Skip to comments.WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 44 NOVEMBER 1, 2013
Posted on 11/01/2013 12:11:04 PM PDT by greeneyes
The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you wont be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isnt asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!
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Between the nursing a cold and rainy weather, the outdoor activities were severely curtailed this week. The indoor garden is doing well.
Lemon tree has several more lemons ripening, and is loaded with blossums which make the air fragrant with their pleasant smell. Peppers are continuing to ripen and putting out new blooms.
My basil continues to amaze me. I have a pot that I started back in 2010. I have harvested it and cut it back every year. A couple of weeks ago, I got carried away and cut it back so severely, I thought it might be done for. It is loaded with little green buds all along the stems which are now as big around as my fingers.
My farmer's Almanac for November says: After digging dahlia tubers store them in a protected place in dry soil. Winterize irrigation systems. Mulch roses and protect winter veggie crops. Work bonemeal into soil before planting bulbs for spring blooms. Prune deciduous shrubs. Waste not- use regular compost or worm compost for kitchen scraps.
Hope all is well with you and yours. Have a great weekend. God Bless.
Pinging the List.
Thank you greeneyes for getting us together. If I can move
Hubby I’m going to plant some fingerling potatoes and 1
sweet potato that sprouted. I’ve asked him to move the
pot for the potatoes, nearer the garage, so as soon as the
spirit moves him, I’ll put the little things in the ground.
Tomorrow is community garden day. I have two HUGE tires
out there. I’m going to line them with cardboard and news
paper along the bottom and sides, fill it with twigs, compost, twigs, compost and soil, the plant some carrots and turnip seeds. I don’t know what else, yet.
Thanks for the Ping. I’ve been baking all week, and my garden doesn’t seem to have suffered from the benign neglect.
Picked tomatoes this week. My lemon boy, and Tycoon tomato plants are loaded. Have a few peppers, and the pak choi, I transplanted from under the growlight is huge compared to that I direct seeded.
I haven’t yet tried planting potatoes in pots. I’ll be interested to hear how yours turn out. How does the community garden stuff work in your area? Is it a city or county thing? What kind of rules do you have?
I've been breaking off sprouts from a sweet potato, and stuck them in a jar of water. They're making lots of roots.
LOL. Benign neglect was the best thing I discovered for my garden. Before that, I killed lots of stuff with kindness.LOL
I harvested about 600 lbs of weeds and grass clippings while they were slightly damp and loaded up the compost pile yesterday. As of a few minutes ago, the internal temp on the compost pile was over 100F. My compost tea really gets a compost pile working quickly.
Haven't learnt much since last communique. Did learn one thing, though -- all the organic remedies in the world (and I've used, to date, 23 different ones) do NOT deter the determined leaf-cutter ant.
The only way that works (on empirical evidence) is a neurotoxin, typically an organophosphate. The crop: sweet peppers, aka pimentones here in Panama. After having EVERY plant in a 30-plant plot denuded of leaves between 60 and 95 percent (the little bastids leave JUST enough leafstock so the plant doesn't die), I treated the ground immediately around half the plants with a local product called Hormitox (hormiga is the word for 'ant' in Spanish).
To date -- and this was approx 3 weeks ago -- all plants so treated are developing new leaves by the bushel. No flowers yet, but I imagine that the plants must recover from stress before flowering (no seasons here, remember, except 'wet' and 'dry'). As to the others, I've kept treating them with regular doses of spice and garlic tea, and packing their stems w/coffee grounds. No improvement.
This is fairly definitive evidence, where I come from (oh, that's right...Missouri).
As ol' MJ said: you can't always get what you want. In this case purely organic ant repellent. But, sometimes, you just might find...you get what you need. In this case, ant-free pimentones.
After 6 weeks of growing dill seedlings in plastic cups, I've started transplanting them into the garden. Some are quite impressive, 10-12 inches high. Theoretically, it's a little early, still the rainy season (and, it has stormed for the past 3 days in the afternoon). Middle of November is theoretically better to transplant, BUT, good news, the four already transplanted are evidently too big to be crushed by the rain (yay!).
Happy gardening, young lady!
Sounds like life is good down your way. I am behind schedule here for the fall/winter plantings, and I haven’t started the home canning of meats yet this year either.
Refresh my memory please - what is in your compost tea?
Tis so sad, but true. Sometimes the organic ways just don’t cut the mustard! Then ya gotta make a choice - do without or go with the stronger stuff.
I have to do that periodically with my lemon tree. I wait untill I have harvested all the fruit, and spray it with pyola a couple of times really good. Then I kinda pick off the flowers after they bloom for a while. Once the foilage is looking healthy again, I’ll let the flowers set fruit.
So far I can get at least a year and a half between doses.
I look forward to hearing more from you, as your climate is so different from here. Happy gardening to you too.
“Sachet of horse poop.” How poetic!
Hi! Harvesting last of the bell peppers.
Dig one up and bring in indoors for the winter.LOL
What if you didn’t have the pump, and weren’t inclined to use a pump - how would you jump start the compost pile?
Story of my life. my 4x4’s are now in their 9th month of existence. I used the Mel’s Mix formula in one and I took a shot at figuring it out for myself in another.
Carrots, onions, tomatoes you name it went into those gardens. Nothing but beautiful flowers and no fruit.
Finally, a baby tomato, a baby carrot, a baby zucchini, some string beans. Not enough for one lunch. I lost all hope.
Yesterday I went out to the garden with the intent to plow it all under, let it rot and wait for next year. To my suprise hidden under all the flora and fauna was a zucchini, a little smaller then the length of my hand. Or is it a squash? It is green AND yellow.
So after all this work, I ind up with one veggie and it has an identity crisis. But like they say in golf, it only takes one good shot to keep you coming back. I am looking forward to the next planting season.
Sounds like our raised garden. We had to pull both tomato plants due to some sort of fungus. The only thing we got in spades was beans and squash, and a few zucchini. Dumped some rabbit poo/straw/hay mix into the garden for over winter and mixed it thoroughly with a pitchfork, and now have what appears to be grass growing (maybe wheat?) all over the thing.
Herbacious plants can be safely pruned by removing about 1/3 of the foliage .
If you were to prune 50% of the foliage or more , the plant goes through "shock" , and is 'set back' a bit .
Wherever you prune close to a leave or stem , it will double the leaf or stem production .
Once my sweet basil goes into flowering and into seed production, it is extremely difficult to prevent it continueing.
Did you use any fertilizer on the garden ?
If so , what kind ? What was the ratio of NPK listed ?
/j what are you using for an air pump for compost tea? Fish tank air pump or something stronger needed for a 5 gal bucket?
I had pretty good luck with Mel’s mix the first season, but I think the peat had added nutrients - enough to feed for 3 months.
The next season’s, I found that I needed quite a bit of added compost to get a good crop. It also takes a year or two for the mix to get all the good stuff it needs - worms and bacteria etc.
I found a real difference in the mix after about 3 years - it really looked like good stuff to grow a garden then.
Try planting a cover crop of rye, clover, and/or vetch. To plow under next spring for additional nutrients.
I didn't have a fish tank air pump, or I would have used that.
Just anything to keep oxygen in the water. The bacteria consume it pretty quickly when they reproduce.
Well I pruned off way more than 50%. It was the last whack that did it. I got distracted and missed the target and lopped off a bunch more than I had anticipated. LOL
Ok. Just curious. Thanks.
Squirrels are desperately trying to find something to store for the winter, because they are in the garden throughout the day. They can't get to the plants now with the net room and net over the onions and over plants on the deck, so screw them. Prissy, the Yorkie, spends a lot of her time, running them out of the garden. I cover the lower part of the big squash plant so they can't get into the bucket. Next spring, I'll put the big squash plants in the net room at the beginning.
My main purchases for spring will be a dwarf lemon tree pretty soon, and I have my various pepper seed but will get the actual plants for one container. Also have to get blackberry plants when they are ready to ship. Those are two year plants supposed to produce berries in 2014, next year.
If all these strawberry plants I have growing actually produce in the early spring, I should have fruit until the fall of next year and maybe the lemon tree will still be producing, not sure about that one. I'm going to buy the actual spice plants from Lowes next spring, have no spices now and no seed as I figured plants would be better and they are not expensive.
I have most of the veggie seed already. I want to try a lettuce that is similar to Romaine type and I have that seed.
It has rained and rained and rained this week. There was flooding in Houston and Austin. For the whole week, I must have had 8 inches. Rightly, how many inches did you get?
LOL ! What did you use ?..a machete , or a lawnmower ?
I hope all is well with Marcella; she has been too quiet all week, on the thread, plus I sent her an email that I never heard anything from her.
Never mind my post #30
Nah it was a tool for trimming hedges. Just happened to be handy, but a bit too much for the task at hand. LOL
We had 3 1/2” of rain, all in two days.
I was wondering about you, you have been too quiet on the thread, was gettin concerned about ya. See post 30
OK, I’m going to make a list of what I’m getting. Forgot to say corn seed for Deck Corn from Burpee (they developed that seed), and fingerling potatoes.
Sounds like all is humming right along. I am so glad to hear that there has been rain in Texas. Hope this signals an end to the drought.
I have better luck with spices and herbs, when I buy the plants vs using the seeds.
I have a meyers lemon that has one good size fruit on it and has been there for a few months. It is still green, any ideas? I know nothing of lemons, just how to make lemonade, southern style.
You sent me an email? I didn’t get it.
Well, she just posted to this thread. I noticed that she wasn’t as prolific as usual, but did note that she posted most days this past week on some thread or the other.
Maybe she’s busy reading the free books she got.
I guess I need to check that out, Yayhoo is junk since they change their mail.
Lemons take forever to ripen and turn from green to yellow. Most lemons you buy are picked and shipped while still green.
I’d say just keep on watering and feeding. I keep my lemon tree kinda root bound, and trim it back periodically so that it will continue to fit in the space that I have to grow it. I was thinking that maybe it thinks it’s dying and is desperate to reproduce.
Otherwise, there is no reason for it to bloom so prolifically. LOL
She was posting while I was typing.
Since it rained nearly every day, nothing was happening outside except for Prissy who would charge out between rains to chase squirrels. Took her to the groomer this morning. She is so close to the ground when she goes into the garden, she gets small twigs and leaves stuck in her leg fur and it’s a chore to get it out of the hair, plus she would also get wet even though it wasn’t raining at that time.
I had four inches in the rain gauge, then got two more, then dumped it, and have two inches in it now from the past day.
By the way, I only got 2 measly lemons the first year, but have had loads since then. I have to pick off lots of the beginning fruits, because I know that the tree couldn’t possibly grow that many.
I am going to have to explore that Deck Corn next year too.
I have so much seed leftover from this year, that I don’t think I need to order any thing except maybe bush beans, deck corn, and mortgage lifter tomato.
Your lemon is in a container? Mine is too. Actually, I have two in containers, the other had a bunch of flowers that budded into little tiny fruit, then all dropped off the plant about 5 months ago.
I got the kneeling/seat thingy yesterday and haven’t taken it out of the box yet. I’m really glad to get that - things around here close to the floor might get cleaned up now. Operative word is, “might”.
A friend of mine in Ohio has a Wysteria tree for 20 years, and it never flowered , and she couldn't figure out why it never flowered.
I told her that the plant was 'too complacent', and had no stress.
I told her to hit it with a bat, or a 2 X 4 board, about seven or eight times ; that year it flowered profusely for the first time .
Sometimes a little stress is needed to motivate plants to flower ,set fruit , and set seed to reproduce .
I'm feeling an itch to open that area up and include it in the tobacco patch. That would give me about 600 sq ft just for tobacco.
I realized today that my gardens are actually quite a bit larger than my house, on a square ft basis.
Except at my area with this last round..It's weird, further down stream from us on The Guadalupe River, flooding, evacuations..Heck, I had to water my garden today.
“I told her to hit it with a bat, or a 2 X 4 board, about seven or eight times”
You will now be turned in to the “Plant Endangerment Board”.