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Wa state sued to reveal opponents of GMO initiative

Posted on 10/20/2013 5:39:55 PM PDT by djf

Initiative 522 in Washington state gets voted on in the general election in November.

It would require MOST items sold in supermarkets to plainly label "May contain GMO products".

Opposition has been fierce, as it was in California when a similar initiative was proposed - and lost out.

The anti-disclosure people set up a PAC to front the advertising campaign, and refused to say who was what, so a lawsuit was filed.

The PAC lost the suit - and was forced to tell who had contributed what.

So here you go, folks - These are the businesses who don't want you to know what is in your food, and the amounts contributed:

PepsiCo, Inc. – $1,620,899

Nestle USA Inc. – $1,052,743

The Coca-Cola Company – $1,047,332

General Mills Inc. – $598,819

ConAgra Foods – $285,281

Campbell Soup Company – $265,140

The Hershey Company – $248,305

The J.M. Smucker Company – $241,091

Kellogg Company – $221,852

Mondelez Global LLC – $144,895

Flowers Foods Inc. – $141,288

Abbott Nutrition – $127,459

Pinnacle Foods Group LLC – $120,846

Dean Foods Company – $120,245

McCormick & Company Inc – $102,208

Land O’Lakes, Inc. – $99,803

Cargill Inc. – $98,601

The Hillshire Brands Company – $97,398

Bunge North America, Inc. – $94,993

Bimbo Bakeries USA – $94,693

Del Monte Foods Company – $86,576

Ocean Spray Cranberries Inc. – $55,313

Hormel Foods Corporation – $52,908

Bumble Bee Foods LLC – $36,073

Welch Foods, Inc. $28,859

Shearer’s Foods, Inc. $25,251

Rich Products Corporation – $24,049

Clement Pappas & Company Inc. – $21,043

Sunny Delight Beverages Company – $21,043

Bush Brothers & Company – $16,233

Knouse Foods Cooperative Inc. – $14,429

The Clorox Company – $12,024

Bruce Foods Corporation – $3,006

Moody Dunbar Inc. – $1,804

Now 522 may be flawed. But in my mind, it's a start and can be fine-tuned. One of the anti commercials calls it "pointless..."

It's "pointless" that you know what's in your food? POINTLESS????

HOW DARE THEY SAY THAT!!!

Anyways, just my 2 cents...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Food
KEYWORDS: antifarming; california; ibtz; outsourcingfood; theodoreroosevelt; tinfoilhatbrigade; washington
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1 posted on 10/20/2013 5:39:55 PM PDT by djf
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To: djf

Clorox?!


2 posted on 10/20/2013 5:43:54 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: djf

A major problem that needs to be resolved, likely with a constitutional amendment, is that while corporation do merit having rights, these rights are granted by government; unlike the civil rights of people that naturally exist.

Therefore, if government wishes to exclude corporations and ngo’s from being able to give campaign money, it can do so.

The end result will be that states will still charter corporations, but the federal government will afford corporations rights so that they cannot be abused by the states. (Which was the original intent of corporate civil rights in Lincoln’s time.)


3 posted on 10/20/2013 5:50:49 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: djf

Anyone stop to think that everything is genetically modified? Is cross breeding a soybean plant with another which shows better resistance to drought evil?

The CSPI is behind this. The end result is more regulation, more cost to label which will get passed on to guess who?


4 posted on 10/20/2013 5:53:10 PM PDT by slapshot
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To: djf
every food mfgr in the country should put this on their label just in case some ingredient in their product turns out to be gm without their knowledge, then their azz is already covered rather than have a lawsuit spring up out of nowhere
5 posted on 10/20/2013 5:53:47 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: djf

I think it would be safe to assume that anything with corn or soybeans in it is GMO derived.


6 posted on 10/20/2013 5:55:13 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: djf; Baynative
Now 522 may be flawed. But in my mind, it's a start and can be fine-tuned.

522 is "throw out the baby with the bathwater" shotgun legislation that does way more damage than it will ever do good. I'm agin it.

Oh, and a Washington ping while I'm at it ;')

7 posted on 10/20/2013 5:57:29 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: djf

CA requires that every store that sells any known carcinogen post a sign stating that fact (Prop 65). So every store that sells anything at all posted the sign, and we are none the better informed for it.

So every food package will state that it MAY contain GMO, and that will be that.

Surely you don’t think that Pepsi will conduct gene sequencing on all the ingredients for every batch? That’s the only way to tell if your sugar or corn starch or chocolate came from a modified organism, and sequencing is not cheap.


8 posted on 10/20/2013 5:57:43 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Chode

That’s what I was thinking too. It will end up like those “may cause cancer in California” labels. I got a kick out of a notice in the local rag about a meeting of the anti-gmo types at the local vegan restaurant. The owner of the restaurant was holding the event because “people need to know what they are eating”. Restaurants will NOT be required to label their dishes for GMO contents!


9 posted on 10/20/2013 6:00:19 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: djf

It’s going to cost Bruce more than that to re-do their labels - looks like smart money on their part. They probably ought to consider pulling out of the state if this passes.


10 posted on 10/20/2013 6:02:04 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: djf

Will certified organic produce growers have to label their products as having been fertilized with animal shit?


11 posted on 10/20/2013 6:05:46 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: djf

Did anyone sue to get the names of the groups supporting I-522?


12 posted on 10/20/2013 6:07:16 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: djf
What do the farmers say?
13 posted on 10/20/2013 6:08:40 PM PDT by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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To: 21twelve; All

The only comparison I can think of is this.

Do you think it is a good idea for the FDA to require food manufacturers to put labels/references on products that contain peanuts, peanut oil, or peanut flour?

Many people might called that a “useless” regulation... but NO ONE who has a peanut allergy would say that.

Will it save lives?
Probably.

How many?
Hard to say.

Did prices skyrocket when producers started labeling peanut containing items?
Not that I recall.


14 posted on 10/20/2013 6:14:08 PM PDT by djf (Global warming is turning out to be a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: SeaHawkFan

“Did anyone sue to get the names of the groups supporting I-522?”

They are totally benevolent. No self interest on that side.


15 posted on 10/20/2013 6:14:46 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (If global warming exists I hope it is strong enough to reverse the Big Government snowball)
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To: djf
This is a horrible initiative. The small farmer would need to hire a battery of lawyers (in essence) to comply with the paper work. I see small farmers unable to comply and selling out to corporate farms who can manage onerous regulations better. Means higher prices / oligopoly of farms.

There is a direct correlation with what I saw in the forest products industry and FSC (a European forest “certification” program. Decimated the small tree farmer)

God d*mn euro treet huggers at it now on farms.

16 posted on 10/20/2013 6:17:42 PM PDT by llevrok (Democrats are LAW-LESS because the GOP is Ball-Less)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Initiative 522 in Washington state gets voted on in the general election in November. It would require MOST items sold in supermarkets to plainly label "May contain GMO products"... So here you go, folks - These are the businesses who don't want you to know what is in your food, and the amounts contributed...
GMO, yeah, that's really scary. Malnutrition? Starvation? Obamacare? Even moreso. Tinfoil hat brigade ping.


17 posted on 10/20/2013 6:18:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SeaHawkFan
Did anyone sue to get the names of the groups supporting I-522?

Euro scum who have infiltrated academia and Seattle limousine liberals.

18 posted on 10/20/2013 6:19:18 PM PDT by llevrok (Democrats are LAW-LESS because the GOP is Ball-Less)
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To: slapshot

Initiative Measure No. 522 is about the labeling of genetically-engineered food.

According to my voter’s pamphlet, the measure defines “genetically engineered” to mean “changes to genetic materials produced through techniques that directly insert DNA or RNA into organisms or that use cell fusion techniques to overcome natural barriers to cell multiplication or recombination.”

We’re not talking about cross breeding / genetic modification here. The measure deals with genetic-engineering.


19 posted on 10/20/2013 6:21:27 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITIZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: SunkenCiv

GMO, yeah, that’s really scary. Malnutrition? Starvation? Obamacare? Even moreso. Tinfoil hat brigade ping.


Correct, only people with full stomachs have time to complain.......................


20 posted on 10/20/2013 6:21:56 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: djf

Who cares if the food has a GMO in it? Most everything would would.
It is a incredibly good technology.


21 posted on 10/20/2013 6:31:32 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Under the Democrats; the Lincoln Memorial is closed; but the southern border is open)
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To: djf

Many people might called that a “useless” regulation... but NO ONE who has a peanut allergy would say that.


So I put a label on 99% of the stuff in the store that food may contain peanuts. The other 1% raise their prices to cover costs of regulation and liability and ok problem solved.

You are right, it is very cheap to put that label on and solves NOTHING.

But like many conservatives and liberals, the answer to any problem is more laws and regulations.

You know there ARE other options besides passing laws. Can you think of them?


22 posted on 10/20/2013 6:32:09 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: 21twelve
yup, once you've seen one, you ignore the rest...
23 posted on 10/20/2013 6:32:38 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: djf

If the law required food producers to actually perform genetic sequencing on each ingredient to find GM inserts, including cases where some wind-pollinated crop picks up the new genes through the air, and report on that, it may be a good law. As of now there is no way other than whole-genome sequencing to determine if your ingredients contain foreign snips.

But as it stands, it’s paperwork and labeling with no requirement to show that your food does or does not contain GMO. If I’m not sure, I put “may contain” on my jar, just like the peanut labels say now (or “processed in a facility that may also process peanut, treenut, shellfish, milk or soybeans”).

A paper law lawyer-driven with no real concrete benefit.

And we still import lots of gamma-irradiated food with no labels.


24 posted on 10/20/2013 6:39:59 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: PeterPrinciple

That did not happen.

Foods that do contain peanut products/derivatives say so on the label, the majority of foods are unaffected in the process.

For foods that DO contain peanut products/derivatives, the consumer is free to try to find a non-peanut alternative.

I don’t see that as being some sort of great burden/problem for manufacturers.

The same is true of phenylalanine. Foods containing it or it’s derivatives say so. And that is because there is a somewhat rare genetic disorder called PKU, and for people with PKU, even tiny amounts of phenylalanine will either kill them outright or make them spend the rest of their lives staring at the wall and drooling.

Is that a “useless” regulation?
Not if you have PKU. (phenylketylnuria)


25 posted on 10/20/2013 6:40:35 PM PDT by djf (Global warming is turning out to be a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: sarasmom

I Believe I read that the Washington Farmer’s Association is against it too.


26 posted on 10/20/2013 6:44:38 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: djf

It’s pretty easy to know if you have added peanut or Pa to your product. How do you assure that the stuff you buy does not have GMO in it?

For instance, how would you check your peanut flour to assure that the peanuts were not genetically modified?


27 posted on 10/20/2013 6:46:13 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Excellence
Clorox?!

Wait a min, Clorox is GMO? No wonder my clothes look retarded.

28 posted on 10/20/2013 6:46:34 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: djf

Free Trader Communists are the biggest opponents of GMO labeling.

If the GMO stuff is so good...they would not fight labeling. Heck, if my product is good...I would want to label it

The same Free Trader Communists also fought labeling on non-GMO imports, from places like Communist China and Latin America.

Most of these companies spend big money on advertising, so there is no financial excuse not to label


29 posted on 10/20/2013 6:47:46 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Fact Is: GOPe want ObamaCare.)
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To: djf
There's a difference between naturally cross-breeding crops and inserting foreign genetic material that would never occur in nature. Do you want pig DNA in your cob corn? Only if it makes the corn taste like bacon?

We do not know what the long term results of eating Frankenfoods will be. Some think the explosion of obesity is due to playing around with foods. Sure, some is due to overeating, but in the 60's we ate Wonder bread, mashed potatoes with butter, fatty pork chops fried in oil, chocolate cake with buttercream icing, whole milk, and hardly anybody was fat.

30 posted on 10/20/2013 6:50:19 PM PDT by informavoracious (Of course I want people to have healthcare, I just didn't know I was the one who would be paying...)
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To: DBrow

The newer gene-sequencing stuff is amazing.

You can put a sample in and have the whole genome mapped in like ten hours.

If you hear about a crime on tv and they say something like “Authorities won’t have the DNA testing back for three weeks...” they are BS’ing you blue right in the face!


31 posted on 10/20/2013 6:51:19 PM PDT by djf (Global warming is turning out to be a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

PCC and Whole Foods are for 522. They already charge too much for most folks to shop there regularly.

If they want more labeling on their spendy stuff, they should insist that their suppliers label their stuff.

Leave the struggling working families alone. I will maybe once a year go to these elitist stores for specific items but not he place to fill up a family grocery cart.

Also, ALL WHEAT has been genetically modified for 60 years, which is a major product in all the breads, cereals, muffins, granola, all the stuff that the health nuts live on.


32 posted on 10/20/2013 7:01:07 PM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: djf

I’m very familiar with gene sequencing. It’s very expensive on two scales, the capital investment, and the cost-per-sample.

An FBI-type STR identity check can cost $100, but whole-genome sequencing is very expensive. It’s expensive to reun the sequence, and takes a lot of computer muscle to turn the raw data into a sequence. The Whitehead Institute in Massachusetts was a pioneer in whole genome sequencing.

I’m involved in a project that uses DNA sequences to identify counterfeits. It uses whole-genome sequencing as part of setting up the anti-pirate code, which is then verified using simple qPCR. Some of the project looks at plant sequences to see if a farmer is using hybrid seeds without a license, and it costs!


33 posted on 10/20/2013 7:08:01 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: SeminoleCounty

I agree 100%!!!

Manufacturers had NO PROBLEM putting new print on their labels like “Heart Healthy” or “Cholesterol Free” or “Low Fat” if they thought those labels would boost their sales.

And the new scam, well, I call it a scam, now everything has to be “Gluten Free”


34 posted on 10/20/2013 7:10:14 PM PDT by djf (Global warming is turning out to be a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: djf

How did this initiative fail in CA? You’d figure it would be a shoe in there.

Will this pass in WA?


35 posted on 10/20/2013 7:13:12 PM PDT by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: DBrow

Well, you obviously know far more than me about the topic.

And I am sure you would agree that the technology is advancing enormously - almost on a daily basis.

I am familiar with PCR and thought about buying a kit, but then I couldn’t figure out what to do with like a gallon of my DNA!!

;-)


36 posted on 10/20/2013 7:16:04 PM PDT by djf (Global warming is turning out to be a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: djf
Anti-GMO hysteria is alarmist nonsense akin to catastrophic global warming craziness. Ignorant and ill-informed crackpots abound.
37 posted on 10/20/2013 7:16:04 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: CriticalJ

I think it has a chance - maybe a good chance of passing in Washington.

The biggest hurdle to the initiative process here is the court challenges that they have to get by in order to get on the ballot. There are very specific requirements and rulings that can effect whether or not an initiative is eligible.


38 posted on 10/20/2013 7:19:18 PM PDT by djf (Global warming is turning out to be a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: djf

From what I have read, GMO products do not have any known adverse effects on folks like some other products (peanuts, wheat, etc.). And like others have said, it is one thing to know that you manufactured your products with ingredients like peanuts, wheat, etc. It is a whole nother thing to know if the peanuts, wheat, etc. were helped along with GMOs.


39 posted on 10/20/2013 7:35:25 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: djf

I think that the problem of fear of GMO food can be handled at teh private level.

Have you heard of Mrs Gooch’s supermarkets? They got bought up by Whole Foods. But in the beginning, they’d guarantee certain things about the stuff they sold. No artificial colors, flavors, unless it was labeled as such. They’d run gas chromatography tests on each lot of produce and POST THE RESULTS! at the food bin! They did lots of stuff like that and they passed the costs on. Naturally the food was more expensive because they paid for test labs to run tests on things. They were moderately successful, imo, but never really took off. Paying 50% more for a kiwi because you know the pesticide level was only attractive to a limited set.

So for GMO food, a company can pay for genetic testing of all ingredients, certify each production lot, post the results online tied to a QR code on the package, and pass the costs on to the consumer. So GMO food will be available to anyone who wants it, with no laws involved. You could have an entire grocery store chain based on the concept, like Gooch’s, and all those who fear GMO, irradiated, pesticide residue, and anything else would be satisfied. Without a government forcing stuff on us.


40 posted on 10/20/2013 7:48:18 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: djf

http://www.genome.gov/images/content/cost_per_genome.jpg


41 posted on 10/20/2013 7:54:21 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

Well, there are a couple problems here.

You mention “the fear of GMO food...”...

Fear can be one thing, or it can be called flat out hysteria. I consider the whole (or 99%) of the current Gluten thing to be hysteria.

From what I’ve read, if someone has gluten sensitivities and they eat gluten products, THEY KNOW IT REAL SOON!

So if you see a blog where someone writes “I went gluten free and after 2 months I feel so much better” they are literally deceiving themselves, their diet may have been a problem, but it was not gluten.

And look. As far as GMO’s go, knowing that a food is or might be GMO tells you almost nothing.

What does that mean? Glow in the dark Mac’n Cheese?
Higher protein content? More drought resistant plants?

These things are probably even if not beneficial probably innocuous.

BUT!!!!

If the food is one that has had BT genes inserted, I WANT TO KNOW!
If they have been genetically tweaked to be “Round-Up Ready” I WANT TO KNOW!

I guess I am in favor of putting the info out there and letting the market decide rather than never telling your consumers “Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!”


42 posted on 10/20/2013 8:07:56 PM PDT by djf (Global warming is turning out to be a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: Chode

A little smiley face GM sticker on all products should cover it. Reminds me of the California may contain substaces that cause cancer. The warning is on everything in California.


43 posted on 10/20/2013 8:08:43 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: djf

Just wondering, Which is better, GMO food or mass starvation on a global scale? ALL corn, ALL soybeans, and much of the rice grown today are GMO and have been since the 1930’s. Corn yield in 1930 was 30 bushels per acre, Corn yield today is 140-145 bushels per acre. Population in 1930 was about 2 billion, population today is over 7 billion.

Are you the one who gets to choose which 5 billion die?


44 posted on 10/20/2013 8:26:10 PM PDT by RetiredNavy ("Only accurate firearms are interesting")
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To: Cold Heart
kinda like the "Trophy's" they hand out after all the soccer games where nobody wins, but everybody is a winner... they lose their meaning when everything has one
45 posted on 10/20/2013 8:33:17 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: RetiredNavy

Nowhere have I said “Do away with GMO food.”
Or “Ban GMO food”

Nowhere.


46 posted on 10/20/2013 8:35:40 PM PDT by djf (Global warming is turning out to be a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: djf

Well, since it is no great burden/problem for manufactures, how about making the products that have no GMO post that fact?


47 posted on 10/20/2013 8:44:14 PM PDT by Kent1957
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To: PeterPrinciple

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48 posted on 10/20/2013 9:11:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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49 posted on 10/20/2013 9:13:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: informavoracious

Exactly. I’m absolutely shocked at most of the comments here. Genetic modification is not cross-pollination by any stretch of the imagination! People should watch the movie “Food, Inc.” on YouTube. Farmers are being sued by Monsanto if they even act like they’re going to re-use or wash seeds from previous years crops. And of course, the farmers don’t have the $$ to fight a big corporation like Monsanto so they use the GM seeds that Monsanto has patented since they don’t have a choice.

Hardly any companies use “real” sugar cane anymore to sweeten their products. They use GM corn to make High Fructose Corn Syrup to sweeten soft drinks, etc. Which is why Pepsi and Coke are at the top of the list. Unbelievable that folks don’t know this or don’t seem to be worried about it.


50 posted on 10/20/2013 9:32:01 PM PDT by ASouthernGrl (BHO sucks - literally or metaphorically, you decide.)
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