snobs of the Asians-were-first debate who now find that Indians/Native Americans were/are a mixed race after all-at least for the last 10,000 or so years. Cancel the reparations for one and all and open casinos instead-makes a lot more sense and money...

I doubt that racial purity has existed in any big way since some group of Neanderthals and a group of Homo Sapiens had a confab beside a campfire in what is now Spain/France and traded spearheads, pelts and shells for fish hooks, hunting strategies and mates-it is still what people do if left to their own devices ...


21 posted on 10/18/2013 2:15:18 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: SES1066

This study seem to show that Europeans were here more than 10-12 thousand years ago and perhaps as long as 26 thousand years ago, while the DNA evidence shows no trace of Europeans them. This seems to fit the Saginaw manifold hypothesis as the reason for the megafauna extinction and the vanished European population, followed by re-population from Asia. It probably rained for more than 40 days and 40 nights in the western hemisphere, with North America being pocked with Carolina Bays. Just my SWAG.


22 posted on 10/18/2013 3:07:32 PM PDT by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: SC_Pete

The Washington PCAM’s?


23 posted on 10/18/2013 3:07:33 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: Black Agnes
Immigrants From The Other Side (Clovis Is Solutrean?)

The First Americans(European DNA)

America 'discovered by Stone Age hunters from Europe'

24 posted on 10/18/2013 3:08:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: SC_Pete
The Washington PCAM’s?..no
How about Washington Asian Migrants Post Clovis...
Or Washington Am PC for short
25 posted on 10/18/2013 3:12:17 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: Renfield

Don’t look for this information in American publications - it runs contrary to Political Correctness, and will be suppressed.


26 posted on 10/18/2013 4:03:36 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Renfield

I know this stuff is interesting. But does it really matter?

Humans have been roaming around for a long time. As long as there have been men in boats, there have been humans all over the earth.

I know people who have sailed across the ocean in what I would refer to as small craft.

It doesn’t really matter who was here first. We did a pretty good job killing them when we showed up. (And not intentionally, I might add. Who knew they had never had small pox?)


27 posted on 10/18/2013 5:11:48 PM PDT by Vermont Lt ( 1-800-318-2596, Mr President.)
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To: RJS1950

NOVA Nov. 9, 2004 America’s Stone Age Explorers
When they did a DNA test on the Ojibwa Tribe about 25% of it had chromosome X only found in Europe.


28 posted on 10/18/2013 6:15:00 PM PDT by jacob allen
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To: jacob allen
"When they did a DNA test on the Ojibwa Tribe about 25% of it had chromosome X only found in Europe."

Yup.

Take the Journey Of Mankind, they are the people you see at about the 20-25,000 time frame in the NE US...except, they came across the Atlantic ice, not out of Asia.

29 posted on 10/18/2013 7:49:44 PM PDT by blam
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To: Renfield; SES1066; GeronL; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; ...

Thanks Renfield, SES1066, and GeronL. The evidence for continual colonization is found nearly everywhere in the Americas; there has been little genetic evidence because the number of precolumbian remains is very small, and studies of current DNA samples show what exists today, and little else.

Based on the homogeneity of the language groups, the colonization of northernmost North America from Siberia, and vice versa, apparently took place a very short time ago, or just wasn't of much interest to anyone. The 'Red Paint' culture appears to have been distributed all around the Arctic Ocean shoreline, but is believed to antedate the current "indigenous" peoples by thousands of years. They vanished, or vacated to warmer areas.

Seems like a good weekly digest topic ping, btw.

30 posted on 10/18/2013 7:50:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Interesting this one came up again.

Right now is the annual PaleoAmerican Conf.[I wish I was there]

The Tweets coming out right now.

Ie: 'Wllierslev: 24,000-yr-old Siberian Mal'ta person geneticall similar to native amer and west eurasians. No east asian'

31 posted on 10/18/2013 8:25:44 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: SunkenCiv

So, you think they came from both directions?


32 posted on 10/18/2013 8:43:44 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: SunkenCiv

There is quite strong evidence that the peculiar, almost elemental, copper deposits of the Michigan Upper Peninsula were the primary source of copper for Bronze during the Bronze Age. Sunken boats have been found in the Mediterranean with these peculiar metals. Indians have stories of tall, light-skinned explorers/extractors who managed mining and distribution of this copper.

Of course, the time of the Bronze Age (3600-1200 BC) does not represent the earlier epoch which this article refers to. However, it is strong evidence of longstanding voyages between Europe and the New World.


33 posted on 10/18/2013 9:24:30 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: GeronL

There's no longer any reason to believe that the direction of travel was from west to east and no other way -- mainly because the idea that the peopling of the Americas happened once and took place because the seafloor was exposed has just about died. It stunk long before it died. :')

South America's precolumbian languages have been described as "a delirious, kaleidoscopic riot" meaning they had a long time to develop and/or entered at different times over a very long period. Then there are the blood type A Basques, whose Euskara language is an isolate -- in Europe:
America B.C.
by Barry Fell
(1976)
find it in a nearby library
A fascinating letter I received from a Shoshone Indian who had been traveling in the Basque country of Spain tells of his recognition of Shoshone words over there, including his own name, whose Shoshone meaning proved to match the meaning attached to a similar word by the modern Basques. Unfortunately I mislaid this interesting letter. If the Shoshone scholar who wrote to me should chance to see these words I hope he will forgive me and contact me again. The modern Basque settlers of Idaho may perhaps bring forth a linguist to investigate matters raised in this chapter. [p 173]

34 posted on 10/18/2013 10:19:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Fractal Trader

While it’s possible copper crossed the Atlantic, more is known about the use and (overland, riverine) trade of copper in precolumbian America. In the Mediterranean, the copper of Cyprus shipped as “oxhide” ingots (easier to handle and carry) was mined and traded for a long, long time, and those ingots show up on wrecks and in the ruins of ancient cities.

Romans in Brazil During the Second or Third Century?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1248340/posts


35 posted on 10/18/2013 10:25:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Theoria

Thanks Theoria, looks fun.


36 posted on 10/18/2013 10:31:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Renfield

Just a bit o’ the ol’ nitpickering, but...

The first Americans came from the colonies.


37 posted on 10/18/2013 11:19:34 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: GeronL

Hide hulls stretched over a wooden and/or whalebone frame. These ships, while sufficiently sturdy, were lightweight, and could be pulled up onto the shore (or ice floe), and overturned to provide a shelter. These boats persisted into neolithic times, and there are engravings of them in stone, across northern Scandinavia and Karelia.


38 posted on 10/19/2013 2:24:15 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Theoria; SunkenCiv
Paleoamerican Odyssey Conference: Ancient Mal’ta DNA, Ice-Free Corridor, Back Migrations to the Old World and Craniofacial Diversity in the New World

"German Dziebel October 19, 2013 at 5:39 am · Reply →"

"What happened is that I wrote a post about Mal’ta but then talked to Eske and he seemed to be uncomfortable with having it out there, while he’s still under the embargo with Nature. I suggested I take the post down and he said “yes, that’d be better.” But, well, okay: it’s mtDNA U and Y-DNA R. No connection with East Asians but midway between West Eurasians and Amerindians."

Hmmmm.

I'm R1b and my grandmother is U5a.

39 posted on 10/19/2013 5:22:30 AM PDT by blam
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To: GeronL

Ice bridges.


40 posted on 10/19/2013 5:59:39 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: jacob allen

That’s the one I remember. We were visiting out middle son in Maryland, near where some of their sites are. I’ve always remembered reading the first hand accounts of the early English settlers who wrote that the “indians” seemed to look very European, some with blue eyes.


41 posted on 10/19/2013 8:58:26 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Renfield

I do believe that in ancient and medieval time, people got around a lot more than we think they did.


42 posted on 10/19/2013 9:13:34 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (I miss you, Whitey! (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012) It has been a year, rest in peace, pretty girl!)
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To: Renfield

I always thought some larger wooden ships could be built for the purpose of being turned over on land as a shelter. Not that I could figure out how to do that.


43 posted on 10/19/2013 9:53:47 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: blam

Thanks blam.


44 posted on 10/19/2013 10:01:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Grimmy

45 posted on 10/19/2013 10:39:24 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Theoria; SunkenCiv

Santa Fe is one of my very favorite places. Sigh.


46 posted on 10/23/2013 1:17:44 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv

Wow, even the Romans had heard about Rio Carnival?


47 posted on 10/23/2013 1:20:43 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Renfield
Earlier Americans came from Europe, not Asia. "-est" should not be used. We will never know whether or not we know earliest.
48 posted on 10/28/2013 12:19:11 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (Khách sang La Vang hanh huong tham vieng Maria)
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