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Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
The Globe and Mail ^ | Nov. 02 2013 | JOHN DOYLE

Posted on 11/03/2013 8:58:27 AM PST by rickmichaels

And so it begins – the plentiful coverage of the 50th anniversary of the assassination of U.S. president John F. Kennedy. The date itself is weeks away and there will be countless commemorative programs, specials and copious punditry on TV.

JFK: The Smoking Gun (Sunday, Discovery, 8 p.m.) is one of the most controversial of the bunch. Made for the tiny U.S. cable channel Reelz, it’s a two-hour docudrama based on the book of the same name by former Australian police detective Colin McLaren. He claims to have spent years on “the forensic cold-case investigation of JFK’s assassination” and says he believes he has found “the smoking gun” that killed the president. His conclusion is not the accepted story.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: conspiracytheory; dallas; dealeyplaza; jfk; jfkassassination; johnfkennedy; kennedy; kennedyassassination; mafia; smokinggun; ss; texas; usss
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1 posted on 11/03/2013 8:58:27 AM PST by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

Let’s see. Uh, the SS agent was showing off his prototype AR-15 when it discharged and took down “came-alot”. If only lho had used an AR-15, we would never have had the “problem” we have now since they would have been banned since ‘63.


2 posted on 11/03/2013 9:03:14 AM PST by rktman (Let sleeping wives lie.)
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To: rktman
Seriously, I have heard this theory that after Kennedy took the first shot through the lower neck, a cop/agent in a trailing car pulled his hand gun and it discharged, striking Kennedy's head from the back with exit wound out the forehead.

This theory should be considered, IMO.

3 posted on 11/03/2013 9:08:12 AM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: rickmichaels

Oh brother...not another conspiracy theory.

People just can’t seem to come to grips that a loser like Lee Harvey Oswald could take down our president. For many people, there just has to be a conspiracy.

Most of these conspiracy theories are just plain nutty.


4 posted on 11/03/2013 9:09:16 AM PST by Artcore
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To: rktman

To elaborate, the Dallas police KNEW this is what had happened but they couldn’t exactly tell the American people one of their own shot Kennedy in the head, could they..


5 posted on 11/03/2013 9:10:24 AM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: All

20 year old theory first put forth in the book Mortal Error....a load of crap then and a load of crap now.....


6 posted on 11/03/2013 9:11:11 AM PST by thestob ( Paul Ryan is determined to destroy our country)
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To: rickmichaels; windcliff; stylecouncilor

No. Jackie, enraged over Marylyn Monroe stories, pugged both him and Connoly, then tried to escape over the trunk before the Secret Service put her back in the car.

It was covered up for years, with Oswald the dupe, because it was felt an insane First Lady would cause a national panic. And Jackie was properly medicated for the rest of her life.

Little did we know then that we indeed had everything to fear.


7 posted on 11/03/2013 9:11:42 AM PST by onedoug
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To: rickmichaels

Oswald did it. Anyone that has stood in that window in Dallas knows he easily could have done it. I could hit a target at that very short distance with a pistol, a rock, a small toy, anything. It was VERY close in and a direct shot.

Oswald advertised his communist intentions, his buying of a rifle, everything. Hell, this is the most open and shut case possible.

As far as that “Magic Bullet” theory nonsense, if you take into account one thing the MB theory does not, yet was in evidence at the time, it is totally plausible for Oswald to have taken that shot: The read seat of that car was elevated something like 6 inches, which negates the entire magic bullet theory.

One of the cable channels even duplicated the shot several times down to the bullet landing gracefully by Governor Connally’s side.

The shots were not magic and took no real planning or extreme skill or any amount of luck to do. It was an easy shot.


8 posted on 11/03/2013 9:12:32 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: onedoug

“No. Jackie, enraged over Marylyn Monroe stories, pugged both him and Connoly, then tried to escape over the trunk before the Secret Service put her back in the car.”

ROFL! Yeah, dats da tickit! Dats how it happened! I was der. Yeah, the whole time, too.


9 posted on 11/03/2013 9:13:48 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: thestob

“20 year old theory first put forth in the book Mortal Error....a load of crap then and a load of crap now.....”
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I’m no fan of the Federal Government, or Spector and Ford, but I believe the Warren Commission got this right.


10 posted on 11/03/2013 9:15:33 AM PST by Artcore
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To: CodeToad

The head shot came from the front.


11 posted on 11/03/2013 9:15:56 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: rickmichaels
Beware of.. The 'GUN PEOPLE'.. LOL!


12 posted on 11/03/2013 9:16:32 AM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: rickmichaels

Be nice if they focused more attention on the current pResident


13 posted on 11/03/2013 9:16:36 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom ;Sarcasm is my bidness)
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To: rickmichaels
No, no, no. Republican brothers Dulles, Republican Richard Nixon, Republican George H.W. Bush arranged the assassination. Possibly LBJ knew about it and of course the evil right winger J. Edgar Hoover knew and approved.

However maybe the SS guy did have a role.. was he a Republican?

14 posted on 11/03/2013 9:18:04 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: rickmichaels

No, worse yet. A communist ne’er-do-well did it.


15 posted on 11/03/2013 9:18:31 AM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: laplata

The head shot appears to have EXITED in the front.


16 posted on 11/03/2013 9:18:49 AM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: laplata

“The head shot came from the front.”
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Yeah, and the supposed shooter in the grassy knoll turned out to be a load of crap!

We’re supposed to believe this head shot came from the front or side, but not one person saw anything? Please.


17 posted on 11/03/2013 9:18:52 AM PST by Artcore
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To: Artcore

The head shot came from the front.


18 posted on 11/03/2013 9:20:25 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Artcore

Crazy shots sometimes do hit their targets but stand in the Sixth Floor Window sometime and tell me anyone with half a brain would attempt it from there. But will agree that a hungover Secret Service agent makes even less sense.


19 posted on 11/03/2013 9:21:30 AM PST by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: laplata

The head shot came from the front.
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Fine, show us the proof of this...


20 posted on 11/03/2013 9:21:58 AM PST by Artcore
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To: laplata
The head shot came from the front.

Was it a cold front or a warm front?

21 posted on 11/03/2013 9:22:11 AM PST by windsorknot (>>>)
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To: Artcore

Take a look at the bullet that supposedly killed JFK. Anyone who shoots can tell you that bullet did not strike anything... Apart from maybe a pile of sand. And to be honest I have personally dug out less powerful fmj rounds and they were deformed, most folded over.

The bullet on display at the museum in no way went through any bone let alone bones from a couple of people. Conspiracies run from possible to downright crazy,, but a rifle fired at that distance, striking multiple items, would never look like that.

One of the things that most impressed me was the distance from the book depository window to the impact spot. Maybe 50yds or so? Any idiot could have made that shot, but that still doesnt explain that prestine bullet....


22 posted on 11/03/2013 9:22:41 AM PST by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: Artcore

Show me the proof that it didn’t come from the back. His head jerked backward and the blood and brain spray went back as well. Look at the film.


23 posted on 11/03/2013 9:25:05 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: bgill

Crazy shots sometimes do hit their targets but stand in the Sixth Floor Window sometime and tell me anyone with half a brain would attempt it from there. But will agree that a hungover Secret Service agent makes even less sense.
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Look, I’m ready to believe there was a second shooter, and a front shot, but I’ve seen NO proof. I remember how long people bought into the idea of the shooter on the grassy knoll from one of the photos where some type of image can be seen. This was found to be utter B.S.

Seriously, we’re to believe the fatal shot to Kennedy came from the front, and yet nobody (not even the three rail workers n the triple overpass) saw anything?

I’m ready to believe otherwise, but as of this date, these conspiracy theories are nothing but steaming piles of sh*t.


24 posted on 11/03/2013 9:27:47 AM PST by Artcore
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To: CivilWarBrewing

That’s hard to believe because they usually shoot themselves in the foot.


25 posted on 11/03/2013 9:28:20 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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26 posted on 11/03/2013 9:30:19 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: walkingdead

First of all, it couldn’t have been a Dallas cop who shot into the car because there wasn’t a dog in the back seat( Dallas cops are notorious for shooting the family pet). Secondly we know that Jackie didn’t shoot because Clint Eastwood was the agent walking just behind the limo./s


27 posted on 11/03/2013 9:31:05 AM PST by shadeaud (Stay Thirsty My Friends)
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To: laplata

Show me the proof that it didn’t come from the back. His head jerked backward and the blood and brain spray went back as well. Look at the film.
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Okay, I will look at it again. Hey, if I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to admit it.

As an aside, I wonder if the film that was taken by the Babushka Lady (whom I think was never located) has any additional evidence? Even after the shot, it appears she kept right on rolling.


28 posted on 11/03/2013 9:31:09 AM PST by Artcore
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To: windsorknot

It was one of those “heat seeking bullets” that that crazy gun grabber Dem. congresswomen believes in. She was referring to tracers.


29 posted on 11/03/2013 9:31:11 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Artcore

Been there done that believe me.


30 posted on 11/03/2013 9:31:25 AM PST by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not just selectively for Democrats.)
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To: bgill

6th floor window, rifle with scope, one leftist lunatic ex-marine with rifle skills = one to back of head dead president.


31 posted on 11/03/2013 9:31:32 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: bgill
Crazy shots sometimes do hit their targets but stand in the Sixth Floor Window sometime and tell me anyone with half a brain would attempt it from there.

I like the theory that Kennedy was killed by mistake. It appeals to my sardonic side. Connally was the real target, but Oswald was a lousy shot. (Oswald was after Connally because of some military discharge papers dispute.) The real cover-up is that it was better to make Jack a martyr rather than some poor schmuck who was in the way.

I saw that printed once and then disappear, but it was no wilder than some of the other theories.

32 posted on 11/03/2013 9:32:28 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Artcore

I don’t know about the Babushka lady.


33 posted on 11/03/2013 9:32:48 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: shadeaud

Maybe Jackie had one of the first fashion accesory dogs like Paris Hilton and the cops were shooting at a family pet lol!


34 posted on 11/03/2013 9:34:45 AM PST by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: Artcore

The debate will probably never end.


35 posted on 11/03/2013 9:36:24 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

There is also a theory, promoted, iirc, by liberal writer/actor Belzer, in his book DEAD WRONG, that L.B. Johnson was behind it.


36 posted on 11/03/2013 9:36:52 AM PST by Jane Austen (Boycott the Philadelphia Eagles!)
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To: rickmichaels

I think he was shot from outer space, by a Russian assassination satellite. The Russians also had a chip in Oswald’s brain which they activated, causing him to implicate himself by going to the book depository and his actions afterward.


37 posted on 11/03/2013 9:37:05 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: laplata

The limo was moving forward hence the skull and scalp landing on the trunk after transiting straight up. Oswald got one hit but I believe another shot was the “kill” shot. IMO there isn’t a definitive explanation that accounts for the 4 or maybe even 5 shots.

One thing is for sure though- somebody sure killed the hell out of poor old Jack that day


38 posted on 11/03/2013 9:37:23 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: laplata

The Head Shot Came from the Front.

How many times do you people who haven’t spent anytime hunting , shooting, killing someone in combat, or cleaning up head wounds in an ER, cling to this insane theory. Bullets leave little holes on entry, and great big holes on exit, with all kinds of blood & body matter spraying away from the point of exit.


39 posted on 11/03/2013 9:38:24 AM PST by docman57 (Retired but still on Duty)
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To: laplata

Awesome, heat seeking bullets. Kind of like that congress lady who thought hi-cap magazines, if outlawed, would be gone in a generation, cause after you shoot them they are gone! She actually thought the gun consumed the magazine! And these idiots make law for us.....


40 posted on 11/03/2013 9:38:40 AM PST by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: Artcore
His head jerked backward and the blood and brain spray went back as well.

Yes but they were in a moving car so factor that into the equation.

41 posted on 11/03/2013 9:39:11 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: laplata

“I don’t know about the Babushka lady.”
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She can be seen in the Zapruder, Nix and Muchmore films.

They were never able to locate her. It would have been interesting to see if she captured anything else the other films and pictures didn’t.

If you have some time, check her out on Youtube...kind of interesting that she keeps rolling even after the fatal shot is fired.


42 posted on 11/03/2013 9:39:40 AM PST by Artcore
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To: atc23

One thing is for sure though- somebody sure killed the hell out of poor old Jack that day


You just won the debate. LOL


43 posted on 11/03/2013 9:39:43 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: docman57

Somebody killed him. The debate will never end.


44 posted on 11/03/2013 9:43:10 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: rickmichaels
He claims to have spent years on “the forensic cold-case investigation of JFK’s assassination” and says he believes he has found “the smoking gun” that killed the president. His conclusion is not the accepted story.

Not a lot of money in going with the accepted story, and technically, its not a cold case.

45 posted on 11/03/2013 9:43:11 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: CodeToad
Oswald did it. Anyone that has stood in that window in Dallas knows he easily could have done it. I could hit a target at that very short distance with a pistol, a rock, a small toy, anything. It was VERY close in and a direct shot.

Another thing I always hear is that he wasn't that good a shot in the Service. Expert badges are lost in the standing and squatting positions not when you have something on which rest the rifle (like a window sill).

46 posted on 11/03/2013 9:43:17 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: rickmichaels

Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Anyone who has seen the evidence and is not warped knows that.


47 posted on 11/03/2013 9:44:15 AM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: rickmichaels

Bush’s fault, being from Texas. /sarc.


48 posted on 11/03/2013 9:44:44 AM PST by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: laplata

And the little murderous leftist Oswald also killed a Dallas police officer afterwards. He was guilty as dirty sin without question and now enjoying his hellish eternal home.


49 posted on 11/03/2013 9:45:34 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: walkingdead

LOL. Or Jocelyn Elders saying something like about “we need gentler bullets”.


50 posted on 11/03/2013 9:45:42 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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