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Watch Your Guns Around Obamacare
Townhall.com ^ | 10/21/2013 | Rachel Alexander

Posted on 10/21/2013 6:57:30 AM PDT by rktman

What does gun control have to do with health care? As odd as it seems, Obamacare contains provisions that jeopardize gun ownership, especially for veterans. Anti-gun provisions were added to initial drafts of Obamacare legislation under the pretext of prohibiting people with mental illness – which can include PTSD - from owning guns. Fortunately, the NRA stepped in and got some of the worst language revised last December. Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c. prohibits the creation of a firearms database and stops doctors from disclosing or collecting information relating to a patient’s firearms. Ironically, this provision was probably the only positive result of most members of Congress not bothering to read the bill before voting on it.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; bigbrother; cultureofcorruption; guncontrol; gungrabbers; huaca; nannystate; obamacare; orwelliannightmare; secondamendment; sneaky; stalinisttactics
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Be vewy vewy careful. Of course not everybody has to or needs to sign up for obiecare. But there are also things in medicare to watch out for. Apparently I am past due for my "depression screening", "behaviour assessment" and my "smoking cessation eval". Dang it. I guess I'd better get on the phone right away huh?
1 posted on 10/21/2013 6:57:30 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

My doctor never goes there, but if he did, I’d lie. And change doctors.


2 posted on 10/21/2013 7:00:02 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: rktman

My daughter and son-in-law were down in my fortress/basement this weekend.

They perused, they browsed and they looked. When one of them said ‘ammunition’ I said “what ammunition” When the other said “what’s in those three gun safes?” I said “what gun safes?”

What do you think I’m gonna tell a doctor?


3 posted on 10/21/2013 7:02:44 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: rktman
I find it unbelievable how many people (particularly old folks), who when asked by their doctor or whoever if they have any guns, will answer with some stupid non-committal answer other than NO!

Get it through your head folks - anything other than a strong "NO" means yes! (And since it's the government here, even a strong no may bring a stasi-style investigation if you don't make that "NO" believable.

4 posted on 10/21/2013 7:05:37 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Kenton

Bingo!


5 posted on 10/21/2013 7:05:40 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Kenton

My doctor never goes there, but if he did, I’d lie. And change doctors.

My doctor is a shooter so no problem. The VA may be a problem though.


6 posted on 10/21/2013 7:07:10 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Gaffer

Don’t worry about the doctor. Your son-in-law on the other hand............LOL! If I went in your basement I wouldn’t even think of asking you what’s in your secured safes. Not my business. Now, if you offered up the info and were willing to open up your indoor range..............


7 posted on 10/21/2013 7:07:10 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: Slump Tester

When asked about my hearing loss and if it is firearm related, I simply tell them too many years of LOUD guitars. Well, LOUD amps anyway. My solid body guitars don’t make much noise at all until the amps get cranked to “11”. What?


8 posted on 10/21/2013 7:10:04 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: rktman
I did not go in for my "welcome to Medicare" free interview. They haven't bothered me about it yet and it has been a few years. I also opted out of Part B.

I really disagree that people went along with guns being forbidden to people "for mental health reasons". Of course I don't want crazy people with guns. But I certainly don't want the feds deciding who's crazy and who isn't.

9 posted on 10/21/2013 7:11:16 AM PDT by grania
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To: Kenton

I was checking on renters insurance with Amica a couple of months ago and the insurance agent asked me if I had any firearms in my residence. I refused to answer the question.

For some reason Amica considers them a liability. Nevermind that they prevent and stop crime 2.5 million times a year according to the DoJ including in the home.


10 posted on 10/21/2013 7:11:53 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: rktman

Actually, I don’t have to worry about my SIL...my daughter can outshoot him any day of the week, she with a 6” S&W 686 357 mag and he with a 1911 (I gave both after they completed a handgun and range course and got their CCWs).

She is deadly with her 686. She shoots inside the 8,9.10 center rings at the full extent of our indoor range we use.


11 posted on 10/21/2013 7:11:59 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: grania

LOL! I think they’ve already decided and it’s us.


12 posted on 10/21/2013 7:12:19 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: rktman
"I was looking at my chart and it said that I was difficult. Why would they write that?" from Seinfeld episode The Package
13 posted on 10/21/2013 7:12:21 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: rktman

I don’t have any guns. They scare my cat...


14 posted on 10/21/2013 7:12:32 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: BigCinBigD

“Why would I have guns in my house? That’s what police are for.”
“I don’t have smoke detectors or fire extinguishers either. Same reason.”


15 posted on 10/21/2013 7:14:40 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kenton

My doc never goes there either but I’m always as happy as a clam. No depression here.


16 posted on 10/21/2013 7:14:50 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: rktman

Repeat it often and loudly, “NO ‘MENTAL HEALTH’ SCREENING FOR GUN OWNERSHIP”. Criminally insane is criminally insane. LOCK UP THE CRAZIES.

If they are not going to be held legally accountable for their actions, then they need confinement or a legal guardian in their protective custody at all times.

The drugs don’t make people “normal”, they make them “pass for normal”.

The crazies can kill with poison, cars, knives, pillows, fists, etc. Gun control is just that gun control.

I loathe the despotic Left.


17 posted on 10/21/2013 7:15:29 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: grania

That’s why I think everyone including felons, the mentally ill, et al should be allowed to own them. Once they say one group can’t they can expand the definition of that group and eventually include all others.

If they use them irresponsibly let the responsible ones closest by take care of that problem immediately. Once they understand the responsible people won’t put up with that crap they’ll be much more careful.


18 posted on 10/21/2013 7:17:08 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: rktman

Nobody has the slightest idea of all the provisions hidden within Obamacare’s thousands of pages of legislation. During a visit to my doctor, I saw my photograph on the electronic records system mandated by Obamacare. It was the photo on my driver license. The photo was provided by the state DMV to the electronic medical records database. Presented as a safety measure for law enforcement during traffic stops, if a person has a CHL, that same DMV records system also automatically reports it to anybody querying the database.


19 posted on 10/21/2013 7:19:03 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Gaffer

I have some safes that hold precious heirlooms, some clothes, and old pictures that have Hello Kitty, baseball pictures and other stuff on them. No gun safes.


20 posted on 10/21/2013 7:22:55 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Kenton

Gee Doc, what part of “NONE OF YOUR (Expletive Deleted) BUSINESS” did you not understand?


21 posted on 10/21/2013 7:24:24 AM PDT by Dracomeister (The older I get the less I care about what other people think.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Guns are effective in resisting tyranny.
That’s why the left despises them.


22 posted on 10/21/2013 7:24:33 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: PowderMonkey

Bingo. They already know. Being ambiguous does no good. All you can do is be prepared to fight.


23 posted on 10/21/2013 7:25:19 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: rktman

What guns?

I don’t know what you’re talking about, doctor?


24 posted on 10/21/2013 7:27:02 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Mine all have baseball cards.


25 posted on 10/21/2013 7:27:13 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: rktman

Thank Goodness for Obamacare: Hidden Amendment Prevents Gun and Ammo Registry

Kyle Becker | On 09, Jan 2013

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/29003-thank-goodness-for-obamacare-hidden-amendment-prevents-gun-and-ammo-registry/


26 posted on 10/21/2013 7:27:14 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Slump Tester

“NO!” also means “I’m unarmed! Please send a thug or three to kill and rob me!” “Nunya Bidness” is the answer I will give.


27 posted on 10/21/2013 7:27:31 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Slump Tester
Do I have guns? NO! Guns are scary and dangerous! And they smell like oil!

So I've heard, anyways.

28 posted on 10/21/2013 7:29:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
NO!” also means “I’m unarmed! Please send a thug or three to kill and rob me!”

Oh, gosh, that would be awful. I bet all the thugs would just walk away with all my belongings and me in plastic cuffs, heading for a FEMA camp!

;^)

29 posted on 10/21/2013 7:30:40 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: rktman

So I had a hip replaced and got home health care, which I didn’t really need but the nurse showed up anyway. She quizzed me on dressing and drugs taking, I guess to make sure I was mentally ok...this was a bit offensive. But she was nice so I cooperated. Then she asked how many guns I had in the house. I asked her why my hip replacement required that I answer that question. She said she had to ask but I didn’t have to answer, so I didn’t.

This was before Obamacare rules so it is there still I’m sure.


30 posted on 10/21/2013 7:37:16 AM PDT by JeanLM (Obama proves melanin is just enough to win elections)
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To: MrB

Obama himself is supplying guns to narcoterrorists in Mexico and to Islamic jihadists in Syria.

FUBO


31 posted on 10/21/2013 7:41:21 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: grania

> I did not go in for my “welcome to Medicare” free interview.

What interview?
I signed up for “A” only about 2 years ago.


32 posted on 10/21/2013 7:41:49 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I’m depressed. I have been since Obama made his first speech and relatives started slobbering all over themselves. So I went out and bought a gun right after he was elected. I sold it through a newspaper ad and I have no idea what the buyer’s name was. Guns scare me.

(Did you get all that, NSA?)


33 posted on 10/21/2013 7:43:15 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: a fool in paradise

LOL! Gun control is peon control. We used to have nut houses all over the country but the libs had them emptied to gain voters and because they didn’t want the inmates to “feel bad” about themselves. Some people just need locking up for our own good. I mean their own good. Ooopppps!


34 posted on 10/21/2013 7:43:54 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: BuffaloJack

You did not get a letter for a free medical checkup? The one with all of the nosey questions?


35 posted on 10/21/2013 7:45:01 AM PDT by grania
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To: VerySadAmerican

I lost ‘em all in a terrible boating accident years ago.

;)


36 posted on 10/21/2013 7:52:34 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look.)
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To: rktman
It's not necessary to excerpt the article

Watch Your Guns Around Obamacare

Rachel Alexander | Oct 21, 2013

>What does gun control have to do with health care? As odd as it seems, Obamacare contains provisions that jeopardize gun ownership, especially for veterans. Anti-gun provisions were added to initial drafts of Obamacare legislation under the pretext of prohibiting people with mental illness – which can include PTSD - from owning guns. Fortunately, the NRA stepped in and got some of the worst language revised last December. Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c. prohibits the creation of a firearms database and stops doctors from disclosing or collecting information relating to a patient’s firearms. Ironically, this provision was probably the only positive result of most members of Congress not bothering to read the bill before voting on it.

However, the provision does not go as far as prohibiting doctors from asking their patients if there are any firearms in their home. In January, Obama issued 23 executive actions and orders regarding firearms. Order 16 stressed that Obamacare does not prohibit doctors from asking patients about their firearms, and the fact sheet includes, “Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence.” What constitutes a “threat of violence” could be very arbitrary. This puts doctors in a difficult position by suggesting they act as pseudo-law enforcement agents. It is damaging to doctor-patient privilege. If doctors have a patient with PTSD or mental illness, and they fail to ask the patient about their firearms, or report them to law enforcement, they could be on the hook later. It encourages them to err on the side of snooping into their patients’ guns. This is especially troubling considered the definition of mental illness keeps expanding.

The state of Florida implemented legislation that would have severely restricted a doctor’s ability to ask a patient about guns at home, but a federal court struck it down as unconstitutional. After the NRA got that provision added, the organization backed off on pressing for further changes, no doubt because trying to get more changes done at that time would have been impossible with the Democratic-controlled Senate and presidency. But there are still areas within our healthcare laws that could prohibit Americans from owning firearms – specifically our veterans.

In the 1990s, the Clinton administration ordered the Department of Veteran Affairs to share information about 90,000 veterans considered “mentally defective” by the VA to the FBI, so they could be added to the national instant check system (NICS) as prohibited possessors. To be declared “mentally defective” by the VA does not require an adjudication; it could be a doctor merely finding that a veteran has a mental illness and “lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs.” That could easily be held to apply to a veteran with PTSD who is simply in a wheelchair. The definition of “mental defective” by Veteran Affairs expanded under Clinton in 1999. The number of Americans now in the prohibited possessors database has increased to over 550,000 and 11 percent of them are veterans. Nearly 40 percent of veterans are believed to have PTSD.

Under Obamacare, federal agencies like the ATF can still pore over health records and determine who has mental issues or PTSD. There is nothing in Obamacare that prohibits another federal agency from compiling a database of gun owners.

Gun Owners of America warns that the next step will be linking insurance with gun ownership. Some private insurers, including State Farm and Prudential, drop homeowners from their policies for owning certain types of guns or not using trigger locks. It’s not difficult to see how this could be adopted as a requirement of Obamacare in the vague name of “health.”

The problem with linking gun control with health care is that everyone knows gun crimes are almost always caused by criminals who illegally obtained the weapons, not law-abiding gun owners. Painting all veterans who have PTSD as potential criminals isn’t going to stop the real criminals. There are hundreds of shooting and hunting excursions available for veterans today to specifically help them cope with PTSD. To arbitrarily exclude all of these patriots from rehabilitation with proven results is political manipulation at its worst. Taya Kyle, the widow of the American Sniper who was shot by a mentally ill veteran while helping him shoot for rehabilitation, now speaks out against restricting Second Amendment rights. It wasn’t the killer's PTSD that caused the murder, he had a much more troubled history than just PTSD.

Organizations like the NRA and Gun Owners of America continue to expose these sneaky backdoor attempts at gun control. There are plenty of health-care groups clamoring to have Obamacare limit gun ownership, like the American Academy of Pediatrics. They’re not going to stop, as revisions can still be added to Obamacare to tweak it. David Satcher, a surgeon general under President Bill Clinton, who headed the Centers for Disease Control in the 1990s, is blatantly open that the goal is to create a national database of gun owners through Obamacare. “Privacy needs to be protected, but it’s important that this kind of data be gathered,” he said. These feel-good measures actually endanger safety, not promote it. As the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre says, “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

37 posted on 10/21/2013 7:53:07 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: LibLieSlayer

New EPA Regs Force Last Lead Smelter in USA to Close
By Nick Leghorn on October 21, 2013

According to TFB, the final source for lead in the United States will be forced to shut down thanks to the new EPA standards that the Obama administration is mandating. Apparently the facility would cost $100 million to bring up to code, and the company that runs it would rather strip the site and sell it than spend the money to refurbish it. From STL Today . . .

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/


38 posted on 10/21/2013 7:54:56 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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Hey Kas. I didn’t want to take up too much space and left it up to the FReepers to decide if they wanted to read the whole thing. Sometimes I just read the excerpt and it’s enough to make blood squirt from my eyes. LOL!


39 posted on 10/21/2013 7:58:30 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: rktman

“When asked about my hearing loss and if it is firearm related, I simply tell them too many years of LOUD guitars.”

I simply tell them, “Too many years on small stages, with the drummer’s cymbals in one ear or the other. I played sitting down. Pedal steel. Terrible tinnitis from the ride cymbals.


40 posted on 10/21/2013 8:02:11 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

LOL! I keep thinking the phone is ringing. I guess that’s why some guitar player came up with the idea of putting a plexiglass cage around the drummers these days. We would toss the drummer treats like a little monkey.


41 posted on 10/21/2013 8:05:00 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: rktman

LOL! I can’t even hear a phone ringing. I have to see it light up! It’s in the frequency range blocked by the tinnitis. We threatened our drummer with the “cage,” and he went electronic. Really lowered the stage volume. I was able to use my 56 Pro Amp for Tele, and the Vibroverb for steel. I never had a better sound! But it was too late for my hearing.


42 posted on 10/21/2013 8:09:53 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dracomeister
"Gee Doc, what part of “NONE OF YOUR (Expletive Deleted) BUSINESS” did you not understand?"

That answer would merely generate a polite apology from your Doctor as he entered "gunowner" on your medical records. The only safe answer is "no". Any answer other than "NO" will be taken as a "Yes".

43 posted on 10/21/2013 8:12:57 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: PowderMonkey
"Presented as a safety measure for law enforcement during traffic stops, if a person has a CHL, that same DMV records system also automatically reports it to anybody querying the database."

This is why I think everyone should keep at least some of their firearms buried somewhere in PVC pipes. So they won't be discovered during a thorough house search.

44 posted on 10/21/2013 8:15:30 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: KeyLargo

No more batteries and no more electric cars.


45 posted on 10/21/2013 8:24:57 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Cyber Liberty
"“Nunya Bidness” is the answer I will give."

And your name will be put on the "yes" list. Remedial actions will be taken later when the commies are further entrenched.

46 posted on 10/21/2013 8:32:35 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

We couldn’t convince our drummer to go the “E” route. He played real hard and everybody had to crank it up to be heard over him. With all the inovations today, the “E” drums probably feel like the “real” drums of old. And it really makes it super easy to do the mixing board too when they convert. No more vicious loops from the drum mikes.


47 posted on 10/21/2013 8:34:25 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: rktman

They know who you are and who your friends, relatives, and neighbors are. First, people who have even a slight nervous or emotional disorder will be forbidden guns. Then, if anyone in your household has a “disorder,” including ADHD, you will be forbidden guns. Then, if anyone in that category is related to you or friends with you and might visit your home, you will be forbidden guns. Then, if anyone who lives in your neighborhood who has a disorder and might visit your home, you will be forbidden guns. See how that works? It’s for your safety and well-being.


48 posted on 10/21/2013 8:46:53 AM PDT by informavoracious (Of course I want people to have healthcare, I just didn't know I was the one who would be paying...)
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To: Lazamataz

I think it would be nice if the thugs would drop me a line so I can be sure and have all my valuables boxed and ready to go.


49 posted on 10/21/2013 8:55:40 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Slump Tester

Meh. Might just say “No.” You do realize that they will put down whatever they believe anyway?


50 posted on 10/21/2013 8:56:37 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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