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Microsoft Pulls Windows 8.1 Update (Bricks RT Devices)
Mashable ^ | Oct 19, 2013 | Adario Strange

Posted on 10/19/2013 1:06:03 PM PDT by dayglored

The much-anticipated Windows 8.1 update was finally released on Thursday. Since then, however, early reports of bricked devices and lost data from some users indicate that the release may have been premature. In response, Microsoft took its Windows 8.1 update offline until further notice on Saturday.

The Redmond, Wash. company posted the following a message to its website:

Microsoft is investigating a situation affecting a limited number of users updating their Windows RT device to Windows RT 8.1. As a result, we have temporarily removed the Windows RT 8.1 update from the Windows Store. We are working to resolve the situation as quickly as possible and apologize for any inconvenience.
... there are, as of this writing, no official instructions from Microsoft regarding the issue, Ulanoff said the company advised him download an ISO file to a USB stick as a possible recovery tool for his device. Unfortunately, when Ulanoff attempted to retrieve the ISO file that Microsoft provided, he was unable to download it.

So far, the problem appears to be limited to Windows RT devices. How long will those who attempted to update their Windows RT devices have to wait for answers? According to Microsoft's website: “We will provide updates as they become available.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: epicfail; microsoft; miserablefailure; msn; rt; update; windows81; windowsrt
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Uh, oh. This appears to be limited to RT (ARM-based) devices, but a lot of people don't know the distinction, so it's bound to hurt the mainline Intel-based product also, which is a drag.

OTOH, this could be Microsoft's quiet effort to kill off RT, which has not done well. Shades of Win-ME, which was "broken by design" to kill off the DOS-based Windows product line.

Anyway, if you have RT devices, don't upgrade yet.

1 posted on 10/19/2013 1:06:03 PM PDT by dayglored
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2 posted on 10/19/2013 1:06:32 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

tech ping, fer shure.


3 posted on 10/19/2013 1:07:00 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: dayglored

I was going to download the update onto my laptop until I read this. What is an RT device?


4 posted on 10/19/2013 1:10:32 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: dayglored

My two surface RT’s updated ok. I LOVE the new OS. I now have full office 2013 including Outlook on my surfaces.


5 posted on 10/19/2013 1:10:50 PM PDT by bigtoona
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To: ShadowAce

Geez, you’re clairvoyant! :)


6 posted on 10/19/2013 1:10:53 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: Inyo-Mono
> I was going to download the update onto my laptop until I read this. What is an RT device?

The lower-priced tablets (mainly) that run Windows-RT rather than Windows-Pro. They are built around a different kind of CPU chip (ARM) not aa standard Intel (x86) chip.

7 posted on 10/19/2013 1:12:37 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: dayglored

Hmmm....shoving out a bad product that is “broken by design” for self-serving reasons...

Perhaps we should refer to Obamacare as the “Windows ME of healthcare reform”.


8 posted on 10/19/2013 1:13:14 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: dayglored

How ‘bricked’ is bricked one wonders...Hard to believe one has to pitch the machine... which is what ‘bricked’ used to mean...


9 posted on 10/19/2013 1:13:28 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: dayglored

Well, I guess there are reasons to upgrade to 8 but I fail to understand why...


10 posted on 10/19/2013 1:15:03 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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To: dayglored

Obama should take the hint here.


11 posted on 10/19/2013 1:15:17 PM PDT by tje
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To: bigtoona
> My two surface RT’s updated ok. I LOVE the new OS. I now have full office 2013 including Outlook on my surfaces.

Cool, yeah if I had an RT tab I would probably have updated already also, for much the same reason. If this reported problem turns out to be widespread, it'll hurt a lot of people who were holding out hope for their RT devices, though.

I haven't seen any indication of what they think is causing some to brick and others to be fine. Have you seen any reports with additional data?

12 posted on 10/19/2013 1:15:18 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: dayglored

Thanks for the info!


13 posted on 10/19/2013 1:16:02 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: bigtoona

Heh... You are one of the faithful!


14 posted on 10/19/2013 1:16:06 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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To: roamer_1
> How ‘bricked’ is bricked one wonders...Hard to believe one has to pitch the machine... which is what ‘bricked’ used to mean...

I doubt they're really in "Permanent Doorstop Mode" -- hopefully they just fail to boot, and can be booted from another device to clear and reload. The reported failure of a boot-from-USB doesn't sound good, though.

15 posted on 10/19/2013 1:17:07 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Windows 8 RT is for ARM-based tablet devices. Your laptop is not RT.


16 posted on 10/19/2013 1:17:47 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: dayglored

Hope is synonymous with Microsoft these days...


17 posted on 10/19/2013 1:18:54 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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To: dayglored

LOL!


18 posted on 10/19/2013 1:19:11 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Deagle
> Well, I guess there are reasons to upgrade to 8 but I fail to understand why...

Personally I'm a huge fan of Windows 7 Pro, and have no reason to migrate to Win8.

It does look like a decent interface for a tablet. I presently have an older iPad, but when I upgrade that I intend to at least evaluate the Surface line that exists at that time.

19 posted on 10/19/2013 1:19:27 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: dayglored

It has not been a red-letter day for Microsoft. Windows 8 has not been doing well by any means. The patch was developed to return Windows 8 usability, customer familiarity to be more reminiscent of Windows 7. Meanwhile, the future of computers is in the mobile arena which does not play to Microsoft’s strengths. The future of computers on the desktop, Microsoft does not look upbeat as sales continue spiraling downward. the prospects for Microsoft does not appear to be


20 posted on 10/19/2013 1:20:24 PM PDT by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: Deagle
> Hope is synonymous with Microsoft these days...

Well, then, let's see if they can also "change"... in a way that sells product. Otherwise they're in deep doodoo.

21 posted on 10/19/2013 1:21:59 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: dayglored

Well, I’m glad someone finally indicated a factual reason to upgrade - tablet. Not sure why they seem to think that desktops need this kind of upgrade though, after all most of these upgrades would be there (at least I would think - maybe used to be anyway).

This would be an abomination for me on a desktop system!


22 posted on 10/19/2013 1:22:38 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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To: dayglored

Sounds like Bill Gates suffers from same issue as Obama. Me, well I love my Apple’s!!!!


23 posted on 10/19/2013 1:22:43 PM PDT by marygam (I have extra ducktape for anyone who needs to wrap their head.)
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To: dayglored

Microsoft is too old and too fat and too slow to change...so get use to a new system in the future. Not good, but I can see the changes beyond my lifetime.


24 posted on 10/19/2013 1:24:52 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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To: Deagle
> This would be an abomination for me on a desktop system!

It's a disaster on a traditional desktop, or non-touch-screen laptop. Period.

I'm a System Admin by trade and you would not believe what it has been like, for the folks trying to move from XP to Win8. We've given up, and will now only allow migrations to Win7, on desktop and regular laptop machines.

The re-training time -- lost productivity in the office -- alone costs thousands of dollars, at a time business can ill afford loss.

25 posted on 10/19/2013 1:28:47 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: marygam
> Sounds like Bill Gates suffers from same issue as Obama. Me, well I love my Apple’s!!!!

To each, their own.... every day I use Windows, Mac OSX, Linux, and BSD, nearly interchangeably. Each has its strong and weak points.

This is not a Bill Gates issue -- we can lay this one at the feet of Steve Ballmer, I'd say.

26 posted on 10/19/2013 1:30:44 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: dayglored

Wow, understand totally! I’m glad I’m out of that business! I really would hate to be trying to move customers to this release. The good side is that you might just have much more to do with those that keep upgrading regardless of cost and potential but of course that does also have its backside...heh. Good luck with your endeavors. You could be in business for an additional 20 years at this rate...ha


27 posted on 10/19/2013 1:32:05 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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To: dayglored

Take an old Windows 7 box - dual- or quad-core - with 4 to 8 GB of RAM, throw away the hard-drive and put a new one in. Then put Linux on it. I use Fedora 19 with the KDE desktop, Firefox, Evolution for email, and LibreOffice 4.x. Am good for another few years. And it only cost about $100. I have to use Windows 8 @ work. The kids at Microsoft have never put out such a garbled mess as Windows 8. They couldn’t decide what they wanted the system to be, but one thing it isn’t - it is NOT a desktop system. Am waiting to talk to the IT guys before updating to 8.1.


28 posted on 10/19/2013 1:34:55 PM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks dayglored.
...early reports of bricked devices and lost data from some users indicate that the release may have been premature.
I was going to wait until I had, uh, free bandwidth to do the update, so, once again, procrastination pays off big! :')


29 posted on 10/19/2013 1:35:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: lbryce
> The patch was developed to return Windows 8 usability, customer familiarity to be more reminiscent of Windows 7

The mistake was in trying to cram a tablet OS down the throats of ALL Windows users, virtually all of whom have desktops or laptops.

It's truly a shame -- under the hood, without the damn Metro GUI, Win8 is a great OS, stable, somewhat faster than Win7, and would have a terrific future were it not for the awful user interface they grafted onto it.

But if that were the case, it would just be Win7 SP2, which doesn't sell new product.

Merging the tablet OS with the desktop may well be Microsoft's undoing. They keep stepping in dogs#!t with every move they make recently.

> the future of computers is in the mobile arena which does not play to Microsoft’s strengths

True, but it didn't have to be that way. They saw it coming in 2007 with the iPhone -- and Steve Ballmer laughed at it and dismissed it.

Steve Ballmer's stupidity and lack of ability to see what was directly in front of his eye, has nearly doomed the company he claims to love.

30 posted on 10/19/2013 1:37:48 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: dayglored

Ah yes, they all have their problems but I really like those that swear by Apple (and anything that they put out) - it has become such a cult. The new Apple operating system just might wake them up but not likely!


31 posted on 10/19/2013 1:39:04 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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To: SunkenCiv
> ...procrastination pays off big!

LOL! I knew there was a good reason I stayed in bed until noon! :)

32 posted on 10/19/2013 1:39:41 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: lbryce
The patch was developed to return Windows 8 usability, customer familiarity to be more reminiscent of Windows 7. Meanwhile, the future of computers is in the mobile arena which does not play to Microsoft’s strengths.
Considering that this bricking was on tablets, probably you've understated it. :') Personally, I don't like 'em. I don't much like laptops, for that matter, that scratch pad mouse substitute just plain sucks, and gets in the way constantly even when I plug in a mouse (which is always). I really want a full size screen that rolls up to transport it, CPU & SSD etc (USB ports, no drives) inside a full-sized (slimline) keyboard, wireless (or wired) mouse.


33 posted on 10/19/2013 1:43:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: dayglored

Windows 8 locks up better than XP. It seems slower than older programs. They hid things so you could not finds making the program seem faster.

Progress, bigger and better mistakes.


34 posted on 10/19/2013 1:44:17 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: dayglored

I’m getting used to win 8 and upgraded to 8.1 this morning. I use the desktop interface but can switch off to the tile desktop when I need/want any of the programs on there. Hasn’t been too bad at all.


35 posted on 10/19/2013 1:45:11 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: dayglored

That works too, one guy who did that still had every picnic basket in Jellystone Park.


36 posted on 10/19/2013 1:45:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: dayglored

If I’m reading it correctly, the problem with the boot-from-USB isn’t the booting, it’s the non-availability of the ISO file.


37 posted on 10/19/2013 1:46:39 PM PDT by Bob
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To: dayglored

I don’t use touch screen. So I have no use for Windows 8 OR Windows 8.1. Also, the new desktop is extremely ugly looking.

I have always preferred Windows to Apple, but there have been some difficult periods, and this is certainly one of them. I see no reason why you can’t have an underlying system that is topped off by two different desktops, for phone-size and laptop size computers, touchscreen and keypad.


38 posted on 10/19/2013 1:47:01 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Deagle

The update lets the user have the machine boot straight into the desktop, instead of that tile thing. I don’t have any objection to the tiles, although it reminds me of the old Tandy interface...


39 posted on 10/19/2013 1:47:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Montana_Sam
> Take an old Windows 7 box - dual- or quad-core - with 4 to 8 GB of RAM,...

I personally favor the CentOS distro, though I was a Fedora user for about 5 years as my main desktop. I found that the advantages of being on the leading edge with Fedora were not as great as the stability and wide support available for CentOS, which is RedHat Enterprise Linux, exactly same source, but without paid support. Anything that runs on RHEL will run on CentOS, and that stuff is pretty bulletproof.

That said, I still have Fedora around....

If I enumerate my active OSes (just the ones I use at home, all are multi-boot, with VM support):

Not bragging, just sayin' I have no religious attachments to any of 'em. All have good and bad points.

At work I'm a System Admin. I can't begin to count the hundreds of various server systems I tend there....

40 posted on 10/19/2013 1:50:20 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: lbryce

I have Windows 8 machines and they run fine and have certain advantages over Windows 7. Getting used to Windows 8 didn’t take too long but there are a lot of people who are having problems adapting to the new start screen. This update by Microsoft did very little if nothing to help that issue. In fact it changed the way some of the apps such as Skydrive and Skype have to be accessed. Now in order to access Skydrive and Skype one needs to log in with a Microsoft account. Logging in with a local account makes these apps unusable. Fortunately the desktop versions of these apps are still available and work fine.


41 posted on 10/19/2013 1:52:57 PM PDT by Wiggins
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To: SunkenCiv

Ah, and so many years to perfect that boot problem! You’d think that maybe if that was such a problem that they might have solved it earlier but what do I know, they can’t even get the Obamacare interface working!

(Sorry, could not prevent myself from stating the obvious”)


42 posted on 10/19/2013 1:53:10 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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To: Bob
> If I’m reading it correctly, the problem with the boot-from-USB isn’t the booting, it’s the non-availability of the ISO file.

You're correct.

43 posted on 10/19/2013 1:53:12 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: Deagle
Well, I’m glad someone finally indicated a factual reason to upgrade - tablet. Not sure why they seem to think that desktops need this kind of upgrade though, after all most of these upgrades would be there (at least I would think - maybe used to be anyway). This would be an abomination for me on a desktop system!

Abomination is a perfect way to describe it.
It's designed for a touch screen , on anything else it is just a headache.
No reason to upgrade from Win7 and if any are still on Win95 it is much better to go to Win7.

Friend of mines office has plans to upgrade to Win8 after Christmas. They told me they can't wait for their upgrades .... I told them they are going to be calling me and paying me plenty to fix their mess after doing it.

44 posted on 10/19/2013 1:54:03 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: lbryce
"It has not been a red-letter day for Microsoft. Windows 8 has not been doing well by any means. The patch was developed to return Windows 8 usability, customer familiarity to be more reminiscent of Windows 7. Meanwhile, the future of computers is in the mobile arena which does not play to Microsoft’s strengths. The future of computers on the desktop, Microsoft does not look upbeat as sales continue spiraling downward. the prospects for Microsoft does not appear to be" You have to admit Apple users on FR are as good with the bullsh*t propaganda as any MSNBC lib is. Nevermind that the regular Windows 8 upgrades haven't had any issues, despite the title of this being completely inaccurate. A limited number of RT devices have issues and my God Microsoft is going out of business? I'm sure that will happen sometime next week.
45 posted on 10/19/2013 1:55:50 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Lera

So how can you explain people like me using it on a non “touch screen” and getting along just fine?

For some reason people have taken incapable as a virtue instead of seeing it as personal inability.

“I cant figure X out therefore it’s bad”? Must really suck broadcasting that out to the world.


46 posted on 10/19/2013 1:59:47 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: dayglored

I updated Windows 8 to Windows 8.1 on both my desktop and laptop and yes I do notice the little bugs here and there..my Avast anti virus was not compatible on 8.1 on my laptop, it deleted it automatically..on my desktop I noticed the boot up was a little slower than usual, than it improved..the new start button is there but it doesnt show the program files, I still had to install startisback to make it work again


47 posted on 10/19/2013 2:00:24 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Lera

Well put! I hope that you do not have to spend too much time getting your friends upgraded. You do have to look at the bright side though - lots of work coming your way...heh.

Your main problem is not losing your friends over this...ha.


48 posted on 10/19/2013 2:05:10 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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To: Cicero
> ...the new desktop is extremely ugly looking.

The first time somebody showed me a photo of the Metro interface, I swore they were pulling my leg. I lost a bet over that, because I couldn't believe my eyes were seeing a serious product. Using it makes me feel vaguely queasy, like I'm operating a bad parody of Jeopardy or Truth-or-Consequences.

The underlying design language has been around for many years before Windows 8, and is actually kinda cool: Microsoft Metro Design Language (Wikipedia).

Did you know that the name "Metro" and the general visual layout was taken from the King County, Washington Metro transit system, which is near Microsoft's Redmond campus?

49 posted on 10/19/2013 2:05:58 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: VanDeKoik
> You have to admit Apple users on FR are as good with the bullsh*t propaganda as any MSNBC lib is. Nevermind that the regular Windows 8 upgrades haven't had any issues, despite the title of this being completely inaccurate. A limited number of RT devices have issues and my God Microsoft is going out of business? I'm sure that will happen sometime next week.

Welcome, VanDeKoik, I knew you'd have to join in at some point. :)

Of course, yes, the original title was too general, that's why I added the parenthetical "Bricks RT Devices". It wasn't "completely inaccurate", Microsoft did pull the update, but just for RT devices.

Why do you think this has anything to do with Apple? Why do you find it necessary to bash FR's Apple users? Are you trying to hijack the thread? I trust not.

No of course Microsoft isn't going out of business any time soon. But they've got a lot of egg on their face lately and it could have been easily prevented with somebody else at the helm the past 10 or so years. Ballmer was great in a sales role. CEO, not so much.

50 posted on 10/19/2013 2:13:47 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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