Skip to comments.Secession is not an option in California
Posted on 10/24/2013 1:40:46 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
It goes without saying that Modoc and Siskiyou counties arent going to secede from California. Their county supervisors have passed resolutions expressing the desire to form a new State of Jefferson, and by some reports, Shasta, Lassen and Redding counties are considering similar measures. But actual secession would require approval from the state Legislature and Congress, and thats not a realistic possibilityfortunately for the secessionists.
Like many of the states remote rural areas, Modoc and Siskiyou have aging populations, high poverty rates and few jobs. They get far more money in state services than they pay in taxes. The government is the largest employer, accounting for more than one in three paychecks. Secession would be a complete disaster for them.
So whats behind the secession movement? Essentially, irresponsible conservative politicians and a handful of activists who find it easier to paint the government as the source of all evil than to address the need for economic development, lack of health care, substance abuse and other issues facing rural Northern California.
Opting out of the state wont solve any of these problems. Its time for the secessionists to drop the theatrics and work with the rest of California for the future of their counties.
If these people take so much state money, then you would be doing yourself a favor, California.
They divide the state in the wrong direction. Cut in half, north south, giving the Central Valley San Diego for a port and the coast can have Los Angeles and San Francisco.
Then we will see just who has the money.
“But actual secession would require approval from the state Legislature and Congress”
Not necessarily. West Virginia set precedence when it seceded from Virginia without Virginia’s approval.
Poor Leftists. They just don’t get it that part of CA could secede and become a tax haven and the jobs would flood in.
Or maybe they do get it and they’re scared.
Essentially, irresponsible conservative politicians and a handful of activists who find it easier to paint the government as the source of all evil
No questioning in this piece of liberal policies or their unintended consequences for other counties. I guess the utopian liberals could never be responsible for any bad outcomes. /sarc
The fear this actually happening and know they can’t continue to fund their utopian ideas without someone working to pay for them. If counties leave the state, who will pay the bills? The liberal jurisdictions would collapse and they know it.
Even when EVERYTHING liberals do turns to crap.
The takers need the makers to fund all their free crap.
“But actual secession would require approval from the state Legislature and Congress, and thats not a realistic possibilityfortunately for the secessionists.”
Seems a bit bass-ackwards, IMO. The essence of secession is that societal neighbors cannot agree on components of governance, and the best course of action is for them to exist apart from one another. A process that requires the party desirous of secession to gain the agreement of the party that does not want the split seems...just wrong.
For my part, 150 States carved out of the current 50 would be a great start. That would go a long way toward returning some semblance of ‘balance’ to this Grand Experiment.
No one can imagine anyone walking away from all those great state services.
Who would want to govern themselves when all those great state services are just sitting there, ripe for the taking.
There is no Redding County. Redding is a city and the county seat of Shasta County.
No wonder they want to secede. Sacramento journalists don't even know they exist.
If at first you don’t secede....
California oppresses liberty.
Please do. Let em go. My sister-in-law’s step-brother lives out there now. I would love to see that little punk “gay boy” float away to the far ends of the earth. He has fooled her for years. I was not fooled when I saw him a few years back. I have shook hands with 6 year old girls that had a better grip than this sissy does.
West Virginia and Congress got the approval of the Virginia state government that the federal government recognized at the time.
Agreed. Their greatest fear is the productive people finding an escape pod and leaving this dying ship.
And prohibit these state legislative conferences where states actually TRY to equalize their laws. It monkey wrenches the entire labs of democracy concept if the state laws are all intentionally made to be identical, plus allowing them to be more dictatorial than the average would be if they weren’t harmonized. If the laws are all the same, no one gets to vote with their feet, and dollars, so there’s no incentive to govern least or with the consent of the governed.
But white flight is...
But which wasn’t the real one, obviously, because one the feds approved of would never have been elected by the voters.
They could join Nevada. Parts of Oregon could too.
You’re right about that...The coast, L.A. and Sicko wouldn’t last five years.
The “real” state government would be one that wasn’t shooting at the rest of the country, at least according to the thinking of the day. After the war, in any event, there wasn’t going to be any going back.
But the “recognized” state government was not the real state government. The real state government was part of the Confederacy.
” Its time for the secessionists to drop the theatrics and work with the rest of California for the future of their counties.”
In other words, bow to the will of the perverts, socialists, abortionists, and homos.
Doesn’t mean it requires that....we didn’t get approval from King George when we all seceeded, now did we???
Secession means never having to say “please” and “may we” again.....
It was the “real” state of the US. What that other thing was, wasn’t really relevant. It wasn’t recognized by the US government.
Agree about the not going back. Not sure whether secession (of the state from the US) had common support or not. I assume it did, and I therefore would tend to view the Confederate government of VA as the legitimate one, but I certainly have no problem with WV for seceding at the state level and staying with the Union if a majority there desired to (as evidently they did).
What can you say? Weird things happen politically when people start shooting at each other.
Incorrect, the people of Virginia were not represented by the “recognized state government”. Therefore the people of the counties who would like to secede from California could form their own state government without the input of the rest of California and demand to be recognized, too.
Assuming they either let you go without a fight or that you win the one that ensues.
Redding is the county seat of Shasta county.
Redding is full of welfare cheats, but it used to be a farm town.
I would think that anyone serious about secession would contemplate that it would be difficult and perhaps result in a fight, of some kind....
The Left in California don’t understand the idea of secession. It means getting AWAY from the problem, not making it bigger.
>> “Essentially, irresponsible conservative politicians and a handful of activists who find it easier to paint the government as the source of all evil than to address the need for economic development, lack of health care, substance abuse and other issues facing rural Northern California.” <<
Back before the enviro-NAZI destroyed the lumber business, they were booming wealthy counties, but now jobs are illegal up there. all their problems are government-caused.
Unfortunately, the people who cause wars almost never have to fight in them.
What the writer doesn’t tell you is, if these counties could get out from under the repressive liberal policies, folks living there could be very prosperous and provide for themselves.
In other words, it means war.
The problem with all this secession thinking is that the emotionalism counts for more than anything practical.
It's not enough to change your status through a constitutional, you have to have all the emotional satisfaction of making a scene.
Well, all the historical examples I can conjure did, so seceders should certainly be prepared for it, but I can also see situations where both of the parties felt separation to be in their respective interests, so I don't think a peaceful separation is impossible. (Not talking about this or any tangible case, just the concept of secession/political separation in general)
... which may yet happen ...
Nor is it an option in any other Soviet Socialist Democrat tyranny.
Exactly, just as here in Illinois. They always tell us in the red rural areas that “Chicago is the economic engine of the state”. We say fine, let’s find out how long your engine can run without any food...
I would normally urge these people to move to a State that can secede at the drop of a hat, but the people who live there don’t want to be “Californicated”.
So how do you work your marriage?
Your wife gets the house unless she agrees to let you in every say? She gets the bank account unless she agrees to let you have a check?
We have judges rule on divorces because if there is no agreement, there can be no default separation that is fair.
We require agreement between states and with congress because with secession there is no default separation that is fair.
Unilateral secession is not an option in the real world. Negotiated secession may be possible, but as much as you may want to go, that is how much you will have to pay for the priviledge.
“For my part, 150 States carved out of the current 50 would be a great start.”
I’m in 100% agreement with you ... that dilutes the power of each US Senator for starters. I also think the number of House members needs to quadruple at a minimum ... I’d prefer more.
The Constitution stated, what, no more than 1 rep for every 30K people in their district? Washington advised 1 Rep for every 40,000 during the Constitutional Convention. 1 Rep for every 700K people is mildly silly if one wants an accurate representation of the general public.
We are rapidly hitting the point where 1 Rep per 1M+ people will be the norm. That is an awful lot of power to give to one person to say nothing of the fact that a substantial number of people are not getting their views accurately represented in the House.
I think the House was frozen at 435 on purpose though ... these megalomaniacs have known what they’re doing for almost a century now. It’s sick.
Oh yes, I agree that is true....peaceful is possible and preferable.
Also, and I’ve been talking about this for a while...with technology...iSeparation or virtual separation is possible.....two different systems....no geographical boundaries needed.....outside the box, but possible...
You are being very narrow and conventional today, in these very expansive and unconventional times. Means war? No, but it means the willingness to get a little bloody if necessary. Emotional? duh...nothing big ever happened without emotion. Making a scene? That's insulting.....