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‘Godfather of Hipsterdom’ Gavin McInnes: Feminism makes women miserable
The Daily Caller ^ | 10-23-2013 | Caroline May

Posted on 10/23/2013 9:27:15 PM PDT by servo1969

Gavin McInnes, co-founder of Vice and often described as “The Godfather of Hipsterdom,” kicked a hornets nest this week by suggesting that modern feminism has been detrimental to women.

“We’ve trivialized childbirth and being domestic so much that women are forced to pretend to be men. They’re feigning this toughness. They’re miserable,” McInnes said in part during a contentious and expletive-laced exchange on a HuffPost Live panel on Monday.

McInnes received forceful push back from the panel, media and social media for his comments.

The founder of Street Carnage, however, explained in an interview with The Daily Caller that he has no regrets about what he said, and that his comments were in fact very pro-woman.

“I think the most interesting thing about this story is all the controversy it generated. I consider my comments pretty mundane and when I read them in context. I don’t regret anything,” he said. “Every time I see my words quoted I go ‘yeah!’

“That study that I cited was all over the news a year ago — Lou Dobbs covered it on CNN — it didn’t seem to generate that much controversy when it came out, and all I did was cite that study and say a lot of women in the workforce would be happier at home. What is wrong with that?” he asked.

McInnes said that the real reason his comments set off such a firestorm is that “deep down” women realize what he said is true.

“I think a lot of women smash through the ‘glass ceiling’ and get to where [men] are and they go, ‘wait a minute, I thought you guys had brandy and went to strip clubs, you’re going over expense reports?’ And they see their friends from their small town with 3 kids going to soccer practice and they think, ‘That looks kind of cool, actually.’

“So I think they know I am right and that is what is making everyone freak out. All I did was point to the elephant in the room, but as I made very clear in that interview — what made me fly off the handle, too — is I am not saying women should not be in the workforce. If you were meant to be there, by all means, be there, and when I work with a qualified woman who is driven, like a Barbara Corcoran type, I love it because I get the job done,” he said.

He said that overall his words have been twisted into being anti-woman, when in fact believes his comments to be empowering.

“I see a lot of women without kids, in their 40s, who are miserable and I see a lot of women after they have children saying, ‘what the ---- was I doing? Why was I doing fashion PR? I was doing seating plans for a fashion show telling what people sit in what chair. Now I’m shaping human life,’ he explained.

“And that is another thing maybe I didn’t get across, I see the housewife as a far superior vocation to mine, and to most,” McInnes continued. “I mean I make commercials, and funny videos, and T.V. shows or whatever, film projects that people will watch for ten minutes and go ‘heh’ and get on with their day. I essentially… make comic books. You flip through it and you’re done. My wife creates life from her vagina and then — that’s just the beginning — then she shapes this human life.”

McInnes explained how much more fulfilling his wife’s day — making memories with their children — than his, working on a “------’” cheese commercial.

“Who is changing the world more?” he asked.

Of his home life, McInnes said his is a “traditional family” living in New York “an exaggeration of the liberal utopia.”

“I always describe New York as an elephant’s graveyard for ovaries,” he said. “All these unhappy women, and I am talking about 100 percent of my friends waiting too long and regretting it, and I’m not saying that you have to have babies and you have to stay in the kitchen and you can’t have a life. Nobody is saying that. That is a totally unreasonable thing to say. That is a fascist, communist thing to enforce. All I am saying is: Why are you trivializing such a miracle?”

McInnes explained that his children — ages 9 months, 5 years, and 7 years — made him believe in God and become pro-life.

“It made me religious. I was an atheist most of my life and now I am a God-fearing Catholic, because of the miracle of life. And I’m pro-life,” he said, noting that he used to be pro-choice and became pro-life with the birth of his first child.

“Amongst my peers abortion is cool,” he continued. ”It’s like, empowering, and they make jokes about it. Some of my best friends go, ‘I accept that it’s murder and I am pro-choice.’ That’s the world I live in.”

He recalled a recent party he was at, in which a pregnant woman, who was planning on having an abortion the following week, was on hallucinogenic mushrooms “and everyone was laughing at it. That’s my universe.”

According to McInnes, based on his personal experience, women who have had children are significantly less likely to have an abortion.

“I think once women experience it, they change their minds pretty quick — and that is my personal experience, you know, I cannot speak for everyone. But I am probably getting myself in more ----,” McInnes said.

“I’m sick of women who haven’t experienced [child birth] trivializing it,” he added.

On the flip side, McInnes said that men have become less masculine, ironically as a means to get more women.

“I think men are becoming beta males because feminists have told them to, but you’ll notice feminists don’t ---- those guys,” he said. “I think they are doing this and being submissive… because they are trying to get l--d.

“If women said men who dress in clown costumes are hot and cool, then they would ------’ stick a red nose on.”

McInnes continued that he sees the anti-masculinity push as intrinsically anti-capitalist.

“There is a real latent anti-entrepreneurial ethos going on in America right now with the left and I don’t see it as annoying or unfashionable. I see it as a virus because it is ultimately anti-American.

“America is unique: it was built by entrepreneurs with grit, and when— what seems just like a bunch of pussies being beta-males and women are railing against people like me simply for defending traditional families, isn’t a small deal,” he said. “I think it’s a real latent anti-Americanism that, like a virus, starts small and can really hurt us,” he explained, adding that entrepreneurs should be seen as heroes.

He went on to lament the current trend in media, which finds sitcom father figures the idiot of the family.

“If it gets a laugh fine, but we all have to check ourselves and go: ‘How about some reverence, for a change?’ We revere single moms and we revere drug dealers like Jay Z — how about we revere the people who put on food on the table? Even that Huff Post Live thing — We are sitting there -----ing on macho men while using their microphone that they invented and the infrastructure they created. Arianna Huffington is only rich because of her man entrepreneur husband.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Society
KEYWORDS: 60srevolution; culturewar; feminazis; feminism; identitypolitics; mcinnes; miserable; penisenvy; savethemales; socialism; vice; women
Congratulations, Mr. McInnes.
You have, as it used to be known, grown up.
You have moved on to the next level in life as a man should.
Many of the people you talk about have not and will never.
They are stuck in a sort of suspended animation.
They reached the level of teenager and never moved on.
Oh, their bodies, careers, and incomes have moved on but as a person they are basically the same as when they were 17-years-old; Self-centered, foolish, interested only in pleasure, living as if they can always clean up their room tomorrow.

Having children has a way of teaching people that their life isn't all about them.
It's G-d's clue-bat upside your head.
1 posted on 10/23/2013 9:27:16 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Good point. I’ve never met a happy or contented feminist. They’re always angry about something.


2 posted on 10/23/2013 9:33:23 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: servo1969
I always describe New York as an elephant’s graveyard for ovaries,” he said. “All these unhappy women, and I am talking about 100 percent of my friends waiting too long and regretting it,

He has hit life in NY (he means Manhattan) square on the head. If you stay too long there, it screws up your head.

3 posted on 10/23/2013 9:33:28 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: servo1969

When Equal Rights came along, that is to say, Gloria and Betty, etc. most women rejected it. They knew it was phony.


4 posted on 10/23/2013 9:35:08 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: servo1969

bm


5 posted on 10/23/2013 9:41:21 PM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: servo1969
“I always describe New York as an elephant’s graveyard for ovaries,” he said. “All these unhappy women, and I am talking about 100 percent of my friends waiting too long and regretting it, and I’m not saying that you have to have babies and you have to stay in the kitchen and you can’t have a life. Nobody is saying that... All I am saying is: Why are you trivializing such a miracle?”

They aren't, really, not in my acquaintance. They're desperately denying it and furious at the women who have attained it. Many of them express that incredible feeling of frustration and futility in politics. Who wouldn't worship death if she's thrown away life?

6 posted on 10/23/2013 9:41:23 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: hsalaw

Feminism is for lesbians and has stopped real woman from having families. Woman put off having children to get their careers started. But by then they are TOO OLD to have kids. There are a lot of single miserable woman in their 40 and 50’s that regret not getting married earlier and raising a family.


7 posted on 10/23/2013 9:44:46 PM PDT by Exton1
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To: Exton1
Feminism is for lesbians and has stopped real woman from having families. Woman put off having children to get their careers started. But by then they are TOO OLD to have kids. There are a lot of single miserable woman in their 40 and 50’s that regret not getting married earlier and raising a family.

It's really sad that so many STUPID women bought into that feminist TRASH. However, NO ONE forced them to believe that garbage. They were stupid to believe in it.
SO, perhaps it's just as well that those stupids didn't reproduce.

8 posted on 10/23/2013 9:48:33 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: servo1969

Refreshing article.


9 posted on 10/23/2013 11:03:01 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: servo1969

Gavin McInnes is one of my favorite guests to appear on Red Eye. He’s a riot!


10 posted on 10/23/2013 11:05:48 PM PDT by RPTMS
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To: servo1969

THe feminists have made all women unhappy as now, whether they want to or not, women have to go out and work so the bills can be paid and a house can be bought.

Mel


11 posted on 10/23/2013 11:46:06 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: servo1969

Modern feminism was founded by angry women with mental issues. Most of the leaders of radical feminism grew up as cosseted daughters of upper and rich middle class families. But their inner misery was redirected at hating males and America. That is why so many followers of angry feminism have themselves been made miserable.


12 posted on 10/24/2013 6:07:24 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: hsalaw; Revolting cat!
Good point. I’ve never met a happy or contented feminist. They’re always angry about something.

What upsets them most is that some man, somewhere, MAY be having a good time.


13 posted on 10/24/2013 6:39:24 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Revolting cat!

BRAKING HARD!

Welfare policies are designed to keep people dependent on Democrats/government.


14 posted on 10/24/2013 6:40:18 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: hsalaw
Younger women I know seem to be ignoring the feminist messaging of the 70's and 80's that completely screwed up the previous generation. The kind of pervasive anti-male hatreds that took over media during that period just don't even resonate with them.

What changed? Bill Clinton and his "one free grope" rule. Feminists had to do so much tap dancing around Clinton's peccadillos that it undercut the whole subversive message they had spent years aggressively programming the culture with. Since the late 90's, feminism has had judicial successes but big cultural reverses.

15 posted on 10/24/2013 6:51:35 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: hsalaw

The intent of feminism is to bust up the family and make 1/2 the population dependent on government.

It worked.


16 posted on 10/24/2013 6:52:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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