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Downfall of Ancient Greece Caused by 300-Year Drought
The Weather Channel ^ | 10-22-2013 | Tia Ghose

Posted on 10/25/2013 4:43:00 AM PDT by Renfield

A 300-year drought may have caused the demise of several Mediterranean cultures, including ancient Greece, new research suggests.

A sharp drop in rainfall may have led to the collapse of several eastern Mediterranean civilizations, including ancient Greece, around 3,200 years ago. The resulting famine and conflict may help explain why the entire Hittite culture, chariot-riding people who ruled most of the region of Anatolia, vanished from the planet, according to a study published in August in the journal PLOS ONE. Lost golden period

Even during the heyday of Classical Greek civilization, there were hints of an earlier culture that was lost. Homer's "Iliad," written in the eighth century B.C. about a legendary war between Sparta and Troy, paints a picture of sophisticated Greek city-states, which archaeological evidence suggests once existed. [The 7 Most Mysterious Archaeological Discoveries]

"The classical Greek folks knew from the very beginning that they were coming out of a dark age," said Brandon Lee Drake, an archaeologist at the University of New Mexico, who was not involved in the study.

The ancient Hittite empire of Anatolia began a precipitous decline around 3,300 B.C. Around the same time, the Egyptian empire was invaded by marauding sea bandits, called the Sea People, and the ancient Mycenaean culture of Greece collapsed. Over the next 400 years, ancient cities were burned to the ground and were never rebuilt, Drake said.....

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TOPICS: Agriculture; History; Science
KEYWORDS: archaeology; catastrophe; catastrophism; drought; godsgravesglyphs; greece; history; letshavejerusalem
Note the mistake in the date in the last paragraph, which should be around 1180BC, not 3300BC.
1 posted on 10/25/2013 4:43:00 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 10/25/2013 4:43:24 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

You’re saying they experienced the horrors of anthropogenic global warming even back then??!? You mean Al Gore was born 3,180 years too late?


3 posted on 10/25/2013 4:47:49 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Renfield

Fuzzy history meets fuzzy math.


4 posted on 10/25/2013 4:58:35 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: Renfield
the entire Hittite culture, chariot-riding people who ruled most of the region of Anatolia, vanished from the planet

Those darned CO2-belching chariots did them in, I tell ya.

Heed thee this warning!

5 posted on 10/25/2013 5:20:50 AM PDT by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: Renfield

The Sea People: Phoenecians, or ‘Philistines’?

Another theory is that a Nubian named ‘Barackles’ tried to integrate Sythians into the Pelopennes while installing Hippocrates as Dictator, taking the greatest part of Mycenaens’ wages for healthcare.
It was a tragedy in three parts.


6 posted on 10/25/2013 5:23:55 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Renfield

Climate change even way back then!! What a shame there was no algor to warn them :(


7 posted on 10/25/2013 6:05:36 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: Renfield

Sodom and Gomorah would have been destroyed in this time period right along with these other immoral civilizations. Sounds like God was “chrono-forming” the world to shape history and peoples for the coming Messiah.


8 posted on 10/25/2013 7:12:55 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Moltke

Obviously it wasn’t CO2. The Yak teams pulling the chariots were belching out too much methane in their flatulence. They tried natural cork to curb the hockey stick effect, but that clearly didn’t work.

The NappyOne


9 posted on 10/25/2013 7:34:42 AM PDT by NappyOne
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To: Renfield

The Trojan War was not a war between Sparta and Troy, even if Helen was the wife of King Menelaus of Sparta. The traditional Greek version of the war, for what it’s worth, has a coalition of warriors from all over Greece taking part, led by Agamemnon, king of Mycenae and brother of Menelaus. The most memorable Greek heroes were not Spartans—men such as Achilles, Odysseus, Nestor, Ajax, Diomedes.


10 posted on 10/25/2013 8:46:53 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: tumblindice

There are two lists of “Sea Peoples” in Egyptian records. One of the names is “Peleset” which is agreed to be the Phlistines (who were immigrants to the land of Canaan, not originally inhabitants of the region later known as Philistia).


11 posted on 10/25/2013 8:49:01 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
We don't even know that those heroes were "Greek". Homer calls them the Achaeans, meaning something like "allies".

There is abundant evidence to indicate that Troy, and the Trojan war, didn't happen in the Mediterranean at all, but in northern Europe, perhaps as a struggle of early Celts; and that Homer was merely reciting his version of an older conflict, the news of which has passed widely throughout ancient Europe. I suggest a reading of the book Where Troy Once Stood, by Iman Jacob Wilkens, for a good exposition of an alternate interpretation of the particulars of that conflict.

12 posted on 10/25/2013 10:00:29 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield
Homer has three terms for the Greeks--Achaeans, Argives, and Danaans. The term Hellene became widespread much later. Our word Greek comes from the Roman label for them, Graeci. The Hittite archives have references to "Ahhijawa" who are thought to be "Achaeans."

Whether there really was a Trojan War is disputed. Maybe something similar happened in Celtic Europe (not unlikely given they were all a bunch of bloodthristy Indo-European tribes), but the Greeks would have known nothing of anything in northern Europe. It's possible there was an older story about a siege that happened to be applied to the ruins at Troy after Greeks settled in the area.

13 posted on 10/25/2013 12:52:49 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...

Thanks Renfield. One of *those* topics.


14 posted on 10/26/2013 6:32:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

Thanks Renfield.

15 posted on 10/26/2013 6:33:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: mdmathis6
"Sodom and Gomorah would have been destroyed in this time period right along with these other immoral civilizations. Sounds like God was “chrono-forming” the world to shape history and peoples for the coming Messiah."

I think Sodom And Gomorrah were destroyed years earlier with this incident:

Disaster That Struck The Ancients

16 posted on 10/26/2013 6:55:32 AM PDT by blam
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To: Renfield

Yes. That was intended to read “3300 years ago”, not “3300BC”. The whole article is about the period from about 1500BC through 800BC.


17 posted on 10/26/2013 7:07:59 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: SunkenCiv

Huh. I thought it was the Romans kicking the Greeks in the teeth and taking all their stuff that did them in?


18 posted on 10/26/2013 10:02:33 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Renfield

Looks like another dark age is coming to the whole planet


19 posted on 10/26/2013 10:15:57 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: tumblindice

Clever! Are you sure about the Pelopennes? I heard they were they were the Pelosinnines... They were said to have to write the cunniform in order to know what was in it.


20 posted on 10/26/2013 3:31:35 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: blam

The article mentioned a specific time period but it seemed somewhat flexible in its descriptions of societies some centuries before and after that period. Abraham was told that his descendants would spend 400 years in Egypt some 2 centuries before it Happened.(Jacob actually took the Hebrews into Egypt. Abraham witnessed the destruction of S and G a year before his son Isaac was born, approx. at 100 years old. Israel came into its land approximately 1400 bc
and spent 40 years in the winderness then approximately 50 years subduing their new land and another 400 years as a theocratic republic. Another 400 years of Kings Starting about 1000 bc. Then the 70 years of captivity followed by 400 “silent years” where there was no open prophecy. Finally, the Greeks, Antiochus and the Ptolemies, then Rome.

It’s not that I disagree with the article, I just think that the period of disasters needs it’s start date pushed back to about 1700 to 1900 BC(if you count the world wide famine that Genesis records as occurring when Joseph co ruled Egypt with Pharoah). (Sand G would have been destroyed approx. 1900 to 2050 bc). It may very well have been this famine that really cemented Egypt as the world and agricultural power of it’s day. Joseph was about 30 years old when he began to rule and he died at 110 years old...some 70 to 80 years into Israel’s prophesied sojourn in Egypt. It might be claimed that Israel’s 400 years in Egypt started with Joseph’s death since Moses was 80 years old when he led Israel out of Egypt and Israel had technically been in Egypt for 483 years.(80 years with Joseph, then 400 years with a series of Pharoahs who eventually forgot about Joseph and his salvation of Egypt).


21 posted on 10/27/2013 8:21:00 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Renfield

I thought that seemed awfully early for the Myceneans/Minoans.


22 posted on 11/03/2013 11:13:22 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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Here's a few choice items from Robert Compton's Guide [i.e., "after Compton"]
Who/What When (B.C.) Peoples of the Sea
Sebennytic Dynasty
(20th = 28th, 29th, 30th)
404-340 p195
Xenophon, the Ten Thousand 401-400 p200
Nepherites est native rule 399-393 p200
Spartan King Agesilaus
successful in Asia Minor
396-395 p39
Corinthian War 395-387 p40
Athenian Iphicrates
introduces warfare innovations
391 p41
King Evagoras of Cyprus
rebels against Artaxerxes II
390 p40
Evagoras defeated 381 p41
Ramses III 379-361 p200
Ramses III revolts against Persia 377-376 p45
Athenian Chabrias destroys Spartan fleet 376 p42
Persia and Greece allied
against Ramses III
374-373 p41
Ramses III battles
Persian satrap Pharnabazus and Greek Iphicrates
374-373 p47
Agesilaus leaves for Egypt 361 p200
Tachos (Ramses IV) 361-355 p81
Nectanebo II (Ramses VI) 355-339 p201
Demosthenes against Philip 351 p201
31st dyn
second Persian domination of Egypt
343-333 p162
Aristotle in Macedonia 343-332 p201
Nectanebo II flees Egypt 339 p160
Alexander succeeds Philip 336 p201
Alexander the Great in Egypt 332 p163
Macedonian dynasty 332-308 p195
Death of Alexander 323 p177
Ptolemy, son of Lagus 323-308 p201
Ptolemy I (Soter) 308-285 p201

23 posted on 11/05/2013 6:58:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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