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Secession is not an option in California
Sacramento News and Review ^ | 10-24-13 | Not attributed

Posted on 10/24/2013 1:40:46 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat

It goes without saying that Modoc and Siskiyou counties aren’t going to secede from California. Their county supervisors have passed resolutions expressing the desire to form a new State of Jefferson, and by some reports, Shasta, Lassen and Redding counties are considering similar measures. But actual secession would require approval from the state Legislature and Congress, and that’s not a realistic possibility—fortunately for the secessionists.

Like many of the state’s remote rural areas, Modoc and Siskiyou have aging populations, high poverty rates and few jobs. They get far more money in state services than they pay in taxes. The government is the largest employer, accounting for more than one in three paychecks. Secession would be a complete disaster for them.

So what’s behind the secession “movement”? Essentially, irresponsible conservative politicians and a handful of activists who find it easier to paint the government as the source of all evil than to address the need for economic development, lack of health care, substance abuse and other issues facing rural Northern California.

Opting out of the state won’t solve any of these problems. It’s time for the secessionists to drop the theatrics and work with the rest of California for the future of their counties.


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Have you noticed that the stories and editorials about secession have been in largely leftwing spin? That's just what's out there (a lot of which I can't post on FR).
1 posted on 10/24/2013 1:40:46 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: noprogs; ColdOne; KC_Lion; boxlunch; Jack Black; Nowhere Man; Kevmo; Nea Wood; ...
Secession and Anti-Secession Ping and Prayer list
Stories and commentary both for and against secession.

To be added or taken off this list, please send a FR mail to RKBA Democrat. DISCLOSURE: I'm ANTI-secession, but I'll attempt to administer the ping and prayer list fairly for seceshers, ejectors, and anti-seceshers of Good Will. Search the keyword "secessionlist" to see previous articles and pings.

2 posted on 10/24/2013 1:41:34 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: RKBA Democrat

If these people take so much state money, then you would be doing yourself a favor, California.


3 posted on 10/24/2013 1:42:48 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: RKBA Democrat

They divide the state in the wrong direction. Cut in half, north south, giving the Central Valley San Diego for a port and the coast can have Los Angeles and San Francisco.

Then we will see just who has the money.


4 posted on 10/24/2013 1:43:37 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I do not doubt that our climate changes. I only doubt that anything man does has any effect.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

“But actual secession would require approval from the state Legislature and Congress”

Not necessarily. West Virginia set precedence when it seceded from Virginia without Virginia’s approval.


5 posted on 10/24/2013 1:44:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Poor Leftists. They just don’t get it that part of CA could secede and become a tax haven and the jobs would flood in.

Or maybe they do get it and they’re scared.


6 posted on 10/24/2013 1:44:36 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Essentially, irresponsible conservative politicians and a handful of activists who find it easier to paint the government as the source of all evil

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No questioning in this piece of liberal policies or their unintended consequences for other counties. I guess the utopian liberals could never be responsible for any bad outcomes. /sarc


7 posted on 10/24/2013 1:45:43 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Bryanw92

The fear this actually happening and know they can’t continue to fund their utopian ideas without someone working to pay for them. If counties leave the state, who will pay the bills? The liberal jurisdictions would collapse and they know it.


8 posted on 10/24/2013 1:47:23 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

Even when EVERYTHING liberals do turns to crap.


9 posted on 10/24/2013 1:48:12 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The takers need the makers to fund all their free crap.


10 posted on 10/24/2013 1:49:34 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: RKBA Democrat

“But actual secession would require approval from the state Legislature and Congress, and that’s not a realistic possibility—fortunately for the secessionists.”

Seems a bit bass-ackwards, IMO. The essence of secession is that societal neighbors cannot agree on components of governance, and the best course of action is for them to exist apart from one another. A process that requires the party desirous of secession to gain the agreement of the party that does not want the split seems...just wrong.

For my part, 150 States carved out of the current 50 would be a great start. That would go a long way toward returning some semblance of ‘balance’ to this Grand Experiment.


11 posted on 10/24/2013 1:51:06 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: RKBA Democrat
They get far more money in state services than they pay in taxes.

No one can imagine anyone walking away from all those great state services.

Who would want to govern themselves when all those great state services are just sitting there, ripe for the taking.

12 posted on 10/24/2013 1:51:17 PM PDT by marron
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To: RKBA Democrat
Shasta, Lassen and Redding counties...

There is no Redding County. Redding is a city and the county seat of Shasta County.

No wonder they want to secede. Sacramento journalists don't even know they exist.

13 posted on 10/24/2013 1:51:43 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

If at first you don’t secede....


14 posted on 10/24/2013 1:52:48 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

California oppresses liberty.


15 posted on 10/24/2013 1:52:54 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: RKBA Democrat

Please do. Let em go. My sister-in-law’s step-brother lives out there now. I would love to see that little punk “gay boy” float away to the far ends of the earth. He has fooled her for years. I was not fooled when I saw him a few years back. I have shook hands with 6 year old girls that had a better grip than this sissy does.


16 posted on 10/24/2013 1:53:43 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

West Virginia and Congress got the approval of the Virginia state government that the federal government recognized at the time.


17 posted on 10/24/2013 1:53:57 PM PDT by x
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To: Starboard
If Your State is a Mess.
18 posted on 10/24/2013 1:54:09 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Starboard

Agreed. Their greatest fear is the productive people finding an escape pod and leaving this dying ship.


19 posted on 10/24/2013 1:54:38 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: PubliusMM

And prohibit these state legislative conferences where states actually TRY to equalize their laws. It monkey wrenches the entire labs of democracy concept if the state laws are all intentionally made to be identical, plus allowing them to be more dictatorial than the average would be if they weren’t harmonized. If the laws are all the same, no one gets to vote with their feet, and dollars, so there’s no incentive to govern least or with the consent of the governed.


20 posted on 10/24/2013 1:56:31 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

But white flight is...


21 posted on 10/24/2013 1:57:43 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: x

But which wasn’t the real one, obviously, because one the feds approved of would never have been elected by the voters.


22 posted on 10/24/2013 1:58:34 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

They could join Nevada. Parts of Oregon could too.


23 posted on 10/24/2013 1:59:45 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: CIB-173RDABN

You’re right about that...The coast, L.A. and Sicko wouldn’t last five years.


24 posted on 10/24/2013 2:01:14 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Still Thinking

The “real” state government would be one that wasn’t shooting at the rest of the country, at least according to the thinking of the day. After the war, in any event, there wasn’t going to be any going back.


25 posted on 10/24/2013 2:01:57 PM PDT by x
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To: x

But the “recognized” state government was not the real state government. The real state government was part of the Confederacy.


26 posted on 10/24/2013 2:01:59 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

” It’s time for the secessionists to drop the theatrics and work with the rest of California for the future of their counties.”

In other words, bow to the will of the perverts, socialists, abortionists, and homos.


27 posted on 10/24/2013 2:03:11 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: x

Doesn’t mean it requires that....we didn’t get approval from King George when we all seceeded, now did we???

Secession means never having to say “please” and “may we” again.....


28 posted on 10/24/2013 2:03:42 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It was the “real” state of the US. What that other thing was, wasn’t really relevant. It wasn’t recognized by the US government.


29 posted on 10/24/2013 2:04:20 PM PDT by x
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To: x

Agree about the not going back. Not sure whether secession (of the state from the US) had common support or not. I assume it did, and I therefore would tend to view the Confederate government of VA as the legitimate one, but I certainly have no problem with WV for seceding at the state level and staying with the Union if a majority there desired to (as evidently they did).


30 posted on 10/24/2013 2:05:52 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

What can you say? Weird things happen politically when people start shooting at each other.


31 posted on 10/24/2013 2:06:46 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: x

Incorrect, the people of Virginia were not represented by the “recognized state government”. Therefore the people of the counties who would like to secede from California could form their own state government without the input of the rest of California and demand to be recognized, too.


32 posted on 10/24/2013 2:07:05 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Assuming they either let you go without a fight or that you win the one that ensues.


33 posted on 10/24/2013 2:07:06 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Redding is the county seat of Shasta county.

Redding is full of welfare cheats, but it used to be a farm town.


34 posted on 10/24/2013 2:07:22 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Still Thinking

I would think that anyone serious about secession would contemplate that it would be difficult and perhaps result in a fight, of some kind....


35 posted on 10/24/2013 2:08:23 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: RKBA Democrat

The Left in California don’t understand the idea of secession. It means getting AWAY from the problem, not making it bigger.


36 posted on 10/24/2013 2:09:34 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: RKBA Democrat

>> “Essentially, irresponsible conservative politicians and a handful of activists who find it easier to paint the government as the source of all evil than to address the need for economic development, lack of health care, substance abuse and other issues facing rural Northern California.” <<

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Back before the enviro-NAZI destroyed the lumber business, they were booming wealthy counties, but now jobs are illegal up there. all their problems are government-caused.


37 posted on 10/24/2013 2:11:30 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Unfortunately, the people who cause wars almost never have to fight in them.


38 posted on 10/24/2013 2:12:34 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

What the writer doesn’t tell you is, if these counties could get out from under the repressive liberal policies, folks living there could be very prosperous and provide for themselves.


39 posted on 10/24/2013 2:20:47 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; rockrr
Secession means never having to say “please” and “may we” again.....

In other words, it means war.

The problem with all this secession thinking is that the emotionalism counts for more than anything practical.

It's not enough to change your status through a constitutional, you have to have all the emotional satisfaction of making a scene.

40 posted on 10/24/2013 2:22:13 PM PDT by x
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I would think that anyone serious about secession would contemplate that it would be difficult and perhaps result in a fight, of some kind....

Well, all the historical examples I can conjure did, so seceders should certainly be prepared for it, but I can also see situations where both of the parties felt separation to be in their respective interests, so I don't think a peaceful separation is impossible. (Not talking about this or any tangible case, just the concept of secession/political separation in general)

41 posted on 10/24/2013 2:22:37 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Only if the US were at war with California ...

... which may yet happen ...

42 posted on 10/24/2013 2:23:00 PM PDT by x
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To: RKBA Democrat
Secession is not an option in California

Nor is it an option in any other Soviet Socialist Democrat tyranny.

43 posted on 10/24/2013 2:40:28 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Exactly, just as here in Illinois. They always tell us in the red rural areas that “Chicago is the economic engine of the state”. We say fine, let’s find out how long your engine can run without any food...


44 posted on 10/24/2013 2:41:31 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: RKBA Democrat

I would normally urge these people to move to a State that can secede at the drop of a hat, but the people who live there don’t want to be “Californicated”.


45 posted on 10/24/2013 3:14:46 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: PubliusMM

So how do you work your marriage?

Your wife gets the house unless she agrees to let you in every say? She gets the bank account unless she agrees to let you have a check?

We have judges rule on divorces because if there is no agreement, there can be no default separation that is fair.

We require agreement between states and with congress because with secession there is no default separation that is fair.


46 posted on 10/24/2013 3:17:18 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Unilateral secession is not an option in the real world. Negotiated secession may be possible, but as much as you may want to go, that is how much you will have to pay for the priviledge.


47 posted on 10/24/2013 3:18:58 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: PubliusMM

“For my part, 150 States carved out of the current 50 would be a great start.”

I’m in 100% agreement with you ... that dilutes the power of each US Senator for starters. I also think the number of House members needs to quadruple at a minimum ... I’d prefer more.

The Constitution stated, what, no more than 1 rep for every 30K people in their district? Washington advised 1 Rep for every 40,000 during the Constitutional Convention. 1 Rep for every 700K people is mildly silly if one wants an accurate representation of the general public.

We are rapidly hitting the point where 1 Rep per 1M+ people will be the norm. That is an awful lot of power to give to one person to say nothing of the fact that a substantial number of people are not getting their views accurately represented in the House.

I think the House was frozen at 435 on purpose though ... these megalomaniacs have known what they’re doing for almost a century now. It’s sick.


48 posted on 10/24/2013 3:40:30 PM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: Still Thinking

Oh yes, I agree that is true....peaceful is possible and preferable.

Also, and I’ve been talking about this for a while...with technology...iSeparation or virtual separation is possible.....two different systems....no geographical boundaries needed.....outside the box, but possible...


49 posted on 10/24/2013 3:55:25 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: x
In other words, it means war. The problem with all this secession thinking is that the emotionalism counts for more than anything practical. It's not enough to change your status through a constitutional, you have to have all the emotional satisfaction of making a scene.

You are being very narrow and conventional today, in these very expansive and unconventional times. Means war? No, but it means the willingness to get a little bloody if necessary. Emotional? duh...nothing big ever happened without emotion. Making a scene? That's insulting.....

50 posted on 10/24/2013 3:57:16 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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