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Dems New Mantra: "It's OK to lie. You need coverage that gives you adequate healthcare."
October 29, 2013 | MrChips

Posted on 10/29/2013 2:20:57 PM PDT by MrChips

I am so tired of the new Democrat argument that you can keep your insurance coverage "Unless you have coverage that's insufficient to accomplish the objectives of giving you adequate, quality healthcare." (Rep. Hoyer) Who the hell are they to decide what that coverage should be? I do not need to pay for Sandra Fluke's contraceptives! I do not need to pay for maternity care! I do not need to pay for pregnancy testing, substance abuse, or pediatric care. I have no children. Pre-existing conditions? There are other, simpler ways to tackle that. Psychiatric care? Well, maybe. Let me think about it. Preventative medicine? I am already in a health management program that I pay for! But, the worst thing is the arrogance. Big Brother knows what's good for you. You, the citizen, are too stupid to figure it out for yourself. The insurance companies are evil, blah blah blah. I'm sick of it!


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: obamacare

1 posted on 10/29/2013 2:20:57 PM PDT by MrChips
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To: MrChips

It’s simple (to tell people): Do you like Obamacare? (No, is the most likely answer), Then: VOTE REPUBLICAN (R E P E A L !),

If you like Government Control, increased prices, and loss of choice: Vote DEMOCRAT!

It’s that SIMPLE!


2 posted on 10/29/2013 2:25:30 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: MrChips

You’d be hard pressed to find a leftist that didn’t think it was OK to lie to advance their “cause”.


3 posted on 10/29/2013 2:27:39 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrChips

Psychiatric services will result in a one for one. One visit to the psychiatrist and your $15 copay = one loss of your right to own a gun. If you make a fuss, you’ll lose your kids too.


4 posted on 10/29/2013 2:29:32 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: MrChips

Go with the flow, Chips. Let us decide what you will like. Give up all hope of self determination, and you will see how happy you can be!


5 posted on 10/29/2013 2:30:19 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: MrChips

This is so stupid I can’t understand why even the HHS did it...except for one reason. Money.

Suppose a 60 year-old female today has insurance that she likes and pays $350 a month for. Forcing that policy to be cancelled will require her to buy Obamacare at, let’s say $900 per month under the guise of “adequate coverage”. Such as pregnancy....

The only answer I come back to is they’re forcing people out of their present insurance in order to get them to pay more - MUCH more - for Obamacare.

If one of “us” had been given the ability to make Obama into a liar, what better way could we have chosen?


6 posted on 10/29/2013 2:30:33 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: MrChips

I am clearly beginning to see who the real winners are in this debacle. The insurance companies really made Obama look like the inexperienced moron he is. They are laughing all the way to the bank.


7 posted on 10/29/2013 2:31:24 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: MrChips

The frog just realized that the water is boiling!


8 posted on 10/29/2013 2:35:19 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (God help the Republic but will he?)
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To: MrChips

Massah know best. Stay in your gubmint-made chains.


9 posted on 10/29/2013 2:36:51 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JSDude1

Unfortunately, given the failure of the GOP to defund obamacare which they certainly could have done, I do not think there is any point in voting republican if you want to see the end of obamacare. The GOP is done.


10 posted on 10/29/2013 2:37:04 PM PDT by erkelly (Never underestimate the stupidity of the stupid party!)
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To: bigbob; blackdog

>>The only answer I come back to is they’re forcing people out of their present insurance in order to get them to pay more - MUCH more - for Obamacare.

The goal—the ONLY goal—is Single Payer. Americans like to think they’re in charge. Almost half even like to pay their own way through life.

So, Single Payer is just not feasible in the US.

UNLESS, you create a bloated, overpriced insurance system that we can blame on Big Insurance. Obama is even willing to look stupid to make this happen. After all, once we are communists, his people can rewrite history, purge the internet, and re-educate anyone who fails to get with the program!

So, in the end, ObamaCare fails, but everyone has been kicked off their old plan by then. It becomes a giant entitlement program and the people who work for a living will even complain, “why do I have to pay for this?”

Then, the Congress will step up and vote to fix it, by taking those evil insurance companies out of the loop and we’ll just...umm...let government handle it all.

He’s not incompetent!! He’s a f___g COMMUNIST! And he’s winning.


11 posted on 10/29/2013 2:38:53 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: MrChips

A way to put the whole thing in perspective......tell them. For less than half of what the government spent on a non-functioning website they could have sent all 330 million of us a check for $1 million. I think that’s enough to cover healthcare for all for a very long time.


12 posted on 10/29/2013 2:40:40 PM PDT by sheana
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To: MrChips
Let me get this straight...

The holy grail of these folks is the "Freedom of Choice" but, G-D forbid they give us the Freedom to choose...

* What State we buy our healthcare policy out of.
* What kind of policy I want, High deductible, HSA, etc etc
* What bells and Whistles I want in it, Vision, Dental, Birth etc. etc.
* To choose to pay for Birth Control or Abortions...

Oh we have freedom how and when they define it, and if we don't like it, it is basically SHUT UP AND TAKE IT.

Instead we have to buy basically one size fits all with the only changes being the deductible. I guess Statism only comes in a few shades of gray....

13 posted on 10/29/2013 2:41:58 PM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: MrB

The liberal intellectual snob types, in particular, will defend the fact that “normal people” are not smart enough to make decisions, such as what kind of insurance to buy, on their own.


14 posted on 10/29/2013 2:48:43 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: blackdog

But the insurance companies have some new requirements about having to pay a certain percent of their revenues out in claims or “heatlh care”, so I think they are under tight reins about the ability to make any profits under the new deal.


15 posted on 10/29/2013 2:49:57 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: blackdog

Obamacare also dictates to the insurance companies that 85% of premiums be spent on health care. So they have 15% for overhead that they may or may not be able to squeeze any profit from.

The whole thing is designed to fail while bankrupting the health insurance industry.

So we can be “saved” through the institution of a single payer system (everyone on medicaid/medicare). One sixth of the economy socialized and government pwned.


16 posted on 10/29/2013 2:52:05 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: NEMDF
Community based healthcare outreach grants coughed up by Aetna, Blue Cross, Kaiser, etc.... payable to ACORN and Planned Parenthood will count as the 85 % of their revenues spent on healthcare.

Let's not all be that stupid.

17 posted on 10/29/2013 2:56:46 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Valpal1
My take away is like I said in post #17. This whole thing is designed as a political mega-bank which will use insurance companies as bagmen making political donations to progressive groups who will have a branch that has some remote connection to community based healthcare servicing in order to launder the money as required by the Affordable Care Act of 2010.

Anything to get that number down to 85% of premiums collected.

18 posted on 10/29/2013 3:01:34 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: MrChips

Death Panelist (lays down file and stamps heart by-pass application with a big “DENIED!”): Freeper, eh? Good-bye, Mr. Chips.


19 posted on 10/29/2013 3:04:12 PM PDT by steerpike100
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To: MrB

bttt


20 posted on 10/29/2013 3:05:51 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: MrChips
Well I've decided what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I plan to lie to all democrats all of the time from now on.

Don't care who they are either. I'm just going to make up stuff as I go :)

On a more serious note...
I noticed that they touched on something I've been wondering about with these subsidies.
Someone tried to ask stone face if the premiums for obamacare go up in 2015, would the subsidies also increase?

That question was never answered.

Can't wait to see what obamacare will cost folks in 2015.
21 posted on 10/29/2013 3:12:37 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: erkelly

WRONG, the fight ISN’T OVER don’t be a defeatist. Just because ~some~ Republicans won’t fight doesn’t mean ALL won’t, please NO MORE PESSIMISM on FreeRepublic!


22 posted on 10/29/2013 3:12:51 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: MrChips
Dems New Mantra: "It's OK to lie...

Hey, if it's good enough for Islam, it's good enough for the RATs.

23 posted on 10/29/2013 3:13:52 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

That isn’t a “new” mantra...it has been there all along. It is just now they are blatant about doing it. Everything a DIM/LIB says should be ignored and/or ridiculed. They are completely without integrity. That goes for all LIBs/DIMs...not just the worthless scum politicians.


24 posted on 10/29/2013 3:18:53 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: MrChips

Anyone with a calculator and a shred of honesty could have told us that you cannot add 15, 20, 30 million (pick a dishonest democrat number) on to taxpayer teats and expect premiums to go down.

There are not enough young people who can fill the tax coffers at a rate faster than all the older people can drain it out.


25 posted on 10/29/2013 3:28:08 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Wurlitzer

exactly

The new meme is that the cancelled policies were not “good enough”

and “Drat that Obama for giving me more coverage”

They know they lie, they really do not care


26 posted on 10/29/2013 3:33:38 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
"Good enough" means maternity care for single men, and prostate cancer tests for women.

-PJ

27 posted on 10/29/2013 3:34:47 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: blackdog
Insurance companies are selling ice to Eskimos
28 posted on 10/29/2013 3:39:04 PM PDT by Walmartian (I'm their leader. Which way did they go?)
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To: MrChips
Big Brother knows what's good for you. You, the citizen, are too stupid to figure it out for yourself.

Libtards love paternalism. That, plus the ends justify the means, might makes right,and the tribal premise (its for the good of society), and the greatest happiness for the greatest number, can justify anything they want to do, no matter how many natural rights are violated.

29 posted on 10/29/2013 3:44:17 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Political Junkie Too

and breast cancer screenings for tranny men


30 posted on 10/29/2013 3:46:03 PM PDT by GeronL
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31 posted on 10/29/2013 3:53:55 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: MrChips

At the risk of too-much-information, let’s just say I know what it feels like to recover from a vasectomy. Why do I and my post-menopausal wife need coverage that includes birth control and maternity care?

Isn’t this a disparate impact situation?


32 posted on 10/29/2013 4:14:36 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: muir_redwoods

It’s up to voters to decide if they are aith being lied to by their government. If the voters don’t punish the dems for their lies than we are all truly screwed.


33 posted on 10/29/2013 4:18:35 PM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: muir_redwoods

You must be racist and anti-women.


34 posted on 10/29/2013 5:57:54 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: novemberslady

No, they won’t go up. It will be another reason to argue for single-payer . . . their long-term goal.


35 posted on 10/29/2013 6:02:36 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: steerpike100

I’ll use a fake name.


36 posted on 10/29/2013 6:04:54 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips
Dems New Mantra: "It's OK to lie...

Restated, what they are really saying is that Democrats are forced to lie by virtue of having to run against others in elections to keep their jobs.

If only Republicans didn't oppose them in elections, Democrat candidates wouldn't have to openly lie about their intentions and their records in response to others who want their jobs, and who offer different opinions, experiences, and skills.

-PJ

37 posted on 10/29/2013 6:05:22 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: sheana

That is an incredible thought! Thank you. I will share that with everyone I know!


38 posted on 10/29/2013 6:07:51 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: ToastedHead

Please Sir, may I have some more SOMA?


39 posted on 10/29/2013 6:09:44 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: sheana
A way to put the whole thing in perspective......tell them. For less than half of what the government spent on a non-functioning website they could have sent all 330 million of us a check for $1 million. I think that’s enough to cover healthcare for all for a very long time.

The site cost $660 trillion? Now I'm even more upset!

40 posted on 10/29/2013 6:12:46 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Political Junkie Too

Well, yeah, except for solipsistic libs, truth is only what they think it is, so the term “lie” is not something they understand.


41 posted on 10/29/2013 6:17:37 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: NittanyLion; sheana

Ok, so the idea, that for half the cost of the website we could have sent $1 million to every American, is so mind-blowing that I have been trying to find the fatal flaw in out logic. I think I found it. We’re $17 Trillion in Debt, so it’s imaginary money anyway. Still, I like your way of going into debt more than their way. :-)


42 posted on 10/29/2013 6:21:37 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

I’m sorry, dear. We dispense Soma according to our needs, not yours. You will be eligible for a temporary supply sometime in the spring. The exact date your supply will be shipped is subject to the terms expressed on pg 11530 of the ACA. As you should be aware by now, that date is calculated based on “x”, “x” being how well we think you vote this November.

Thank You for shopping at ObamaRx.


43 posted on 10/29/2013 6:27:03 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

Oh please, please, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaase!!! I need my Soma!!!!!!!!!1 WWWWWWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!


44 posted on 10/29/2013 7:05:45 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

If you vote correctly...

Forget single payer, I think this is what they really want. They want to dangle your pills in front of your eyes while they make um, suggestions.

I got my divorce letter from BCBS, by the way. I had re-enrolled in Sept, on the off chance that I’d get a policy that was Obama friendly. No such luck, the policy I bought has been deemed (not by me, but by my superiors in gubmint) to be not good enough for me.

My options are to upgrade to their comparable plan that remains effective through next year and THEN gets cancelled, or suck it up and marry an employer that offers health care, or I guess give up the fight and go on welfare.

I am resigned to sitting back and laughing at all of it. Hopefully one of the above three options will allow me the time I’d like to accomplish this.


45 posted on 10/29/2013 7:30:03 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

Did they say anything about your new costs?


46 posted on 10/29/2013 7:46:35 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

The letter is underneath a pile of crap on the kitchen table, so I’m going by memory, but it was an overall happy correspondence. They only want a few dollars more a month.

With the exception of the kids’ well visits, I’ve never filed a claim with BCBS. I’ve had a cash only guy we used for things like pink eye, allergies. I used a midwife and gave birth in the dining room ($2000 cash up front.) From what I’ve read about others, I think that’s partly why I got so lucky.

I’ve always been paranoid about “The Man” knowing my business. I don’t know why, or where it came from back then. I clearly remember after the first time I was robbed at a pharmacy at knifepoint in the middle of the night, I got an rx for klonopin because I was having these little panic attacks for a while afterwards. Something would fall over behind me, and I’d jump. And for whatever reason, even though I could have used the company insurance to pay for them, I paid cash. I didn’t want it “on my record.” I’m imagining these insurance companies being forced to examine every potential customer “well, they took so and so back in ‘08, they are a risk, put them in this category”.

I still believe this whole Obamacare experiment will become an unfixable failure. We’ll see all new options next year when the adults realize what a mess they have created.


47 posted on 10/29/2013 8:24:22 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

I know what you mean about “the man.” I think most people on the Right have agreed that the healthcare system has problems. We just don’t like the Draconian/Orwellian fix that the Left is imposing upon us. There are simpler solutions.


48 posted on 10/30/2013 10:32:55 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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