Skip to comments.Secession is not an option in California
Posted on 10/24/2013 1:40:46 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
It goes without saying that Modoc and Siskiyou counties arent going to secede from California. Their county supervisors have passed resolutions expressing the desire to form a new State of Jefferson, and by some reports, Shasta, Lassen and Redding counties are considering similar measures. But actual secession would require approval from the state Legislature and Congress, and thats not a realistic possibilityfortunately for the secessionists.
Like many of the states remote rural areas, Modoc and Siskiyou have aging populations, high poverty rates and few jobs. They get far more money in state services than they pay in taxes. The government is the largest employer, accounting for more than one in three paychecks. Secession would be a complete disaster for them.
So whats behind the secession movement? Essentially, irresponsible conservative politicians and a handful of activists who find it easier to paint the government as the source of all evil than to address the need for economic development, lack of health care, substance abuse and other issues facing rural Northern California.
Opting out of the state wont solve any of these problems. Its time for the secessionists to drop the theatrics and work with the rest of California for the future of their counties.
Well, all the historical examples I can conjure did, so seceders should certainly be prepared for it, but I can also see situations where both of the parties felt separation to be in their respective interests, so I don't think a peaceful separation is impossible. (Not talking about this or any tangible case, just the concept of secession/political separation in general)
... which may yet happen ...
Nor is it an option in any other Soviet Socialist Democrat tyranny.
Exactly, just as here in Illinois. They always tell us in the red rural areas that “Chicago is the economic engine of the state”. We say fine, let’s find out how long your engine can run without any food...
I would normally urge these people to move to a State that can secede at the drop of a hat, but the people who live there don’t want to be “Californicated”.
So how do you work your marriage?
Your wife gets the house unless she agrees to let you in every say? She gets the bank account unless she agrees to let you have a check?
We have judges rule on divorces because if there is no agreement, there can be no default separation that is fair.
We require agreement between states and with congress because with secession there is no default separation that is fair.
Unilateral secession is not an option in the real world. Negotiated secession may be possible, but as much as you may want to go, that is how much you will have to pay for the priviledge.
“For my part, 150 States carved out of the current 50 would be a great start.”
I’m in 100% agreement with you ... that dilutes the power of each US Senator for starters. I also think the number of House members needs to quadruple at a minimum ... I’d prefer more.
The Constitution stated, what, no more than 1 rep for every 30K people in their district? Washington advised 1 Rep for every 40,000 during the Constitutional Convention. 1 Rep for every 700K people is mildly silly if one wants an accurate representation of the general public.
We are rapidly hitting the point where 1 Rep per 1M+ people will be the norm. That is an awful lot of power to give to one person to say nothing of the fact that a substantial number of people are not getting their views accurately represented in the House.
I think the House was frozen at 435 on purpose though ... these megalomaniacs have known what they’re doing for almost a century now. It’s sick.
Oh yes, I agree that is true....peaceful is possible and preferable.
Also, and I’ve been talking about this for a while...with technology...iSeparation or virtual separation is possible.....two different systems....no geographical boundaries needed.....outside the box, but possible...
You are being very narrow and conventional today, in these very expansive and unconventional times. Means war? No, but it means the willingness to get a little bloody if necessary. Emotional? duh...nothing big ever happened without emotion. Making a scene? That's insulting.....
But we didn’t secede from Great Britain - the colonials were honest enough to admit that we were openly rebelling against their rule.
That’s a distinction without a difference - and the analogy is applicable, even if not perfect on every technicality.
Virtual secession — fascinating idea!