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How Richard Nixon and Rodney King Changed my Party Loyalty
October 20 2013 | Lee Martell

Posted on 10/19/2013 10:35:41 PM PDT by lee martell

I grew up in a blue collar, Democratic family. We have been Democratic on both sides of the family, at least since the beginning of the 20th century. I never questioned what decisions my party representatives made as a very young man, say 18 years old. I presumed (wrongly) that these elected officials would always do what was right. I also accepted as indisputable fact that , well of course the Republicans were always, always in the wrong. The republicans were greedy and 'keeping us down'.

You can imagine my surprise when, as a college freshman in 1975, I heard from someone I know with an opposing view. This was in October. I was at one of many back to school after-parties in Columbus, Ohio. The host's girlfriend had just poured me a full paper cup of Ernest and Julio Gallo Sangria (Red). I heard a familiar voice; another student saying how 'great' a president Richard Nixon was. I was amazed. If you think George W. Bush was trashed in the press, you should have heard the wailing after WaterGate. It lasted for decades. Enumerable nattering nabobs. This student was somebody I knew from psychology class. We had discussed Jung and Sarte. He even knew about Simone De Beauvoir. I had thought we were friends, and now this? I sat down with my oversweet wine and listened to him. He mentioned how the economy was very strong under Nixon, and our Earnings to Debt Ratio was impressive. I had the obligatory retorts in reply. I responded with what we now call talking points, all based on emotion or circular rhetoric. I was struck that my friend was focused on results, not personality, as my side always relied on. I thought about that conversation long after, although I made no immediate changes. I still dutifully voted democrat as my father advised. From that short conversation, I realized that not all republicans are horrible people. A lot of my tried and true beliefs were suddenly not necessarily all true.

Fast forward almost 20 years later to the 1992 Rodney King Riots in Los Angeles. Suffice to say that the incredible amount of race baiting and 'reverse prejudice' that I saw on the news or read in the papers (long before internet for regular folks) was disturbing and embarrassing. After hearing the umpteenth person defend those looters who had to be threatened with shotguns from the Korean owners,, I realized I did not wish to call myself a democrat any longer. This was around the time Jesse Jackson made up that phrase African-American, a phrase I still disagree with a refuse to use today when given a choice. I'm not from Africa, I'm from Michigan. This was when the style began to openly overwhelm substance in American Politics. Now, I'm at the point of considering the Libertarian Party. I believe in war and fighting for the right reasons. If there is a page in the Libertarian Book for conservatives who are willing to support defense of the country. well. I may have to give it a good look.


TOPICS: History; Society
KEYWORDS: columbus; convert; epiphany; leemartell; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; ohio; realignment; richardnixon; rodneyking
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1 posted on 10/19/2013 10:35:41 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell

Bump


2 posted on 10/19/2013 10:39:48 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: lee martell

Today’s Republican Party is yesterday’s Democratic Party, but without balls or a spine. I went Libertarian last November and have no regrets.


3 posted on 10/19/2013 10:41:02 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: lee martell

There ya go.


4 posted on 10/19/2013 10:41:25 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: lee martell

If you are a social liberal, but like conservative economic positions and like the conservative position of limited government, but can’t realize that social liberalism makes economic conservatism impossible, then libertarianism is for you.


5 posted on 10/19/2013 10:44:01 PM PDT by ansel12 (Don't be eyeballing those distant mountains boy, those are on federal land, and closed.)
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To: lee martell

Great post Lee! :-)


6 posted on 10/19/2013 10:45:22 PM PDT by Bobalu (Bobo the Wonder Marxist leads Operation Rodeo Clown against Syria)
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To: lee martell

Tiny picky point. That would be innumerable, not enumerable, nattering nabobs. (Well, to God they’re enumerable. But we take this as your point of view :-)

Anyhow, nice account. Sometimes it does dawn on Democrats-by-habit what stinkers they’ve been in bed with. Now sometimes even blind pigs get acorns, and a Democrat has been known to do decent things once in a while. But a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity, is not exactly begging for God’s blessings. It’s not that the Republicans are so wonderful but that the Democrats have so far managed to be worse.


7 posted on 10/19/2013 10:50:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: ansel12

So you think even a ‘smidgen’ of social liberalism is guaranteed to be incompatible with limited government? We already have a bit of a mixture now, ever since Johnson’s welfare and social reforms, some of which have been clipped back a little. Some social programs have to be either dumped or totally revised, such as pension plans. We cannot make that cozy promise anymore, there are too many of us, and we live too long to sustain it. Just ask Detroit about the crushing weight of pension plans, and lifelong guarantees.


8 posted on 10/19/2013 10:51:44 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You’re correct about that. Innumerable is one of those words that I hear spoken, but rarely do I see it in print.


9 posted on 10/19/2013 10:53:54 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: ansel12

If you are a social liberal, but like conservative economic positions and like the conservative position of limited government, but can’t realize that social liberalism makes economic conservatism impossible, then libertarianism is for you.

At least social/economic conservatives can form alliances/truces with libertarians on the economy to push forward market reforms that reduce government interference, it is nearly impossible to do so with communists/socialists...

We don’t need to make more former conservatives into libertarians, we need to make more former liberal into libertarians.


10 posted on 10/19/2013 10:53:57 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: HiTech RedNeck
a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity

That is a very thoughtful and poignant observation of the democrat party.

11 posted on 10/19/2013 10:54:55 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: ansel12

“If you are a social liberal, but like conservative economic positions and like the conservative position of limited government, but can’t realize that social liberalism makes economic conservatism impossible, then libertarianism is for you.”

Yes. Relax yourself. Sit down, if you like. But remember to keep saying the mantra “Rand, RAnd, RANd, RAND”......


12 posted on 10/19/2013 10:56:47 PM PDT by Mtner77
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To: ansel12

That’s the thing about libertarianism: it doesn’t solve the problems that incur the same curses socially that liberalism brings, and potentially wants to expand them as the liberals do. There is a God indeed.


13 posted on 10/19/2013 10:56:54 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: lee martell

Social liberalism is the libertarian platform of,

Libertarian Party Platform:

Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”.

Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.

Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.

Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.

Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science can come up with, zero restrictions.

Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.

Military Strength; minimal capabilities.


14 posted on 10/19/2013 10:57:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: lee martell; ansel12

Ansel12 continues to be confused. I’ve pointed out before how PERSONAL INDIVIDUAL acceptance of God weighs far more to the good than any kind of social bans on inanimate things. And in fact the second is scapegoating.

Ansel12 continues to try to paint scenes on the head of pins with a house painting brush and achieves consequences in accordance with this folly.

God did not send His Son into this fallen world to save “societies” but individual souls. And I can continue to pound on the distinctions, except that I do intend to go to a church worship service in the morning and can’t chase ansel12 around all night. So there may be (although I hope not) more inane comments I cannot reply to, or at least not soon.


15 posted on 10/19/2013 10:59:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: GraceG

The goal of the libertarians at FR, is to make conservatives into libertarians/social liberals.


16 posted on 10/19/2013 11:00:20 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: ansel12

How about letting the restrictions on abuse of the inanimate be in the form of a evangelized society?

I wonder if you don’t evangelize at all. Evangelization is basically canvassing for votes for God.


17 posted on 10/19/2013 11:00:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: ansel12

There you go with that stupid broad brush again.


18 posted on 10/19/2013 11:01:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Oh jeez, here it comes, the embracing of social liberalism in the name of Jesus.

We conservatives will continue our political fight for life and marriage, thank you very much.


19 posted on 10/19/2013 11:02:49 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: ansel12

Well your fight is a piddly little, LOSING thing until “the name of Jesus” is exalted.

Some day it will finally dawn on your thick mind that the horse goes in FRONT of the cart.


20 posted on 10/19/2013 11:03:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: ansel12

And why are you making light of Jesus’ name with your “jeez” comment! Out of the fullness of the heart the mouth speaks.

Get right with God yourself, buster. And quit patting yourself on the back for oh, how you are fighting for a nice conservative society. God didn’t come to give you a promise of a nice society.


21 posted on 10/19/2013 11:05:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Do you realize how instantly and directly you went to personal attacks and name calling and insults?


22 posted on 10/19/2013 11:07:52 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: ansel12

Maybe we all need to stop for a minute, take Sir Paul’s advice, and Let It Be. Everyone is entitled to their interior perception of the world. This is their undisputed truth of any given moment. I respect that right and that opportunity to hold one’s own opinion. I don’t have to reshape you like clay. I couldn’t if I wanted to. Change comes to the willing or to those with absolutely no choice.


23 posted on 10/19/2013 11:17:40 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: ansel12

It’s impossible to take someone seriously who continuously and proudly tells baldfaced lies.


24 posted on 10/19/2013 11:25:38 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: lee martell
Now, I'm at the point of considering the Libertarian Party.

Which position of theirs would you like to see from their platform? Calling for zero restrictions on partial birth abortion, or any other abortion? Gay marriage, homosexualizing the military?

Let's try their immigration position, this is the full text version of it, what do you think?

COMPLETE PLATFORM TEXT
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL ORDER

IMMIGRATION:
“”The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.

The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.""

25 posted on 10/19/2013 11:25:40 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: TigersEye

Name a lie, be specific and clear.


26 posted on 10/19/2013 11:27:09 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: ansel12

I’m not about to take you seriously. You’re a joke and a liar.


27 posted on 10/19/2013 11:28:27 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

It would sure be more convincing if you could reveal the lie.


28 posted on 10/19/2013 11:35:14 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: lee martell

I’ve got a very similar history to yours, Lee, with the exception that my parents’ generation were the first to go Democrat in my family.

Like lots of Dems, I grew up thinking that that was the natural, default position of normal, decent American folks. It took some signature events in my own life to wake me to the fact that the Democrat party didn’t really stand for anything they claimed to, and that the Republicans were not the evil money-motivated monsters I’d been led to believe they were my whole life.

In fact, when I decided to step outside my lifelong conditioning and investigate the truth of American politics for myself, I was astonished to discover that I’d had things completely backwards for much of my life.

It didn’t take me long to realign my political allegiance, but even deeper than that, I felt a sense of vindication, because I really hadn’t changed. I’d always believed in the things that the Republican party (nominally) stood for. It was more that I’d broken my way out of a mental cocoon constructed of lies, which were designed to get me to support the destruction of everything I cherish and believe in.

In short, I’d found my way home to the truth. My truth.


29 posted on 10/19/2013 11:37:57 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

You expressed your personal growth in very well, and in clear terms. Yes, one should be open to considering that maybe they don’t have all the proper answers to questions open to interpretation. Sometimes, an appraisal or evaluation is in order, even if only in your head. I never spoke to anyone about my Party Change till years later, during the Clinton years. Bill and Co. made it easy, even fashionable to prefer daylight between me and those of his ilk. Hillary can call it a right wing conspiracy if she wants to.


30 posted on 10/20/2013 12:53:46 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: AlaskaErik

It took me until December and Boehner’s mishandling of the fiscal cliff comedy. I joined the Libertarian party. I have many issues with them but far fewer than I do with the GOP


31 posted on 10/20/2013 4:03:21 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: lee martell

Well, the libertarians are against any war where America defends herself, from Iraq to Afghanistan to Iran, and I never saw any anti-war demonstrations against Syria or Libya or helping the Ikwahn in Egypt, either.

Libertarians are Adam Smith Democrats, no other difference matters, they are left wing moralists who want to see the Christian morality destroyed in America.

They are anti-Semitic Jew haters and Islam defenders. They want legal dope, legal hookers and outlawed national defense and open borders.

They are peace Nazis.

On a few website bulletin boards, I have used the term PEACE NAZI to describe the peace movement in general, and one person asked me for an explanation as to what the term means and why I say it. Here is my answer:

It is intentionally derogatory, and I use it because I believe it has to be said.

It has to do with the foundation of the PEACE movement in the US and abroad and their Communist foundation, and how the majority of the signs held and slogans chanted are not about peace or genuine concern for the people of two warring countries, it is about the anti-American attitudes and the violence-inducing signs and slogans calling for violence against American Troops and President Bush.

Carrying signs calling on troops to kill their officers, to bomb Texas, for Bush to choke on a pretzel and die, for troops to shoot their officers, signs that call for communist revolution, starting fights with people who disagree with you while carrying a peace sign, trying to steal my money in Boston while carrying a peace sign and then telling me because you were shamed into giving back the money that means you are ok after all...

Things like that.

I will NOT stop using it. It is intended to make the peace protestor think.

After all the horrors we found in Iraq, you should all be thankful we went in and invaded to remove that madman. Yet, the mantra has changed, it is now against occupation and most recently a call for early withdrawl without any victory!

Repeatedly, information comes out of Iraq proving the terrorist connections of Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda.

Still, not one PEACE NAZI has apologized and admitted we were right. All they did is complain that a people that were under slavery for 30 years were looting after Saddam was overthrown, and who do they blame? Why the US!! We did nothing to stop it! Maybe because we stayed out of the crowd because the PEACE NAZIS would have complained we didn’t let them vent their anger??

(As a side note, people who are now called PEACE NAZIS didn’t call on the LAPD or Federal Troops to stop the LA riots after the Rodney King riots, did they? They told us all to step back and let them vent their anger, yet all of a sudden, we were supposed to go in and use force to stop rioters in Iraq?)

And to top it off, we are flushing out the terrorists in places like Fallujah, the places where the Murderous Mullahs all take refuge, and the PEACE NAZIS have not ONCE held a rally to decry the beheadings of Americans or Iraqi CARE workers! Not one PEACE NAZI rally held to call for justice for the Killers of Daniel Pearl or any foreigner killed in Iraq!

We never intended to occupy a country like SYRIA had the last 20 years, and where were the PEACE NAZIS and their signs calling on SYRIA to leave Lebanon? They are non existent. The Syrians killed tens of thousands, chasing little children into bedrooms and shooting them point blank.

Did you know there was a Christian Community in Beirut before 1985? Now, they are almost either all killed or fled from the Syrian backed Junta, and not a peep from the PEACE NAZIS, only against American forces sent to Beirut to keep peace. Why aren’t the PEACE NAZIS arguing for the return of the Christian Community back to Beirut where they lived for 2 Millennium?

Where were the PEACE NAZIS when Israel was blockaded in 1967?
Where were the PEACE NAZIS when Israel was attacked on her Holy Day of Yom Kippur in 1973?
Where were the PEACE NAZIS when the PLO was shelling Katyusha rockets into Israel in 1982?

Oh, Yeah, I remember, they were telling Israel to stop defending themselves!

In fact, there is not a single country that we ever went to war with that we stayed as the governing power for more than 10 years! We always returned it to the people.

And that brings up another point: PEACE NAZIS are NOT against war, they are against wars that the US is engaged in to overthrow pro-Communist or PRO-radical Islamic regimes or PRO-Maoist/PRO-Stalinist regimes.

My point here, is simple: These COMMIES are not for peace. If they were, they would have been screaming about Clinton killing innocents to keep his sexual scandals off the tv;

they would have been screaming for the Palestinian Liberation Organization to stop killing Jews;

they would have been screaming for Hamas and Islamic Jihad to stop killing Jews;

they would have been screaming for the Hutus and Tutsis to make peace;

they would have been screaming for that madman Saddam to stop killing Kurds or Iranians;

they would have been screaming for the Turks to stop killing Kurds or Greeks;

they would have been screaming for the Chinese to stop killing Vietnamese in 1982;

they would have been screaming for the Angolan Army to stop killing with the help of the Cuban Army in the 1980’s;

they would have been screaming for the Muslims to stop killing and beheading school age children and other Christians in Indonesia, Malaysia, and China and North Korea;

They would have been screaming for the Sudanese to stop the torture and slave trade which continues today in Darfur;

They would have been screaming when the Syrians invaded Lebanon in 1985 and have continued an occupation of Lebanon since the 1980’s;

They would have been screaming when Pol Pot started a genocide in 1975;

They would be screaming now about Mugabe killing all the white farmers in Africa in Zimbabwe;

They would have been screaming at the murders caused by the African National Congress and their necklacing of prisoners and at Winnie Mandela who was convicted of murder, yet the communists are silent;

They would have been screaming about Tiananmen Square, but they are silent;

They would have been screaming about the repression in Cuba and why so many people have chosen to flee in rickety little boats, but instead they lionize that dictator, Castro;

They would have been screaming about the invasion of South Vietnam in 1975 where the north started a genocide campaign in direct violation of the Paris Peace Accords of 1973 and caused over 2 million Vietnamese to flee in little boats that got picked up by ships like the one I was on in 1981;

They would be screaming at the Palestinians for their suicide bombings that intentionally target innocent school age children;

They would be screaming at the Palestinians for their suicide bombings that intentionally target innocent people on buses, or pizza parlors, or weddings, or wheel-chair bound invalids on cruise ships, or Olympic hotels;

They would have been screaming at the rioters in France, except Peace-Nazis do not scream when Muslims kill people or destroy things.

Except, the only time they scream is when the US is at war against a tyrant who is support by Russia or France.

In much of the world, the antics and policies of these PEACE NAZIS would result in jail – or worse. Cuba, China and many socialist countries routinely eliminate protests – and protesters – against the government and its leaders. It seems ironic that the ultimate goal of these protesters is to transform America into the kind of government that tolerates no dissent.

And since NAZI is one of the most vile insults you can give someone in our last two generations, I call them PEACE NAZIS, for they are not for peace, they are for war, they are for the overthrow of my country and into communism and anarchy, and they are a violent bunch who base their foundation on lies and the telling of lies and the repeating of lies.


32 posted on 10/20/2013 4:15:11 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; ansel12

Jesus was no liberal

Jesus followers didn’t give their goods to people in general, in the book of Acts, they gave their money to THE CHURCH first, it was then given out equally as to who needed it.

Find me a true Libertarian who would give his belongings to a Fundamentalist group of Holy believers anywhere, and I will show you either a new Christian or someone who needs a dictionary on what a libertarian is.


33 posted on 10/20/2013 4:19:04 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: ansel12; HiTech RedNeck

Ron Paul on the Morton Downey show, showing his pro-druggie views in the 1980’s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCxDrfs4GtM


Ron Paul Campaign Uses Soros-funded Research
January 16, 2012
By Cliff Kincaid

Rick Santorum told Ron Paul in last Saturday’s debate: “You should know better than to cite George Soros-like organizations.” The comment came in response to attacks on Santorum’s record from the Texas Congressman and libertarian running in the Republican presidential primaries.

Exposed for using Soros-funded research in an attack ad charging that that Santorum had been “one of the most corrupt” members of Congress, Paul had no explanation or response, except to say that “somebody” had done a survey attacking Santorum and he used it in the ad. The Ron Paul ad includes the line, “I’m Ron Paul and I approve this message.”

The exchange adds to Republican fears that Paul is trying to weaken or divide Republicans in order to guarantee Obama’s re-election.

http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=2825


While some political observers question whether Paul has the staying power and widespread appeal to win the nomination, his campaign has proven unique in one respect: he’s drawing serious support from Muslims.

After abandoning the GOP in droves during the George W. Bush presidency, some Muslims say Paul is the kind of Republican who could draw them back and seriously challenge their loyalty to President Obama.

http://patdollard.com/2012/01/cair-muslims-endorse-ron-paul/


I post this because it involves groups that have openly supported the Islamic terrorists against the US

I know, it 3 days old but just wanted to be sure Ron Paul supporters saw this article. Suzie Benjamin of Code Pink,(note: she likes to be called “Medea” who in Greek mythology killed her children to spite her husband, lovely, huh, so call her Suzi, she hates that) who pals around with Adam Kokesh of IVAW, SDS, ANSWER. World Can’t Wait, has been hanging out with Ron Paul, based on my own personal observations going back to 2007. These are radical left wing nutcases! I have folks tell me “Well I like Paul’s policies on the federal reserve!” Really! Just remember what happened the last time folks ignored radical associations by someone running for President!
And make sure you add Veterans for Peace to this list of radical nutcases. A year or so ago I received an email from a troop supporter who sent me an email showing an exhibit that supposedly honored our fallen Warriors. IT WAS NOT HONORING OUR FALLEN WARRIORS, it was an anti-war exhibit of the vilest kind, exploiting the most noble among us who fought willingly and died nobly to give these creeps their right to freedom of speech.

Ron Paul’s core supporters are radical left wing ideologues so ask yourself this: Are you willing to stand with the likes of Suzi Benjamin and Adam Kokesh, because if you stand for Ron Paul, you stand with all these folks too. It’s just that simple!
And allow me to leave you with this fact: Adam Kokesh told this mother to my face that my Son, who served 4 deployments with the 82nd Airborne, was a terrorist and I was the mother of a terrorist! So the hard core Ron Paul supporters see my brave Son who was willing to lay his life down for this creep, as the terrorist! These are dangerous radicals and I suggest those who have thrown in with these nutcases take the blinders off and do some research!! Surely I would hope you ask yourself why Kokesh would call my Son a terrorist?!!! My Son, a Soldier who fought terrorists to keep us all safe, is the terrorist, in the eyes of the Iraq Veteran Against the War and Russian TV star Adam Kokesh. Do some research folks!
Those in the troop support movement whose boots have been on the ground since 2007 know Adam and Suzi and the whole bunch of traitors, and that is what they are, traitors to freedom and liberty!
One more piece of information voters should know about Suzi, she helped funnel $650,000 to the terrorists in Fallujah back in 2004, with the help of Congressman Henry Waxman. While our Soldiers were figthing and dying over there, she was sending money to the terrorists! I’m sure she loves Ron Paul, he thinks we should talk to these butchers! I remember 9/11 and I will never forget my fellow Americans who were slaughtered that day by psycho maniacs who have no interest in talking, only getting you to submit to them and their murderous way of life.

http://www.breitbart.com/?Big-Peace/2012/03/06/?ron-pauls-latest-advocate-code-?pink


Ron Paul and his supporters are against AGE OF CONSENT LAWS, especially between Gay men and BOYS
http://www.dailypaul.com/70100/age-of-consent?page=1

Ron Paul posing for photos at a Ron Paul fundraiser held by the racist group STORMFRONT
http://cdn2.dailycaller.com/2011/12/Ron-Paul-with-Stormfront-owner-Don-Black-and-son-Derick-Black.jpg


Ron Paul’s white supremecist radio connections
http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/ron-pauls-white-supremacist-radio-connections/


Ron Paul on Iranian TV in 2009, praising Hamas and bashing Israel
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/12/ron-paul-on-iranian-tv-2009-defends-hamas-and-suicide-bombing-bashes-israel.html


Ron Paul proves his love for the constitution by ignoring the Constitution concerning Obama and his foreign birth
https://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/04/23/ron-paul-thinks-obama-eligibility-is-irrelevant/


Neo-Nazi complains about Ron Paul’s denial of ties to white supremacists (updated)
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/12/neonazi_complains_about_ron_pa.html


Internet hacker group intercepts e-mails connecting Ron Paul to racist groups
http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/anonymous-reveals-close-ties-between-ron-paul-and-neo-nazis/


Ron Paul: Last of the Dixie Cons??
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1663/834/The_Last_of_the_DixieCons.html?currentSplittedPage=0


The Campaign for Liberty, a RON PAUL organization, was selling copies of the most anti-semitic publication in history, the PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION.

This book was used to justify murdering Jews around the world, and is still cited in Islamic extremist justifications for killing Jews.

http://web.archive.org/web/20100312220457/http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=5560


Here is the Ron Paul fanatic who placed this book for sale online while supporting ROn Paul on the official website for the Campaign for Liberty:

http://web.archive.org/web/20100312220457/http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=5560


Tehran Ron says he would not have ordered the raid on Bin laden, but on video, he sure did say he would have
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2834019/posts


Ron Paul supports legal dope and prostitution
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/05/06/Ron_Paul_on_Prostitution_Gay_Marriage/

Starts half way in the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mz9pDGHBTo&feature=related


Nevada prostitutes endorse Ron Paul
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/06/nevada-prostitutes-endorse-ron-paul/


White supremecist David Duke endorses Ron Paul;
http://patdollard.com/2011/12/former-kkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-says-he%E2%80%99s-voting-for-ron-paul/


Ron Paul refuses to disavow STORMFRONT associations
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/45537/ron-paul-refuses-to-disavow-stormfront-other-anti-semitic-racist-groups-openly-campaigning-for-him/


Ron Paul SUPPORTS NAMBLA
http://videosift.com/video/Does-Ron-Paul-Support-NAMBLA-Well-yes-and-no
http://www.dailypaul.com/70100/age-of-consent?page=1


Why do the Ron Paul guys support gay marriage?
http://www.queerty.com/ron-paul-on-gay-marriage-20071210/


the 2008 RONULAN economic advisor to Ron paul saying that libertarians need to infiltrate the GOP
Libertarians need to infiltrate the GOP

VIDEO of Schiff saying just that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbebbqyQG6Y&list=UUfwzGhe9U4UnbYl60Tud9ww&index=1&feature=plcp


RON PAUL SUPPORTERS ARE PLANNING ON FILLING ALL DELEGATE POSITIONS WITH RON PAUL SUPPORTERS THROUGHOUT THE GOP!! THEN, IGNORING THE VOTE TALLY AND VOTING FOR RON PAUL!!

VOTER FRAUD ALERT!!

http://ronpauldelegates.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/become-a-delegate/


RONULANS calling for the takeover of the GOP Republican Liberty Caucus, to infiltrate and take it over!
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?111402-Take-Over-the-GOP%21-Join-the-Republican-Liberty-Caucus-Ron-Paul-is-a-Member


An organization called Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth video taped an inpromtu appearance with Ron Paul and recorded some of his comments. They can be found here:
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/05/19/trutheriness-and-ron-paul/


While Ron Paul has said on TV shows such as Glen Beck that he dismisses the major theories, he openly says there is a coverup of what went on yet refuses to elaborate on just what is covered up. The 9/11 Comission clearly showed that intelligence failures happened because of Clinton era laws that prevented our inteligence agancies from communicating with each other.

On the website CONSPIRACY PLANET, information about Ron Paul and issues similar to this can be found:
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=90


Ron Paul has publically said that the CIA has accomplished a coup against America and needs to be taken out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dECSYm5bSM


A direct quote from this conference is as such:
(January 20, 2010) House Rep. Ron Paul says the CIA has in effect carried out a “coup” against the US government, and the intelligence agency needs to be “taken out.”

Speaking to an audience of like-minded libertarians at a Campaign for Liberty regional conference in Atlanta this past weekend, the Texas Republican said: “There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries...”

Additional video proof of him saying this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SZKLvEOp9c


And here is one prominant website that supports the 9/11 conspiracy theories, calling for a RON PAUL PROVISIONAL ARMY to take over after we investigate the 9/11 events:
http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/


Among the other kooky connections to Ron Paul, is a UFO COnnection. I have yet to find the original article, but numerous articles repeat the belief of Ron Paul’s that UFO’s are real. Some of the Ron Paul sites have soeone trying to mock this belief, but the Ron Paul site, DailyPaul.com says this:
http://dailypaul.com/node/125999


This has been repeated again in San Francisco, not known to support conservatives or Libertarians anyways, but associated with Ron Paul out there were UFO enthusiasts mentioned in this article:
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2007/08/ron_pauls_ufo_sighter_friends.php


How is it that the kookiest ideas are surrounding Ron Paul? Ron Paul, UFO disclosure, etc... simply nothing more than a pacifier — a distraction!
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message462483/pg1


Ron Paul supported by anti-war group CODE PINK
http://www.dailypaul.com/165272/anti-war-group-code-pink-counts-ron-paul-in-their-camp-on-israel-aid-opposition
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/18/rep-paul-codepink-camp-israel-aid-opposition/


Ron Paul and his acolytes are following George Soros on the defense of our nation, and connections between the two have been proved
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/01/02/ron-pauls-soros-defense-plan/


Tehran TV LOVES Ron Paul!

http://www.aim.org/special-report/tehran-tv-loves-ron-paul/


Ron Paul supported by anti-war group CODE PINK
http://www.dailypaul.com/165272/anti-war-group-code-pink-counts-ron-paul-in-their-camp-on-israel-aid-opposition


Glenn Beck exposes Ron Paul’s ties to Soros. Does it shock you, or does it do much to explain why Ron Paul is friendly with “Bawney” Frank and almost as bad as Obama is when it comes to illegal aliens and Islam? Listen to video please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFSHGhq19CM


Dennis Prager point sout Ron Paul’s lunacy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qqHAoXRVk4g


Ron Paul says he is against the NDAA bill, so why didn’t he VOTE AGAINST it??
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/06/ron-paul-supporters-claim-he-opposes-the-ndaa-so-why-didnt-he-vote-on-it/


Ron Paul supporters quizzed on the Constitution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISuQAdKWuR8&feature=g-all-u&context=G2591ab9FAAAAAAAACAA


As homosexual Army soldier Bradley Manning’s treason trial continues at Fort Meade, Maryland, the support he has received from Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has been curiously ignored by the major media, now touting Paul as someone who could win the January 3 Iowa Republican Caucuses. Paul has called Manning, a crossdresser with acknowledged mental problems, a “hero” and “patriot” for stealing government secrets and providing them to WikiLeaks.
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/2011/12/21/kincaid-ron-paul-says-accused-traitor-is-a-patriot/


While campaigning in Iowa on Wednesday, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul praised the Occupy Wall Street movement, comparing it to the Tea Party movement. “In many ways, I identify with both groups,” Paul said. Both groups are fed up with problems in Washington and “the two-party-system,” Paul said while speaking at an insurance company in Des Moines. Praising the left-wing Occupy Wall Street movement is an unusual move for a Republican presidential candidate, but Ron Paul is, of course, an unusual Republican presidential candidate. He jumped to first place in the Iowa caucus polls partly because of support from people who aren’t Republicans. His comments that members of the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street are unhappy with the “two-party system” could fuel speculation that Paul will make a third-party bid of his own—something he has not ruled out.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ron-paul-praises-occupy-wall-street_614967.html


Iran wants nuclear weapons because you gain respect with them:
Apparently alluding to Israel and its nuclear-weapons arsenal, Paul said that “if I were an Iranian, I’d like to have a nuclear weapon, too, because you gain respect from them.”
http://patdollard.com/2011/12/ron-paul-tells-iowa-voters-says-iran-needs-nuclear-weapons-to-%E2%80%9Cgain-respect%E2%80%9D-from-israel-u-s-sanctions-are-an-act-of-war/



34 posted on 10/20/2013 4:20:25 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: lee martell

in the republican party you have republicans and you have republican conservatives... 2 different mindsets..

in the libertarian party. you have big L libertarians (ron paul nut jobs) and small l libertarians (hard right leaning conservatives)..

if i have to choose between a platform I agree with (republican) only to have that platform trashed upon arrival in washington, or a platform that i do not agree with 100%, but know that this platform will be adhered to upon arrival in washington (libertarians) i will choose integrity over liars every time..

i would rather work to change the platform of those that tell the truth and do what they say then to even give the time of day to a group of liars...

i start with integrity, and the pubs have none..


35 posted on 10/20/2013 4:40:46 AM PDT by joe fonebone (a socialist is just a juvenile communist)
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To: ansel12

I support ansell2 with his argument against the Libertairians. I attended Hillsdale College for one year and learned that Libertarians are ideologues and unwilling to change their minds on anything the Libertarian Party supports, which include legalizing drugs, prostitution and gay marriage. Instead of jumping to support Libertarians, we should focus our efforts to make the Tea Party stronger.


36 posted on 10/20/2013 5:54:19 AM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: AlaskaErik
Thanks to the libertarians Mia Love lost as did Jesse kelly, Denny Rehberg, Jackie Walorski lost the first iema dnwhen it looked like he was going to lose in the house Joe donnelly ran for the senate and won. Jon Porter lost in Nevada in 2008 and instead of him runing against Harry Reid and probably winning Sharon Angle ran and lost. Some how it is not the rinos that lose it is the good Conservatives in conservative districts. Just mentioning the above races that is probably three less Senate seats the Dem's would have and probably a dozen more house seats that they would not have. voting Libertarian is just cutting off you nost to spite your face.You are throwing \away your vote and your country.
37 posted on 10/20/2013 6:45:22 AM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: TigersEye

Do you have an example of a lie he has told?


38 posted on 10/20/2013 7:44:42 AM PDT by ontap (but was just wondering how the Martinez family feels about illegal aliens.....just asking!!!)
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To: ontap
He left a bullet point list in this post, every one a lie.
39 posted on 10/20/2013 10:23:26 AM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: RaceBannon

Hey, Race, are you running the race well against Satan?

You make a self centered story up about the church not caring for the yet-unsaved. You forget that this is one of the ways of evangelizing. What better way to demonstrate to a skeptic that God extends love to him or her? Within godly bounds of course. Another reason, in fact, that it makes sense for charity to be a CHURCH thing not a GOVERNMENT thing. This welfare-doling GOVERNMENT wants to be viewed as the God on the scene. Now call me as naive as you wish... but God can do anything better than Satan can. Because God will do it without sin.

You also indulge in much character smearing which quite obscures the spiritual fight (Eph 6). I will not permit myself to be distracted from the Eph 6 view.


40 posted on 10/20/2013 11:31:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: amnestynone

You have some good points here. You also have been awarded Descriptive Subtitle of The Week, with your colorful description of the one and only (I hope) Lindsay Graham, who you called a .......
Feckless, Treacherous, Duplicitous, Double Dealing, Back Stabbing Corksucker! I can hear that song; “You’re a mean one, Mr. Grinch” playing in the background with that blustery baritone droning on.


41 posted on 10/20/2013 12:37:21 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: TigersEye; ontap

Whoa troll, since you didn’t ping me I missed your rediculous post.

Every one of those libertarian platform positions in post 14 is absolutely accurate, for instance compare the short version of immigration policy in post 14 with the full text version in post 25.

How about abortion? In post 14 it says “Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.” in the actual party platform it says.
“we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”

That means “zero restrictions or impediments” zero interference, I can do that for every platform position that I listed in post 14, so we still have to ask, why are you lying and making such nasty personal attacks in what amounts to stalking?


42 posted on 10/20/2013 12:57:17 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: ansel12

You’re more of a demagogue than 0bama is.


43 posted on 10/20/2013 1:06:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

Look at your posts on this thread, they are totally lies and demagoguery.


44 posted on 10/20/2013 1:35:03 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: lee martell

“You have some good points here. You also have been awarded Descriptive Subtitle of The Week, with your colorful description of the one and only (I hope) Lindsay Graham”

feel free to use it.


45 posted on 10/20/2013 2:29:06 PM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: TigersEye; ansel12

Here’s the address for the Libertarian website where they state their beliefs on all these subjects. Pretty straight forward on everything he says.

http://www.lp.org/platform


46 posted on 10/20/2013 2:34:56 PM PDT by ontap (but was just wondering how the Martinez family feels about illegal aliens.....just asking!!!)
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To: ontap
We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression. The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service.

That's not what he said so that's a lie. Guess you're lying too.

47 posted on 10/20/2013 3:12:31 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Lee Martell:
I grew up in a blue collar, Democratic family... on both sides of the family, at least since the beginning of the 20th century... Republicans were always, always in the wrong. The republicans were greedy and 'keeping us down'. You can imagine my surprise when, as a college freshman in 1975... in October... another student saying how 'great' a president Richard Nixon was... He mentioned how the economy was very strong under Nixon, and our Earnings to Debt Ratio was impressive. I had the obligatory retorts in reply. I responded with what we now call talking points, all based on emotion or circular rhetoric. I was struck that my friend was focused on results, not personality, as my side always relied on... Fast forward almost 20 years later to the 1992 Rodney King Riots in Los Angeles... race baiting and 'reverse prejudice'... was disturbing and embarrassing. After hearing the umpteenth person defend those looters who had to be threatened with shotguns from the Korean owners. I realized I did not wish to call myself a democrat any longer. This was around the time Jesse Jackson made up that phrase African-American, a phrase I still disagree with a refuse to use today when given a choice. I'm not from Africa, I'm from Michigan.
Nixon was one of our better Presidents; as he said years after, the negative "was, of course, Watergate."


48 posted on 10/20/2013 3:57:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

> It’s not that the Republicans are so wonderful but that the Democrats have so far managed to be worse.

Nicely put.


49 posted on 10/20/2013 3:59:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I have no idea what you’re talking about

so, here’s a bunny with a pancake on top of his head...


50 posted on 10/20/2013 4:33:37 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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