Skip to comments.Any pinglist for moving overseas?
Posted on 10/18/2013 2:46:47 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
The older I get the more I fear that I will not be able to afford to live in the country I was born in and thought I would die in. We're basically left with the choice of burning through all of our savings until we end up living out our days on the dole or selling out and moving someplace with a low enough cost of living to allow my wife and I to live out our retirement in dignity. Right now we are looking at Ecuador based on the positive experiences of friends that successfully retired there and are very happy with their choice, but there are lots of other choices. None as good as here but I figure we may as well move to a third world country now than stay behind and watch the country we love turn into one.
Are there any groups discussing overseas retirement that I can ping to?
Good places are getting scarce, and for the same reasons. You may have to wait for after the next world war. It’s coming.
This is an excerpt of a post I made on another thread...
... But, I have been living well by myself. I hired a housekeeper to clean and cook. That cost me about 2500 pesos a month. I bought a Honda scooter for my basic transportation for 62,000 pesos. You can buy autos here of course, both new and used, but I used my fathers Lambretta when I was a kid, and this one looks and rides the same. I also use the tricycles and multi-cabs when warranted, and pay eight pesos into town and eight pesos home.
I chose the Philippines because English is widely spoken here. It is a Christian nation, largely Roman Catholic, and the people are the friendliest in the world. I’ve known Filipinos all my life. They are family oriented and enjoys simple life. I’ve made friends here that are millionaires and others that live in bamboo houses. They all treat me the same, as I do them. Because I am a foreigner, the children all giggle when I say hello, and smiles abound from everyone.
So, if anybody is interested in a new place to live, I can recommend the Philippines. There are other FReepers already here and room for more. You can live cheaply, and comfortably. With my MacBook and FaceTime, I can video chat with my loved ones and friends on my high-speed Internet service. You can have an iPhone here or a Blackberry, and every comfort you need.
for more information about the place overall:
and a continuing conversation with all sorts of questions and answers can be found here:
Exchange rate today:
1 US Dollar equals
43.06 Philippine Peso
All that great except you can’t own a gun or do any shooting or hunting as I understand it. Deal killer for me.
Me too. I refuse to live anywhere that I am prohibited from being able to protect myself.
Me three. I’ve known a bunch of Filipinos(as) from my years in the USAF, though I never got stationed there. Nice people. OTH, anyplace I can’t legally own firearms, I’m not going there. Heck, that’s why I no longer live in the state I was born in, California. Too many restrictions on a right. I left there in 1973, only been back on family visits, and since my mom’s death, I have no further reason to return.
There are expatriate communities in most countries you would want to retire to and they have the same social lives you would have anywhere in the world. So you would meet single men, single women and couples pretty fast. You wouldn't be any more alone than you are now and I doubt it would be hard finding companionship whether it be for a shopping trip, a meal in a cafe or a night on the town. There are even Facebook groups for just about any place you would consider moving to so you could make friends before ever leaving your front door in the states. That is one of the main reasons we are looking at Ecuador. We would have local contacts before we even bought an airline ticket.
There are two places you might consider - Argentina and the Philippines. I had a job some years ago in Buenos Aires and really liked the city and the people. BA has a large contingent of retired British whose money goes farther there than other places they researched.
The Philippines is another. I know that other posters have suggested the P.I to you and I second . . . or third . . . . or twelfth those recommendations. I was stationed in the P.I and really like both the country and the people. The people are friendly, industrious and have great senses of humor. Also, one of the guys I served with is married to a Filipino and, even to this day, he still goes back there to stay for months on end.
Both locations are well worth considering. One other possibility that I know very little about is Ireland. I hear that it is a nice place to live but I don’t know what the exchange rate is or the scale of economies.
Within ten years, you won't be able to do those things in the USA, either.
You can join a gun club and store your guns there. There are tons of them and they have firing ranges. I own a pistol and a shotgun. They must have separate transport from your person by an authorized license holder.
It isn't generally accepted policy, but some jurisdictions allow you to keep them at home and use them for hunting. They all must be licensed. You can do further research by contacting the Embassy, or the Police Chief of the city you intend to reside.
Tourist Visa holders are not able to have them. Legal residents possibly can. They all forbid the carry right during election cycles due to past problems of assassinations, intimidation, etc.
General Policies on Firearms: Permit To Carry Firearm Outside of Residence - is written authority issued to any person by the Chief of Constabulary which entitles such person o carry his licensed or lawfully issued firearms outside of residence for the duration and purpose specified therein.
Residence refers to that place where the firearm and ammunition is being permanently kept. It includes the office or house where it is kept and premises of the house enclosed by walls and gates separating said premises from adjacent properties. For firearms covered by a Regular License or Special Permit their residence shall be hat specified in the license or permit; and those covered by a Certificate of Registration or a Memorandum Receipt their residence in the office/station to which the grantee belongs.
NUMBER AND TYPES OF FIREARMS THAT MAY BE POSSESSED
Each individual may hold under license a maximum of only one (1) low-powered rifle caliber 22 or shotgun not heavier than 12 gauge and one (1) pistol or revolver, not higher than caliber .38 except caliber .357 and caliber .22 center fire magnum and those which may later be classified by the Chief, Philippine National Police (C, PNP) as high-powered regardless of the type, make or caliber.
... Under our present laws, the possession of firearms by foreigners shall be in accordance with pertinent rules and regulations promulgated by competent authority.
...The licensed firearms of American businessman Robert Nicolas Granthom was released yesterday after Judge Soliver Peras signed the motion to release them. Atty. Noel Archival, counsel of Granthom, told The FREEMAN over phone interview that the firearms were released around 3:30 p.m. yesterday. Granthom, 41, through Archival, has filed a motion in court to release his licensed firearms. Archival said the low-powered firearms are still under the custody of Peras but he added they will gradually get back all the firearms of Granthom. Peras has ordered his sheriff to accompany Granthom and Archival as they bring the firearms to the residence of Granthom to avoid being apprehended because of the existing gun ban because of the barangay election. The firearms were confiscated from the custody of Granthom in his residence on V. Ranudo St., Barangay Cogon-Ramos, Cebu City with the virtue of search warrant issued by Peras. Operatives of the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) were able to confiscate CZ 9mm pistol, a Walther P22 with silencer, a H&K 9 mm pistol, a Walther G22 rifle, and a KWC airsoft pistol, a 10 M-16 magazines, three boxes of Remington 9mm ammunition, another box containing live 9mm rounds, a box of M-16 rounds, a box containing caliber .45 cal. rounds, a .45 cal. barrel, and 41 .45 cal. rounds. -http://www.philippines-expats.com/topic/6479-foreigners-owning-guns/
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Filipinos are good people,
How would living in a foreign country be when the checks stop coming?
We just came back from Ecuador. Great place with great people.However,I’d check into the crime situation there.
A major consideration is that when SHTF, how will it be for strangers in a strange land? For those relying on SS or other US funds and/or bank accounts, how fast would the welcome mat be pulled up if/when the money runs out (or access cut off)?
If an expat is able to say, marry and/or otherwise integrate and earn a living within their local community, how does that work out when every finger is pointed at America for the world’s woes?
If SHTF locally (e.g. natural distasters, political unrest), how does the expat navigate through the turmoil? Language fluency can only go so far if you are at the bottom of the priority heap.
Not offering an opinion one way or the other, just what I think are legit questions that anyone thinking of leaving should consider (and should have good answers for). Kind of like a prepper checklist for living abroad.
BTW, I am presently on Tourist Visa, but am applying for permanent residence. That is why mine are now at the gun club, but I visit them often!!!
you can hire a live-in housekeeper for $58 us dollars a month and you are going to want to go hunting?
I previously admired Jim Rogers in his decision to move to Singapore, but I now consider him a chicken. Granted, he would be first in line for the firing squad given the amount of his assets should the government decide they want them.
The system will reset. Fact!
Could we (as informed citizens) influence the phoenix that will arise afterwards? Could you participate from overseas?
I often go hunting at the Mercado...
Do you really want to be a “Merkun” in a foreign country when it all comes apart?
How about a rural American community ?
Grow some food , hunt, and fish locally, too ?
“You can join a gun club and store your guns there.”
Kills it for me, right there. I’m a right of self-defense person, not a hunting & gun sports person, though I also enjoy hunting and gun sports. I have lived in places where you were not allowed to defend your self, family, or property, but not by choice. Five years in Las Vegas, NV, under government orders. Three years in the Republic of Turkey, likewise. Four years in Germany, also likewise. I’m retired, and no longer under government orders.
Last I heard, the PI still has a high crime rate, and portions have an islamofacist insurgency. Not my cuppa.
One more thing - Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan expects it all to fall apart in 2 - 5 years:
Do you expect to live more than two years?
Excuse me, where do you live? USA is a high crime area starting in Washington, DC.
There are rarely any times when you may need a gun at home. But, you can have one with a permit.Most subdivisions have armed guards and EVERY store has one or many.
“Excuse me, where do you live? USA is a high crime area starting in Washington, DC.
There are rarely any times when you may need a gun at home. But, you can have one with a permit.Most subdivisions have armed guards and EVERY store has one or many.”
Oklahoma city metro. Surrounded by gangstas. Also some nice people. Crime can happen anywhere, including in your home. I do not trust hired guards. There are not enough of them to go around, anyway. That would include cops, btw. Here, though, I don’t need a hired guard, nor a permit to defend me and mine. I and all my family can legally carry on our property. Naturally, YMMV.
Oh, and I grew up outside Los Angeles. I go nowhere unarmed. It may only be a sturdy ball-point pen, but I’ve got some sort of weapon everywhere I go. Yes, I’m paranoid. Or prepared. Not needed it yet, but that is the point, after all.
You can enjoy what you have, and I will certainly enjoy it here. I'm not a paranoid always looking over my shoulder. This place is great... for me!!!
Ba ZING !!!
I have been working offshore mostly since 2005. after most of it in the Middle East I have now been in the Philippines for over a year. I agree with the postings of the kindness of the Philippine people. I have been, so far, warmly welcomed everywhere. There are so many families with connected relatives in the USA here. The Philippine comment is that they had 300 years in a convent from Spanish rule and then 50 years in Hollywood from the US. Initially I found it interesting that more young Filipinos know who Douglas Mac Arthur was than most Americans. I can recommend the Philippines as a great place to retire and do so economically. I am an avid hunter and gun owner and would miss the hunting from my home in eastern Oregon. I think I would opt to travel back and forth If I lived here. Severing ones roots is not easy. I loved and miss the America I knew. I absolutely am sick in the changes, which may be intractable.
You sure are easy to please. Or you are exceedingly naive. Hard to say.
No, I'm just not afraid. It's hard to understand if you have a POV that requires you to be paranoid. I trust God to protect me, and if I die, it is gain! There is much more likelihood of getting hit by a bus! More than twice as many commit suicide... and I would think that guns play a big role there!
But the latest figures from the CDC show that murder fell again in 2010 to 16,065, the lowest rate since 1962.
Number of deaths for leading causes of death
Heart disease: 597,689
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
Alzheimer's disease: 83,494
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364
Pros and cons on Thailand?
We’re going cruising. Shopping for a new boat now. Planning on leaving in 2015. Live full time on the boat. Be gone for two three or more years. Maybe not come back.
I am not afraid. I simply take reasonable precautions and don’t depend upon God or the police to protect me. I know that I have the means whereby to protect myself.
As regards paranoia, that seems to be the standard liberal line in these matters...surely you know this. One does not display paranoia when one simply takes reasonable actions to protect himself.
Good luck with being stripped of the best means whereby to protect oneself (that would be firearms, especially for old folks). Perhaps you think the odds are with you there in the peaceful Philippines where bad people just aren’t a threat. I wouldn’t take that bet.
“...I chose the Philippines...”
Yes, Filipinos are nice folks. Michelle Malkin (daughter of Philippine parents) is exhibit one.
But I, like Michelle Malkin, am red, white and blue through and through and choose to stay here and struggle for the survival of our American Republic & Constitution.
Regarding Douglas MacArthur, one of my great- great grandfathers was Captain Arthur MacArthur’s First Sergeant in the 13 th Infantry and I think in Little Rock during the Occupation before that.
I recall my grandmother mentioning her mother and aunts interacting with little Dougie when they were kids. They were older and girls and he was a little boy and a pest. :)
We don't have America now. Obozo has successfully changed the landscape. If you still see some way through his morass, I'd like to know it.
I have high hopes that Sarah Palin would run. I think she has some sound ideas. But, even with her and 1000 more like her, it won't ever be the same again. Not in my expected lifetime, anyway.
Too many want to take... and there aren't enough to give! SS is a Ponzi scheme that has a short future ahead, I think. The takers have destroyed it prematurely, and the only hope for the Politicians is to find a way to inflate the money so people will die from starvation and no way to buy energy for heat!
I wish I were more positive about the future, but feel free to stay and ride the revolt. I will be here on the beach! I won't be lonely!
Here is more (not so) good news!
What sort of hoops do you have to go thru to get a residency card or citizenship? I don’t plan to have a Philippino wife...have a wife already.
I am applying for the quota immigrant visa. Last few years there have not been 50 Americans, so it is reasonable to assume the same for this year.
Under the conditions set forth in this Act, there may be admitted in the Philippines immigrants, termed "quota immigrants" not in excess of fifty (50) of any one nationality or without nationality for any one calendar year, except that the following immigrants, termed "non-quota immigrants", may be admitted without regard to such numerical limitations.
Other types of Resident (Permanent) Visas are:
NOTE: the following was posted a couple of months ago on the LITP# Yahoo Group site...
Here's what was posted: THE PHILIPPINES HAS ADDED ANOTHER OPTION TO THE SRRV COURTESY VISA. IF YOU ARE OVER 50 YEARS OLD, HAVE A PENSION/SIMILAR BENEFIT OF OVER $1,000.00 PER MONTH, SERVED HONORABLY IN THE MILITARY, HAVE A DD FORM-214 OR RETIRED MILITARY ID CARD , YOU MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS PROGRAM. NOTE: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE RETIRED MILITARY, JUST BE A VETERAN. COST IS $1400.00 APPLICATION FEE AND A $1500.00 DEPOSIT IN AN AUTHORIZED PHILIPPINE BANK (EXAMPLE: BANK OF COMMERCE) AND COMPLETE THE DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS
IF INTERESTED SEE PRA REP "CARLO" AT THE PRA OFFICE, ANGELES CITY LOCATED IN THE NEPO AREA AND ON THE 2ND FLOOR ABOVE DTI (DEPT OF TRADE AND INDUSTRY).. CARLO IS IN ANGELES CITY ON MON-WED-FRI AND SUBIC ON TUE-THU
. WITH THIS VISA, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO GO IN AND OUT OF THE PHILIPPINES ANYTIME YOU LIKE WITHOUT ADDITIONAL COST AND STAY AS LONG AS YOU DESIRE. THE ONLY ADDITIONAL COST IS THE ANNUAL CARD RENEWAL WHICH IS AROUND $10.00
. CARLO WILL RENEW WITHOUT THE RED TAPE
IF OUTSIDE OF THE PHILIPPINES YOU CAN APPLY AT ANY PHILIPPINE CONSULATE AND CITE PRA CIRCULAR 012 AS AUTHORITY
PRA WEB HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED TO INCLUDE THIS ADDITION AS OF THIS DATE
Note: X2 for the two of you!
I have read that right now the Philippines is considered the number 1 retirement haven in the world, with Ecuador as number 2. My brother is married to a Filipina who could probably set us up pretty well with some local connections. The only thing that keeps us from checking into it further is the distance. We live in Georgia, I've spent my life on the east coast and my wife is from the UK (another place that's quickly going down the toilet). That's why we've been looking into places like Ecuador, Panama, Costa Rica, etc., rather than Thailand, the Philippines, etc. even though Skype makes distances irrelevant.
Ferfal, who blogs about surviving economic meltdown in Argentina (which I believe would be the most likely scenario the USA would experience), has said that if he could go into a time machine and do it all over again his bugout plan would be to get out completely, not just to a bunker or the countryside but completely out to another country. So to an actual SHTF survivor being a stanger in a strange land would have been a better alternative than a target in his own land.
Yes, but when Argentina collapsed the whole world didn’t all of a sudden take to hating Argentinians.
That is unlikely to be the case when America collapses.
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