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Do we know how bad HealthCare.gov really is yet?
Conservative Daily News ^ | 10-18-13 | allanbourdius

Posted on 10/20/2013 4:57:03 PM PDT by smokingfrog

For the past two and a half weeks – sadly partially silenced by the government shutdown and debt ceiling drama – Obamacare as an information system has been melting down since enrollment in the “exchanges” or “marketplaces” for health insurance went live at the HealthCare.gov website on October 1, 2013. It’s clear that the situation is bad, and is starting to alarm even the most forgiving to the President and his policies, as liberal Statist sites like The Huffington Post publish articles with titles like “Obamacare Website Failure Threatens Health Coverage for Millions of Americans”.

The actual file name of that post is simply delicious: “obamacare-train-wreck_n_4118041.html”.

We’re starting to see lots of material being published about how HealthCare.gov came into being, and either baffled disappointment or a sense of “what else did you expect?” at how a web application project that as much as $634 million has been spent on can’t handle user loads, deliver simple web pages, or manage to correctly display drop-down list box contents, much less enroll millions of uninsured Americans for soon-to-be-universally-mandated health coverage.

It’s also been reported that of the people who have managed to actually not have HealthCare.gov error on them and get themselves enrolled that incorrect information has been passed to the insurers via the government’s website and that possible compromises of personal information (leaving enrollees vulnerable to identity theft) have both occurred.

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1 posted on 10/20/2013 4:57:03 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

I have no doubt it is much, much worse than could ever imagine. Otherwise Obie would not be out tomorrow with his puppets.


2 posted on 10/20/2013 4:59:39 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: smokingfrog

When the IRS is making medical decisions for you and your doctor, I think we’ll find out. This might be a good time to start paying some income taxes to the IRS if you’re not already doing so. Even if no taxes are due. Yeah, I’m talking to the 48 percenters who don’t pay any income taxes.


3 posted on 10/20/2013 5:01:59 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hold on to your sombrero! Here comes amnesty! The GOP is on a roll!)
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To: BunnySlippers

I am not going to find out.

I live outside the US. I will probably never return to the US. If the US government tries to make an Ex-pat sign up for one of these I will simply renounce my US citizenship and become a naturalized Chinese


4 posted on 10/20/2013 5:03:03 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Fai Mao

One time I might have countered you on this. I can’t and won’t now.

I recently have pondered the idea of becoming an ex-pat ... once unthinkable.


5 posted on 10/20/2013 5:05:44 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

yea but where????


6 posted on 10/20/2013 5:08:18 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: smokingfrog

Do not get lost in the forest looking at the trees.
The web site is the easy part. It will get fixed.

The real bad part is the Obamacare law.

It is a pure and simple case of paying for the healthcare of lazy and illegals by the hard working middle class. I have no problem helping those citizens with pre-conditions who can not get insurance. I just hate being forced to pay for the lazy and illegals.

Millions of people arrive legally to this great country. Most of them work hard and become useful, productive and tax paying citizens. Many can not speak good English. When I arrived, I was fluent in English but had no relatives or friends to support me if I needed help. If I could achieve my dreams of success, anyone else who works hard can achieve it.

The creeping socialism is the surest way to destroy the greatness of America, one of the few places where one can succeed starting from scratch.


7 posted on 10/20/2013 5:10:03 PM PDT by entropy12 (With no fear of re-election, Obama is becoming more radical left..thanks a lot all you who abstained)
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To: Donnafrflorida

Oh, Donnafrflorida, I am a grandma too. Where, I don’t know. How about Costa Rica which is courting Americans?


8 posted on 10/20/2013 5:11:01 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: entropy12
I have no problem helping those citizens with pre-conditions who can not get insurance.

I'm sure you and I would agree that this could have been achieved without upending the healthcare of all Americans. As someone earlier commented, this whole thing is a giant scheme of wealth redistribution ...

9 posted on 10/20/2013 5:14:41 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: smokingfrog
If this chart is any indication, and this chart is 'old' so there is no doubt more to it now, we are screwed!


10 posted on 10/20/2013 5:15:01 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: BunnySlippers

My situation is different than yours.

My wife is Chinese, my kids are 1/2 Chinese. I have lived outside the US for a long time because that is what makes sense for my family. The only thing tying me to the US is my aged parents.

I do not encourage people to leave the US

http://faimao.blogspot.com/2006/11/leaving-america-redux.html


11 posted on 10/20/2013 5:15:48 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Fai Mao

I agree about your situation.


12 posted on 10/20/2013 5:16:49 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: smokingfrog

I’m half expecting the president to announce tomorrow that they will be switching to paper application and will be printing and mailing information to every household in the country.

If they’ve had 3 1/2 years to work on this website and its still not working, then it might be time for Plan B, which will create a million paper shuffler jobs and keep the post office busy.


13 posted on 10/20/2013 5:19:29 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: entropy12

Well, I think you underestimate the importance of the cost inflation, which of course compounds, and is compounded by, the expanded coverage you insist is the “pure and simple” problem.


14 posted on 10/20/2013 5:19:44 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: smokingfrog

Do we know how bad HealthCare.gov really is yet?

"Bad? Hey! It was a successful launch!"

"Just a few glitches! Give us a chance and we'll have them ironed out! It'll be great!"


15 posted on 10/20/2013 5:28:52 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: BunnySlippers

i keep hearing abt CR but the thought of being in south America surrounded by some of the most violent hostile countries... just dont know.


16 posted on 10/20/2013 5:33:41 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Technical “sign up” and security/identity theft issues aside, nobody will begin to know how bad things are until 2014. In 2014 a comparison of the revenue coming in from ALL Obamacare participants (i.e., their premiums) with the medical costs being paid by the participating insurers will provide a picture or indicator of how bad things will become. If the premiums are outweighed by the costs (and I suspect they will—BIG TIME) then the participating insurers in the Exchanges will have to raise rates beginning with 2015 and/or lower reimbursement rates to physicians/providers. That will mark the beginning of the classic “death spiral”. I think it will be bad indeed. More and more of the better physicians will decline to any longer take Exchange insured individuals as patients.

I’m not sure if Insurers participating in the Exchanges will be allowed to withdraw. If they are I would expect numbers of them to withdraw from participation with “new” insurers not the least interested in replacing them.


17 posted on 10/20/2013 5:35:03 PM PDT by House Atreides ( D)
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To: Donnafrflorida

Yeah, I’m with you. CR, however, is supposedly non-political ... yes, which probably means they can’t protect themselves.

Heck, after Fidel goes, Cuba might be a go. :o)

How about we three go to CR and give each other moral support!


18 posted on 10/20/2013 5:36:25 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Donnafrflorida

Try Nicaragua.


19 posted on 10/20/2013 5:37:02 PM PDT by rovenstinez (,)
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To: House Atreides

I, too, am convinced of the death spiral. I really think young people are going to shun this thing big time.

How old were you when you thought, “Oh, I need to sign up for health insurance”?

I was in my 30s.


20 posted on 10/20/2013 5:39:19 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: smokingfrog

“You think you hate it now, wait until you drive it.”


21 posted on 10/20/2013 5:40:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Fai Mao; BunnySlippers

“I live outside the US. I will probably never return to the US.”
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So do I. They can not ask us, much less force us to pay money to Obumbo’s Marxist regime. I have my own healthcare plan which has no connection to the USSA.
I will not return, even to visit. America is not even close to being the country that I left ten years ago. There is no way that it can recover in my lifetime.


22 posted on 10/20/2013 5:42:05 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: I_Like_Spam

Although it isn’t going to same time or security protection since the worker who reviews your paper application must manually enter the information from your forms into the same system. They need to get it working.


23 posted on 10/20/2013 5:42:53 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: AlexW

Whoa, you’ve been here awhile ... well, so have I.


25 posted on 10/20/2013 5:43:52 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: House Atreides
There are people who are finding out how bad it is right now. The numbers will just increase.

Nurses at home care agency loosing $5/hr on their wages.
1000 laid off at Stryker.
(X) 1000’s have lost their health care.
DR. retiring early or closing their practice & joining groups.
Dr.’s not accepting medicair/medicaid.

It has only just begun.

26 posted on 10/20/2013 5:44:57 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Donnafrflorida

“i keep hearing abt CR but the thought of being in south America”
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While I do not live in Central or South America, I suggest that you get on the Email list of WWW.InternationalLiving.com
and WWW.EscapeFromAmerica.com.
They specialize in Central/South America, but other areas as well.


27 posted on 10/20/2013 5:45:53 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: entropy12
Do not get lost in the forest looking at the trees.
The web site is the easy part. It will get fixed.

IIRC the website is in PHP, for security and data-integrity saying that PHP will be fixed is, well, polishing a turd.
This is due to how the language itself plays fast-and-loose with data-types.

28 posted on 10/20/2013 5:46:12 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: smokingfrog

Anyone who had anything to do with enacting this law and promoting and legitimizing it (like Obama, HHS, Congresspeople who voted for it, John Roberts, etc.) should be forced to enroll in ObamaCare and live under its constraints.

Object all sublime, to let the punishment fit the crime, the punishment fit the crime.


29 posted on 10/20/2013 5:51:39 PM PDT by BusterBear
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To: AlexW

“So do I. They can not ask us, much less force us to pay money to Obumbo’s Marxist regime. I have my own healthcare plan which has no connection to the USSA.
I will not return, even to visit. America is not even close to being the country that I left ten years ago. There is no way that it can recover in my lifetime.”

If they can force us to pay taxes to a country we do not live in. prevent us obtaining bank accounts and mortgages they could lay this burden upon us as well.


30 posted on 10/20/2013 5:56:33 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: BunnySlippers

beats the heck out of digging a hole and crawling in it.
sorry :(
i have never felt so angry so depressed so hopeless.
I know its wrong but I am tired. i also know thats their plan.

i an tired of emailing and calling our idiots in DC.
Tired of trying to stay ON TOP of things and warning folks.

this website kind of keeps me going. i know i am one of many who sees things as they are AWAKE.
sorry abt the rant. every day every hour brings another mind boggling decree.
if its this bad with what we know can you imagine how bad it will become with what we DONT know.


31 posted on 10/20/2013 5:57:00 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: dr_lew

You must be answering the wrong post. I have no such words “pure and simple” in my post. No problem.


32 posted on 10/20/2013 6:00:27 PM PDT by entropy12 (With no fear of re-election, Obama is becoming more radical left..thanks a lot all you who abstained)
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To: dr_lew

I beg your pardon, I did use those words.


33 posted on 10/20/2013 6:02:49 PM PDT by entropy12 (With no fear of re-election, Obama is becoming more radical left..thanks a lot all you who abstained)
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To: Fai Mao

“If they can force us to pay taxes to a country we do not live in. prevent us obtaining bank accounts and mortgages they could lay this burden upon us as well.”
_____________________________________________
How can they do that when you are not living there?
I have no US accounts of any kind.


34 posted on 10/20/2013 6:08:12 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: entropy12

Pardoned in full. It was worth a chuckle, though!


35 posted on 10/20/2013 6:09:14 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: BunnySlippers

I hear ya. All my years assimilating language and culture don’t seem so much a fun hobby now as much a potential survival tool.


36 posted on 10/20/2013 6:13:34 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Donnafrflorida
Yes, it is discouraging and exhausting.

And you are right that it is their goal to wear good people down.

One thing that may help you if you haven't thought of this already. Sometimes I take a few days off completely from watching/reading the news. I do something else like read a couple of light books (not political), take some drives, some hikes and I amazed how refreshing it is not to think about what's going on in DC.

Often this restores my energy. All the best to you.

37 posted on 10/20/2013 6:57:54 PM PDT by what's up
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To: BunnySlippers

Let’s make it a foursome!


38 posted on 10/20/2013 7:21:58 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: VerySadAmerican

You’re on. :o)


39 posted on 10/20/2013 7:26:05 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Donnafrflorida
i have never felt so angry so depressed so hopeless. I know its wrong but I am tired. i also know thats their plan. i an tired of emailing and calling our idiots in DC. Tired of trying to stay ON TOP of things and warning folks.

"...when the crushing of the power of the holy people shall have been completed, all these things shall be finished."

40 posted on 10/20/2013 7:30:39 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Keep in touch!


41 posted on 10/20/2013 7:45:14 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: what's up

thank you. i do shut down news on weekends although i periodically will peek at FR


42 posted on 10/20/2013 7:57:38 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Ezekiel

where did you see this?


43 posted on 10/20/2013 7:59:20 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Donnafrflorida
where did you see this?

Daniel, chapter 12.

44 posted on 10/20/2013 8:03:51 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Ezekiel

thank you...

9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
11 “From the time that the daily sacrificeis abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.


45 posted on 10/20/2013 8:10:55 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: smokingfrog

The website is just the part of the abysmal failure of Obamacare that people see: it’s the tip of the iceberg. The underlying law is the real failure, and people haven’t seen that yet. When they do, Katy bar the door!


46 posted on 10/20/2013 9:06:47 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: AlexW

“How can they do that when you are not living there?
I have no US accounts of any kind.”

If you are a US citizen abroad you are still liable for US income taxes if your income is above a certain level.

The level is generous - sort of - but not unreachable for many professionals and does not take into account the cost of living in the place you reside. Whether you owe taxes or not you are required to fill out the forms and you are REQUIRED to provide all bank account numbers in non-US banks. If you have a non-US citizen spouse this becomes very, very problematic.

If you have been living abroad and submitted tax forms for several years I would talk to an accountant. I’d do this even if you have a very modest income.

It gets worse: The US is also the only nation I know of that “Reserves” the right to tax you for income earned up to ten years after you have become a citizen somewhere else.

When you give up your US passport you have to swear before a US diplomat that you are not leaving the US for tax reasons.

Remember the guy Clinton pardoned Marc Rich? A lot of his tax issues were related to the fact that he lived in Switzerland, had changed his nationality to Swiss and stopped paying income tax to the US. The government claimed that he had changed his nationality simply to avoid US taxes and that is not allowed. Pardoning him was one of only two things Clinton ever did I agreed with. Indeed, Clinton could have redeemed his whole presidency as far as I am concerned by overturn this rule and making Congress vote on it. If the Obamanation of Desolation came out in support of aligning the US with other nations and taxing based upon location rather than mere citizenship he’d get my vote for a third term if he wanted it. US tax laws are manefestly unjust to ex-pats


47 posted on 10/20/2013 9:20:00 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Fai Mao; expat_panama; AlexW; Caliban
Very interesting POV.
48 posted on 10/20/2013 9:28:44 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Fai Mao

“If you are a US citizen abroad you are still liable for US income taxes if your income is above a certain level.”
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Well, I think you have me confused with some rich tycoon that has dual residences, going back and forth.
I have not been in the US since 2004. I did start social security while living in Europe, and had direct deposit into my European bank bank. It is now into my Philippine bank.
I have never had one word from the IRS, and I do not know any expats that have. We get only a dead or alive letter from SS once every few years.
My income is so low, I would not be a blip on their screen.
The best part is that I live a nice life on next to nothing


49 posted on 10/20/2013 10:27:07 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Fai Mao
I do not encourage people to leave the US

The world has changed to the point that there's no longer a need to pick just one place to have a house, work, shop, visit family, and see a doctor.  These days communication and transportation is so cheap we can do each of those things in places that are hundreds if not thousands of miles apart.

imho working and shopping is the US is great and seeing a doctor and a dentist in Latin America is best.

50 posted on 10/21/2013 4:06:03 AM PDT by expat_panama
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