Skip to comments.Dems New Mantra: "It's OK to lie. You need coverage that gives you adequate healthcare."
Posted on 10/29/2013 2:20:57 PM PDT by MrChips
I am so tired of the new Democrat argument that you can keep your insurance coverage "Unless you have coverage that's insufficient to accomplish the objectives of giving you adequate, quality healthcare." (Rep. Hoyer) Who the hell are they to decide what that coverage should be? I do not need to pay for Sandra Fluke's contraceptives! I do not need to pay for maternity care! I do not need to pay for pregnancy testing, substance abuse, or pediatric care. I have no children. Pre-existing conditions? There are other, simpler ways to tackle that. Psychiatric care? Well, maybe. Let me think about it. Preventative medicine? I am already in a health management program that I pay for! But, the worst thing is the arrogance. Big Brother knows what's good for you. You, the citizen, are too stupid to figure it out for yourself. The insurance companies are evil, blah blah blah. I'm sick of it!
It’s simple (to tell people): Do you like Obamacare? (No, is the most likely answer), Then: VOTE REPUBLICAN (R E P E A L !),
If you like Government Control, increased prices, and loss of choice: Vote DEMOCRAT!
It’s that SIMPLE!
You’d be hard pressed to find a leftist that didn’t think it was OK to lie to advance their “cause”.
Psychiatric services will result in a one for one. One visit to the psychiatrist and your $15 copay = one loss of your right to own a gun. If you make a fuss, you’ll lose your kids too.
Go with the flow, Chips. Let us decide what you will like. Give up all hope of self determination, and you will see how happy you can be!
This is so stupid I can’t understand why even the HHS did it...except for one reason. Money.
Suppose a 60 year-old female today has insurance that she likes and pays $350 a month for. Forcing that policy to be cancelled will require her to buy Obamacare at, let’s say $900 per month under the guise of “adequate coverage”. Such as pregnancy....
The only answer I come back to is they’re forcing people out of their present insurance in order to get them to pay more - MUCH more - for Obamacare.
If one of “us” had been given the ability to make Obama into a liar, what better way could we have chosen?
I am clearly beginning to see who the real winners are in this debacle. The insurance companies really made Obama look like the inexperienced moron he is. They are laughing all the way to the bank.
The frog just realized that the water is boiling!
Massah know best. Stay in your gubmint-made chains.
Unfortunately, given the failure of the GOP to defund obamacare which they certainly could have done, I do not think there is any point in voting republican if you want to see the end of obamacare. The GOP is done.
>>The only answer I come back to is theyre forcing people out of their present insurance in order to get them to pay more - MUCH more - for Obamacare.
The goal—the ONLY goal—is Single Payer. Americans like to think they’re in charge. Almost half even like to pay their own way through life.
So, Single Payer is just not feasible in the US.
UNLESS, you create a bloated, overpriced insurance system that we can blame on Big Insurance. Obama is even willing to look stupid to make this happen. After all, once we are communists, his people can rewrite history, purge the internet, and re-educate anyone who fails to get with the program!
So, in the end, ObamaCare fails, but everyone has been kicked off their old plan by then. It becomes a giant entitlement program and the people who work for a living will even complain, “why do I have to pay for this?”
Then, the Congress will step up and vote to fix it, by taking those evil insurance companies out of the loop and we’ll just...umm...let government handle it all.
He’s not incompetent!! He’s a f___g COMMUNIST! And he’s winning.
A way to put the whole thing in perspective......tell them. For less than half of what the government spent on a non-functioning website they could have sent all 330 million of us a check for $1 million. I think that’s enough to cover healthcare for all for a very long time.
The holy grail of these folks is the "Freedom of Choice" but, G-D forbid they give us the Freedom to choose...
* What State we buy our healthcare policy out of.
* What kind of policy I want, High deductible, HSA, etc etc
* What bells and Whistles I want in it, Vision, Dental, Birth etc. etc.
* To choose to pay for Birth Control or Abortions...
Oh we have freedom how and when they define it, and if we don't like it, it is basically SHUT UP AND TAKE IT.
Instead we have to buy basically one size fits all with the only changes being the deductible. I guess Statism only comes in a few shades of gray....
The liberal intellectual snob types, in particular, will defend the fact that “normal people” are not smart enough to make decisions, such as what kind of insurance to buy, on their own.
But the insurance companies have some new requirements about having to pay a certain percent of their revenues out in claims or “heatlh care”, so I think they are under tight reins about the ability to make any profits under the new deal.
Obamacare also dictates to the insurance companies that 85% of premiums be spent on health care. So they have 15% for overhead that they may or may not be able to squeeze any profit from.
The whole thing is designed to fail while bankrupting the health insurance industry.
So we can be “saved” through the institution of a single payer system (everyone on medicaid/medicare). One sixth of the economy socialized and government pwned.
Let's not all be that stupid.
Anything to get that number down to 85% of premiums collected.
Death Panelist (lays down file and stamps heart by-pass application with a big “DENIED!”): Freeper, eh? Good-bye, Mr. Chips.
WRONG, the fight ISN’T OVER don’t be a defeatist. Just because ~some~ Republicans won’t fight doesn’t mean ALL won’t, please NO MORE PESSIMISM on FreeRepublic!
Hey, if it's good enough for Islam, it's good enough for the RATs.
That isn’t a “new” mantra...it has been there all along. It is just now they are blatant about doing it. Everything a DIM/LIB says should be ignored and/or ridiculed. They are completely without integrity. That goes for all LIBs/DIMs...not just the worthless scum politicians.
Anyone with a calculator and a shred of honesty could have told us that you cannot add 15, 20, 30 million (pick a dishonest democrat number) on to taxpayer teats and expect premiums to go down.
There are not enough young people who can fill the tax coffers at a rate faster than all the older people can drain it out.
The new meme is that the cancelled policies were not “good enough”
and “Drat that Obama for giving me more coverage”
They know they lie, they really do not care
Libtards love paternalism. That, plus the ends justify the means, might makes right,and the tribal premise (its for the good of society), and the greatest happiness for the greatest number, can justify anything they want to do, no matter how many natural rights are violated.
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At the risk of too-much-information, let’s just say I know what it feels like to recover from a vasectomy. Why do I and my post-menopausal wife need coverage that includes birth control and maternity care?
Isn’t this a disparate impact situation?
It’s up to voters to decide if they are aith being lied to by their government. If the voters don’t punish the dems for their lies than we are all truly screwed.
You must be racist and anti-women.
No, they won’t go up. It will be another reason to argue for single-payer . . . their long-term goal.
I’ll use a fake name.
Restated, what they are really saying is that Democrats are forced to lie by virtue of having to run against others in elections to keep their jobs.
If only Republicans didn't oppose them in elections, Democrat candidates wouldn't have to openly lie about their intentions and their records in response to others who want their jobs, and who offer different opinions, experiences, and skills.
That is an incredible thought! Thank you. I will share that with everyone I know!
Please Sir, may I have some more SOMA?
The site cost $660 trillion? Now I'm even more upset!
Well, yeah, except for solipsistic libs, truth is only what they think it is, so the term “lie” is not something they understand.
Ok, so the idea, that for half the cost of the website we could have sent $1 million to every American, is so mind-blowing that I have been trying to find the fatal flaw in out logic. I think I found it. We’re $17 Trillion in Debt, so it’s imaginary money anyway. Still, I like your way of going into debt more than their way. :-)
I’m sorry, dear. We dispense Soma according to our needs, not yours. You will be eligible for a temporary supply sometime in the spring. The exact date your supply will be shipped is subject to the terms expressed on pg 11530 of the ACA. As you should be aware by now, that date is calculated based on “x”, “x” being how well we think you vote this November.
Thank You for shopping at ObamaRx.
Oh please, please, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaase!!! I need my Soma!!!!!!!!!1 WWWWWWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
If you vote correctly...
Forget single payer, I think this is what they really want. They want to dangle your pills in front of your eyes while they make um, suggestions.
I got my divorce letter from BCBS, by the way. I had re-enrolled in Sept, on the off chance that I’d get a policy that was Obama friendly. No such luck, the policy I bought has been deemed (not by me, but by my superiors in gubmint) to be not good enough for me.
My options are to upgrade to their comparable plan that remains effective through next year and THEN gets cancelled, or suck it up and marry an employer that offers health care, or I guess give up the fight and go on welfare.
I am resigned to sitting back and laughing at all of it. Hopefully one of the above three options will allow me the time I’d like to accomplish this.
Did they say anything about your new costs?
The letter is underneath a pile of crap on the kitchen table, so I’m going by memory, but it was an overall happy correspondence. They only want a few dollars more a month.
With the exception of the kids’ well visits, I’ve never filed a claim with BCBS. I’ve had a cash only guy we used for things like pink eye, allergies. I used a midwife and gave birth in the dining room ($2000 cash up front.) From what I’ve read about others, I think that’s partly why I got so lucky.
I’ve always been paranoid about “The Man” knowing my business. I don’t know why, or where it came from back then. I clearly remember after the first time I was robbed at a pharmacy at knifepoint in the middle of the night, I got an rx for klonopin because I was having these little panic attacks for a while afterwards. Something would fall over behind me, and I’d jump. And for whatever reason, even though I could have used the company insurance to pay for them, I paid cash. I didn’t want it “on my record.” I’m imagining these insurance companies being forced to examine every potential customer “well, they took so and so back in ‘08, they are a risk, put them in this category”.
I still believe this whole Obamacare experiment will become an unfixable failure. We’ll see all new options next year when the adults realize what a mess they have created.
I know what you mean about “the man.” I think most people on the Right have agreed that the healthcare system has problems. We just don’t like the Draconian/Orwellian fix that the Left is imposing upon us. There are simpler solutions.
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