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The $7 billion warship..: US Navy's largest destroyer ever built gets ready to set sail
UK Daily Mail ^ | October 21, 2013 | Staff

Posted on 10/21/2013 6:04:10 AM PDT by C19fan

With its fearsome array of weapons, radar evading silhouette and $7billion price tag, this is one of America's most deadly - and expensive - warships ever. USS Zumwalt - the largest destroyer ever made - is just days away from leaving the specially constructed dry docks and entering the water. Equipped with guns capable of firing warheads 100 miles, stealth features, and engine able to generate enough power to run 78,000 homes, America is hoping it with guarantee its naval supremacy for decades to come.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: destroyer; navy; zumwalt
I think the last time a warship employed the tumblehome design was French designed pre-dreadnaughts.
1 posted on 10/21/2013 6:04:10 AM PDT by C19fan
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2 posted on 10/21/2013 6:06:51 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: C19fan

... and a ram bow.


3 posted on 10/21/2013 6:09:58 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: C19fan

LOL! I thought “dreadnought” as soon as I saw the photo.


4 posted on 10/21/2013 6:10:45 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: C19fan
stealth features

Fine and dandy if this thing is going hunting on its own... but they rarely do.
And the vessels it will be keeping company with are huge radar targets.

Time was when destroyers were "The Expendables" of the fleet.
At $7 billion per copy, I guess that strategy has changed...

5 posted on 10/21/2013 6:11:09 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: C19fan

LOL! I thought “dreadnought” as soon as I saw the photo.


6 posted on 10/21/2013 6:11:15 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: C19fan

aka the Elmo


7 posted on 10/21/2013 6:12:47 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Occupy the DC Mall - take back the monuments)
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To: C19fan

Looks like an above sea submarine, guess with good reason, it’s an ironclad. Impressive, frightening looking monster. Rather Titanic-like, though.


8 posted on 10/21/2013 6:14:48 AM PDT by madison10
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To: NonValueAdded

aka: the Zoomie


9 posted on 10/21/2013 6:15:31 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: grobdriver
There has been a lot of discussion about whether the Zumwalt actually fulfills a destroyer role or perhaps a battleship role. Of course one can argue that we do not need a battleship and perhaps we do not need an expensive and fancy destroyer. But at least the notion of a powerful land attack ship lurking off a coast or haunting sea lanes does have historical precedence, and the stealth feature of such a lone hunter makes some sense.

But we really haven't fought a serious naval battle since 1944. The Navy is searching for something new and exciting -- subs and carriers no longer seem glamorous, I guess.

10 posted on 10/21/2013 6:17:47 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: C19fan

It looks like this ship also has superfiring guns. I don’t think the US has built a ship with these since the 50s.


11 posted on 10/21/2013 6:19:14 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: C19fan

They should have called it the USS Monitor.


12 posted on 10/21/2013 6:20:39 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: C19fan

First thing I thought of was the submarine ride at Disneyland. This is probably a little bit more expensive, though.


13 posted on 10/21/2013 6:23:41 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: bmwcyle

3 billion a pop? Stealth? What happens when the first missile is fired? Shore bombardment from 100 miles? How often do we invade anymore? The Marines are becoming obsolete last I heard.


14 posted on 10/21/2013 6:28:58 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: JoeProBono
I've seen this silhouette someplace before....


15 posted on 10/21/2013 6:29:30 AM PDT by llevrok (Democrats are LAW-LESS because the GOP is Ball-Less)
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To: skeeter

.....and them Elvis Sideburns......[only a veteran from the time of Elmo would appreciate that]


16 posted on 10/21/2013 6:31:47 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ClearCase_guy
I know nuthin' from nuthin' ... but after reading the article, I conclude there is too much electronics and computers and not enough men.

I have this image of one guy in a circular, or semi-circular "cubicle" responsible for a bank of computers. I don't know HOW the innards are configured, but that's the image I see.

My knowledge of naval warfare comes from movies that show a bunch of guys, fluidly in each other's way, talking, communicating .. being involved with a .. or many decisions .. and accomplishing a task.

If my fantasy is close to correct ... what happens when the guy in the cubicle freezes, or runs into a situation he could use some input ... ?

I don't know ... I'm just thinkin' stuff.

17 posted on 10/21/2013 6:32:50 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof .... but they're true)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

How often do we invade anymore? Iraq, North Africa, etc., I sure there will be more.


18 posted on 10/21/2013 6:33:46 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: knarf; Jeff Head

Chime in, bro ...


19 posted on 10/21/2013 6:33:57 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof .... but they're true)
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To: llevrok

20 posted on 10/21/2013 6:37:16 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: whitedog57

That’s funny. I thought “CSS Merrimac” only the builder had the plans upside down when he built the hull section.


21 posted on 10/21/2013 6:40:08 AM PDT by T. Rustin Noone (the angel wanna wear my red shoes......)
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To: C19fan

$7 billion, but not enough left over to buy a flag?


22 posted on 10/21/2013 6:40:13 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2

Hussein will probably have them raise the flag with HIS ugly face in place of the stars; after all it is HIS military! /sarc


23 posted on 10/21/2013 6:43:38 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
subs and carriers no longer seem glamorous, I guess.

That would be unfortunate as they are the backbone of our Navy.
There has long been a battle between "black shoes" and "brown shoes" for control over the direction our Navy takes.
Having been a part of the canoe club for many years (and on the side of the brown shoes) I hope this excursion into overpriced weapons doesn't remain a trend.

Carriers and subs project our power. Everything else is support.
God help us to someday have a national leader who understands this.

24 posted on 10/21/2013 6:46:18 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: grobdriver

That’s what I was thinking. Doctrine was little ships take fire so big ships don’t. If you make invisible-expensive little ships, doctrine must change. I assume they thought this through.


25 posted on 10/21/2013 6:46:19 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: C19fan

The hull form reminds me a lot of the 36-knot post-WWI Italian light cruisers. Pronounced tumblehome and a wave-cutting bow. They were wet but stable and the fastest cruisers in the world at that time.


26 posted on 10/21/2013 6:46:35 AM PDT by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: jboot

One of those Italian destroyers was mentioned in the Guiness Book of World Records. The Bartolomeo Colleoni, IRRC. Could hit almost 40kts. But it was sunk by an Australian warship (HMAS Sydney, a cruiser?). BTW, isn’t this destroyer a de facto cruiser. Seeing as it can act independently from a task force and hit hard, it kind of seems like one.


27 posted on 10/21/2013 6:51:29 AM PDT by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: dangerdoc; grobdriver
You are both right, but these ships aren't destroyers in any traditional sense of the word. They are weapons platforms meant for power projection, not fleet defense. In that, they are closer to the "arsenal ships" discussed in the late 20th century, or for that matter to the Iowa-class BBs.

Whether these ships will be any use in future engagements is yet to be seen. But at $7 billion, I can guarantee that they will never pay for themselves.

28 posted on 10/21/2013 6:55:39 AM PDT by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Its been the Surface Navy’s R&D platform since the 90s...lots of new things from automated systems, electric drive to the Guns....it will be the 1st platform for the for the directed energy weapons. It is more a battleship than destroyer....that has been perfected for now with the Burke class. Navy was going to buy 30 of them....but its just too expensive so we continued to build DDG-51s and will build 3 of these, meaning one will always be available.


29 posted on 10/21/2013 6:56:51 AM PDT by The Klingon
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To: T. Rustin Noone
That’s funny. I thought “CSS Merrimac”

That would be CSS Virginia, built on the USS Merrimac.

30 posted on 10/21/2013 7:02:33 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: knarf
I conclude there is too much electronics and computers and not enough men

It goes back to the old argument, is it better to have a few high-tech weapons or a many low-tech weapons?

I don't know the answer to that one. But I will point out that Germany produced about 1000 Tiger Tanks. The Soviets produced about 50,000 T-34's. And we all know how that turned out.

31 posted on 10/21/2013 7:04:32 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: rjsimmon

You are absolutely correct. I knew that and posted anyway as I thought that there were few who will remember the Virginia but many who will remember the Merrimac. Thank you for the clarification.


32 posted on 10/21/2013 7:07:02 AM PDT by T. Rustin Noone (the angel wanna wear my red shoes......)
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To: JoeProBono

The (prospective) captain’s name is James Kirk. Yep, serious.


33 posted on 10/21/2013 7:07:19 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: C19fan

Our current destroyers can fire up to 128 Tomahawk missiles - some improvement!


34 posted on 10/21/2013 7:24:24 AM PDT by impactplayer (The rich in the Bible)
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To: steelhead_trout
Heh, I was thinking of the Colleoni. She turned 36-plus knots on her power trials and she and her sisters were the fastest crusers in the world at the time. She was sunk in a running battle with HMAS Sydney and multiple allied vessels. There was nothing wrong with her design, or even her officers or crew. But along with the rest of the Regia Italia she was a victim of the ineptitude and indolence of the Italian Admiralty and the foolishness of Il Duce's policies.

It is hard to class the Zumwalt. Although she is called a destroyer, she is the size of a large cruiser. Her mission is more akin to a cruiser than that of a destroyer, but is even closer akin to the long-cancelled Arsenal Ship or even the late, lamented Iowas.

35 posted on 10/21/2013 7:27:43 AM PDT by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: impactplayer

The shape does remind me of the later Ironclads of the Confederacy—like the CSS Tenessee ot the CSS Albermarle. What’s old is new again—I guess. This ship seems to pack a good punch.


36 posted on 10/21/2013 7:38:05 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: whitedog57

I thought it looks like something from a James Bond flick. Neat though.


37 posted on 10/21/2013 7:51:02 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (LIV's are products of an incomplete education.)
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To: jboot
They were wet but stable

Interesting tidbit from the Wikipedia entry on this vessel:
They have to ballast the ship in order to fire the guns, for stability!

38 posted on 10/21/2013 7:52:07 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: knarf

I helped build the Spruance class destroyers.

Unless things have changed, everything on a ship is pretty much squared off. Simple to build and a lot less wasted space.

I got to sit in one of the chairs in the control room. It was just a temporary chair while work was being done, didn’t want to give the navy a used chair, but it was the same type of chair.

Didn’t want to get up. Kind of a Lazy Boy feel.


39 posted on 10/21/2013 8:34:29 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: knarf

Looks like there aren’t enough spare bodies in the crew. Many of the jobs I did aboard ship had twice as many people present as were actually needed to to the job as “spares”, to replace casualties and fight fires and flooding.

I could manually operate the dead reckoning tracer (DRT) in the combat information center (CIC), with the electronic “bug” not working, and calculate closest point of approach, range and bearing info on surface contacts.

20 year old eyes looking through properly collimated binoculars could see and estimate range on targets out to the horizon. One of our lookouts could see masthead and range lights at night out to where part of the ship was over the edge of the horizon. Sometimes he picked them up before the radar operator was reporting them.

What does this new vessel do without GPS? (After the Chinese knock ours out).


40 posted on 10/21/2013 11:41:03 AM PDT by CPO retired
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USS ZUMWALT, DDG-1000

They are more like $3.5 billion a piece. The R&D for the Radars, the PVLS, and numerous other technological innovations will be used on many other platforms so are not rightly ammortized over these three vessels alone.

41 posted on 10/21/2013 11:54:35 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: CPO retired
Thanx, Chief ... I appreciate the info ...

I know the Chinese have been building a navy for at least 5 or 6 years (maybe longer ... ) and to hear we have one new one with maybe two on the way is .... um .... comforting.

42 posted on 10/21/2013 12:13:09 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof .... but they're true)
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To: knarf

Well, three of these on the way.

In the same time frame we have built a dozen more of the Burke class destroyers, which are a match for anything the ChiComms are producing.

They have built 10 new destroyers in that time frame and 20 really modern frigates.


43 posted on 10/21/2013 8:35:11 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: CPO retired
Looks like there aren’t enough spare bodies in the crew.

158 crew for a hull the size of a WWII cruiser? No way that's going to go well when the shit hits the fan. The Navy is already realizing that the minimal manning for the LCS is a total cluster just for peacetime steaming, let alone combat ops.

44 posted on 10/21/2013 8:59:41 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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