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Ever Hear About The Lady Who Spilled Coffee On Herself At McDonald's, Then Sued For Millions?
http://www.upworthy.com ^ | 2013 | unknown

Posted on 10/24/2013 6:02:54 AM PDT by Fawn

It's really unbelievable what happened to Stella Liebeck. You just have to watch to see how the media turned on this little old lady who lived in Albuquerque. Obviously a villain, right? And at 5:00, prepare to see what the coffee actually did to her. It's not pretty. Well ... nothing in her situation was.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Food
KEYWORDS: coffee; lawsuit
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Thought this was interesting.....and shows the power of the media.....
1 posted on 10/24/2013 6:02:54 AM PDT by Fawn
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To: Fawn

The injuries were severe but it was her own fault. It is ludicrous to say that there needs to be a warning label stating that hot coffee is hot.


2 posted on 10/24/2013 6:06:50 AM PDT by Sixgun Symphony
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To: Fawn
And at 5:00, prepare to see what the coffee actually did to her.

It doesn't matter what the coffee did to her, as long as it was what was sold, a piping hot cup of coffee. If someone poured a cup of lye suspension and wedged the cup between her legs, and it squished out and ate her skin, I would NOT blame the lye manufacturer.

Sad as it is, sometimes people have to pay for their own misjudgement.
3 posted on 10/24/2013 6:08:54 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Fawn

Hot coffee is hot. Groundbreaking stuff right there.


4 posted on 10/24/2013 6:12:36 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: Fawn

It is too bad she is not competent enough to drink coffee without spilling it. Not my problem


5 posted on 10/24/2013 6:14:08 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Fawn

Those are bad burns. But it’s hot coffee. I don’t want to be forced to drink tepid coffee because 1 in 24 million gets burned. This is as frivolous a law suit as it ever was.

I’m sure that some have choked to death on a Big Mac but that doesn’t mean McDonalds needs to puree them in a blender.


6 posted on 10/24/2013 6:22:16 AM PDT by albie
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Ok, I know this is not a popular stance...but the coffee was more than hot. It was scalding hot. And the franchise had been warned about the heat and the containers. Several times.

The woman was maimed and it was the franchisee’s fault.

No, was the punishment appropriate? I don't know. Was the cases excessive? Not when it is viewed in the proper context.

But again, that is not exciting nor newsworthy. Facts are sometimes detrimental to a good story.

7 posted on 10/24/2013 6:24:23 AM PDT by Vermont Lt ( 1-800-318-2596, Mr President.)
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To: Fawn
I did some burn ward time because a radiator hose blew off and scalded me. I did not sue Prestone.
8 posted on 10/24/2013 6:25:54 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: Sixgun Symphony

Probably the hottest thing she ever had between her legs.


9 posted on 10/24/2013 6:26:37 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Fawn

It also helped her son was a lawyer.


10 posted on 10/24/2013 6:28:45 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Fawn

Upworthy is a left-wing website. I will pass on giving them a click.


11 posted on 10/24/2013 6:31:37 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

touche’


12 posted on 10/24/2013 6:32:06 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Exactamundo.


13 posted on 10/24/2013 6:34:48 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Vermont Lt
I remember reading somewhere that McDonalds (the corporation) knew its coffee was too hot, and determined not to do anything about it, reasoning that it was cheaper to pay the burn claims than fix the machines.

And that's why McDonalds got spanked.

14 posted on 10/24/2013 6:37:23 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Vermont Lt
but the coffee was more than hot. It was scalding hot.

I think it is safe to say that the coffee was not much more than 212 degrees fahrenheit.

According to the National Coffee Association:

Your brewer should maintain a water temperature between 195 - 205 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal extraction.

http://www.ncausa.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=71


That is pretty darn close to the boiling point of water, a k a "scalding".
15 posted on 10/24/2013 6:45:02 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Sixgun Symphony

For those of you who only read the “media’s” remedy for the poor woman’s problems was a “warning label,” it is not. While the woman was compensated in part due to her injuries the real remedy was getting McDonald’s to serve the hot coffee at a more reasonable temperature. Credit also go to McD for addressing the issue and fixing the problem they were causing so that others did not receive 2* & 3* burns.

And yes a lot of you put coffee cups between you legs, on the dash, seat, roof and other places.


16 posted on 10/24/2013 6:45:10 AM PDT by Oystir
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To: Fawn
If I buy a gallon of gasoline and instead of putting it in my lawnmower I spill it and set myself on fire, is it the gas station's fault?
17 posted on 10/24/2013 6:51:22 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Vermont Lt
Ultimately, the punitive damages award was reversed, so she didn't get "millions" either.

I use the case as an example in products liability class. Not that a product can't be dangerous, just that the danger has to be justified. Others have posted the legal cure for McD ... to have coffee temperature be set by some rational means (market preference), and controlled. That is much better than "as hot as we can make it" (to get aroma in the restaurant, which causes food sales to increase), and "50 serious burns is statistically insignificant" (so why should we even consider selling it at a temperature other than "as hot as we can make it").

18 posted on 10/24/2013 6:54:29 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Vermont Lt
Ok, I know this is not a popular stance...but the coffee was more than hot. It was scalding hot.

From Wiki: "Liebeck's attorneys argued that at 180–190 °F (82.2–87.8 °C), McDonald's coffee was defective, claiming it was too hot and more likely to cause serious injury than coffee served at any other establishment. McDonald's had refused several prior opportunities to settle for less than what the jury ultimately awarded.[2] The jury damages included $160,000[3] to cover medical expenses and compensatory damages and $2.7 million in punitive damages. The trial judge reduced the final verdict to $640,000, and the parties settled for a confidential amount before an appeal was decided. "

and

"On February 27, 1992, Stella Liebeck, a 79-year-old woman from Albuquerque, New Mexico, ordered a 49-cent cup of coffee from the drive-through window of a local McDonald's restaurant located at 5001 Gibson Boulevard S.E. Liebeck was in the passenger's seat of her grandson's Ford Probe, which didn't have cup holders, and her grandson Chris parked the car so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to her coffee. Liebeck placed the coffee cup between her knees and pulled the far side of the lid toward her to remove it. In the process, she spilled the entire cup of coffee on her lap.[11] Liebeck was wearing cotton sweatpants; they absorbed the coffee and held it against her skin, scalding her thighs, buttocks, and groin.[12]"

Temperatures over 140 farenheit will scald immediately, yet most coffee is served between 160-195 degrees. My Keurig is at the high end of that scale and brews at 192 degrees, two degrees above the coffee in the McDonald's case. I have yet to burn myself (except, on occasion, my tongue), because I know it's hot.

19 posted on 10/24/2013 6:56:36 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: Fawn

She seems like a ‘nice’ little old lady. And I hate that she injured herself.

But people injure themselves all the time, and it isn’t always someone else’s fault - to the tune of $500,000.

Stella says she “didn’t sue for the money,” but that BULL****.
She was injured. And she thought that pain gave her the right to injure someone else.

The new ‘morality’ of our secular society.


20 posted on 10/24/2013 7:04:08 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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