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Family: Louisiana Police stun father as son died in house fire
ConnectTriStates ^ | 11/01/2013 | Kris Wernowsky

Posted on 11/06/2013 8:32:18 AM PST by Rusty0604

LOUISIANA, MO. -- The Missouri State Fire Marshal continues its investigation into an early morning Thursday fire that took the life of a 3-year-old Louisiana, Mo. boy. A city police officer stunned Riley's stepfather Ryan Miller with a Taser gun three times as he tried to enter the burning house. Lori Miller, Riley's grandmother, said police stunned Ryan Miller as he tried to get back in the house.

“He tried to get back in the house to get the baby,” Lori Miller said. “They took my son to jail because he tried to save his son.”

Ryan Miller's sister-in-law doesn't think the police handled the situation correctly.

"It's just heartless. How could they be so heartless? And while they all just stood around and waited for the fire department, what kind of police officer wouldn't try and save a three year old burning in a house?" said Emily Miller. "We've been going through pictures and he's just smiling in every picture. He was just a happy, go-lucky kid."

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1 posted on 11/06/2013 8:32:18 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

>> what kind of police officer wouldn’t try and save a three year old burning in a house?

The kind that would electro-torture his dad for trying to save him?

Just a guess.


2 posted on 11/06/2013 8:34:42 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Rusty0604
Ryan Miller's sister-in-law doesn't think the police handled the situation correctly.

Ya think?

Those cops should be charged with negligent homocide in my opinion for preventing the father from trying to save his kid.

3 posted on 11/06/2013 8:36:40 AM PST by GeronL
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To: Rusty0604

He disobeyed the police and attempted to save his son?

Do not disobey orders from those in government.


4 posted on 11/06/2013 8:37:54 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Nervous Tick

Why isn’t this “officer” named in the article?


5 posted on 11/06/2013 8:39:21 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Rusty0604
The house was destroyed so I guess it was a pretty bad fire. How bad was it when the police stunned the man? Was it smokey with some flames here and there or already a raging inferno?

what kind of police officer wouldn't try and save a three year old burning in a house?

Maybe the type without any protective equipment or air tank. This isn't a movie where the heroic cop leaps over a burning beam (which is in a door frame no where close to the rest of the fire for some reason), dashes into the bedroom and saves the child and ends up with a little cough and a sooty face. There are some fires even firefighters won't go into no matter how much equipment they have.

6 posted on 11/06/2013 8:39:22 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Everyone get online for Obamacare on 10/1. Overload the system and crash it hard!)
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To: Rusty0604

Sad but, sometimes cops do what they can to save more lives.

The parents exited the back of the house and ran around to the front, only then attempting to re-enter.

The fire was too hot for even a fireman to enter the building and the baby was in the back of the house, where the fire started.

At this time, I’m going with the cops decision.


7 posted on 11/06/2013 8:39:27 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Rusty0604

Somebody has earned at least a punch in the mouth.


8 posted on 11/06/2013 8:39:41 AM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Rusty0604

Did they run out of house pets to shoot?


9 posted on 11/06/2013 8:39:42 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: Nervous Tick

A co-worker of mine had a friend that, sadly, accidentally backed over his daughter with his truck. The parents called 911 for medical assistance and when the police arrived they handcuffed and restrained both parents from comforting their daughter, and that was the last thing that poor girl saw of this earth before she died.


10 posted on 11/06/2013 8:40:05 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

What on earth is happening with law enforcement in this country? This is insane.


11 posted on 11/06/2013 8:40:52 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Rusty0604
State Fire Marshal Investigator Scott Stoneberger said that a firefighter in full gear attempted to enter the home but the flames were too hot. Firefighters discovered Riley near the doorway to the bedroom from the front living room.
 
Sad....
 

12 posted on 11/06/2013 8:41:39 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

They arrested him and put him in jail. I’m not with the cops on that.


13 posted on 11/06/2013 8:42:39 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

WHERE’S AL SHARPTON?!!! Oh wait, the baby was white. Never mind.


14 posted on 11/06/2013 8:42:45 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Rusty0604
A co-worker of mine had a friend that, sadly, accidentally backed over his daughter with his truck. The parents called 911 for medical assistance and when the police arrived they handcuffed and restrained both parents from comforting their daughter, and that was the last thing that poor girl saw of this earth before she died.

Horrific.
15 posted on 11/06/2013 8:42:58 AM PST by Robert Teesdale
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To: KarlInOhio

It isn’t the cops job to make that decision.
If the father wants to risk his life or die trying in an attempt to save his kid, the cop need to get the hell out of the way.


16 posted on 11/06/2013 8:43:12 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: trisham

From now on, Americans will need to arm themselves and take up a defensive position before calling the police for help.


17 posted on 11/06/2013 8:44:49 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Little Ray

Gotta agree with you on that one.


18 posted on 11/06/2013 8:45:47 AM PST by TheDon (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

It does seem that law enforcement is increasingly taking an adversarial position toward law-abiding citizens.


19 posted on 11/06/2013 8:48:01 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Rusty0604

I am.

They removed him from the scene.

It doesn’t say he was charged and I think it best to remove someone from the scene and give them a little time and space.

They’ll still grieve but, it will be less traumatic than watching as the house went down to the ground.

It really was for the best.


20 posted on 11/06/2013 8:48:03 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Rusty0604

I used to be as pro-police as they come, but the more I read about stories like this...


21 posted on 11/06/2013 8:48:23 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vendome
fire was too hot for even a fireman to enter

Please...It's fireperson...manhole is personhole..

Learn it.

22 posted on 11/06/2013 8:48:30 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: trisham
What is happening to law enforcement in this country?

Ubiquitous cell phone cameras.
That is the only difference.
People like you are waking up because very common stories like this can no longer be effectively suppressed. It is no longer a question of who's word to believe, and the police relied on that dynamic to cover up just as much stuff in the past as they get caught doing now.

23 posted on 11/06/2013 8:48:32 AM PST by MrEdd (iHeck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: dragnet2

Damnit!

Forgot where I put my PC book this morning.

Oh! Here it is.

It was under my copy of Mao’s Little Red Book.


24 posted on 11/06/2013 8:50:44 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: MrEdd

I’ve had experience with the police over the years. I’ve never seen this kind of behaviour, or even something remotely like it.


25 posted on 11/06/2013 8:50:53 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
What on earth is happening with law enforcement in this country? This is insane.

They are drunk with power. You may not disobey the orders of your overlords.

What they forget is that there are thousands of us for every one of them. And we are waking up.

26 posted on 11/06/2013 8:51:27 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: Rusty0604

This government is OUT OF CONTROL! How is this different than any other fascist regime?

They stunned the guy 3 times for trying to save his son? Somebody has got to explain this. And this guy ought to sue to own this police department.

Absolutely incredible.


27 posted on 11/06/2013 8:54:06 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: Rusty0604
A city police officer stunned Riley's stepfather Ryan Miller with a Taser gun three times as he tried to enter the burning house.

What, no forced anal probe and enema to go with it? Slackers.

28 posted on 11/06/2013 8:54:10 AM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: KarlInOhio

Thank you for your rational post. There are some who rebel against even legitimate use of authority.


29 posted on 11/06/2013 8:54:49 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Rusty0604

At least they didn’t shoot his dog.....


30 posted on 11/06/2013 8:56:48 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Little Ray

Absolutely and unquestionable correct. As long as this father didn’t pose a direct risk to anyone else they ought to have let him go. The Gestapo tactics againts citizens has got to stop!


31 posted on 11/06/2013 8:56:58 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America; trisham
Or don't call them at all. Default behavior in dealing with modern police:

Do not call them.

Do not allow them into your house without a warrant.

Do not speak to them except to say "I do not give you permission to search/enter" or "am I under arrest" or "I was is fear for my life" or "may I call my lawyer."

32 posted on 11/06/2013 8:57:01 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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The parents reportedly escaped the burning house through a rear door in the building
when smoke woke them from their sleep and they called 911. They then ran to the front
of the house and Ryan Miller was trying to break down the front door as police and
firefighters arrived on the scene. Jenne confirmed that he was stunned with a Taser
and restrained.

State Fire Marshal Investigator Scott Stoneberger explained that a firefighter in full
gear had attempted to enter the house but the flames were too hot.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/missouri-police-tasered-desperate-father-trying-to-save-3-y-o-son-as-he-dies-helplessly-in-house-fire-108061/

Riley was asleep in a bedroom, and Ryan and Catherine Miller — Riley is Ryan
Miller’s stepson — had fallen asleep watching television in a back living room
area off the kitchen. Smoke woke Catherine Miller, who woke up her husband. He
grabbed her cell phone to call 911, then tried to get in the kitchen to the
hallway to Riley’s bedroom, but “there was so much smoke and flames he couldn’t
get through,” Jenne said. “They made it out through a rear door, came around
front and were waiting on police and fire to get there.”

While firefighters started to knock down the fire, Ryan Miller kicked in the
front door and tried to enter the burning residence. Police tried to restrain
Ryan Miller, who became combative, Jenne said, and an officer used a stun
gun to subdue him. As Ryan Miller was pulled back, one firefighter in full
gear tried to enter the home, but “the heat just forced him back out,” Jenne said.
“Firefighters finally got to the boy, and sadly enough, he was only maybe 12-15
feet from the front door.”

http://www.whig.com/story/23860832/faulty-electrical-circuit-blamed-in-fatal-louisiana-fire


33 posted on 11/06/2013 8:57:19 AM PST by deport
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To: Vendome
It really was for the best.

Not the cops decision to make.

34 posted on 11/06/2013 8:57:51 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: jboot

The current culture ignores the law and encourages violence. It has an affect.


35 posted on 11/06/2013 8:58:21 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Rusty0604

The father will be charged with something, solely as a CYA move to justify a tasing. The situation could have been handled better by the police. Protect and serve has become subject and punish.


36 posted on 11/06/2013 9:01:49 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: trisham

It does not follow that if the culture is violent and lawless that the police must also be violent and lawless. In doing so they betray their lack of character and break the trust of the community.


37 posted on 11/06/2013 9:05:55 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
There are some who rebel against even legitimate use of authority.

You bet.

If they didn't have the capability to electrocute the Dad, they could of beat him with clubs for his own safety.

He's lucky they didn't shoot him, as they they have the legitimate authority to do so.

38 posted on 11/06/2013 9:06:50 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Rusty0604
"It's just heartless. How could they be so heartless? And while they all just stood around and waited for the fire department, what kind of police officer wouldn't try and save a three year old burning in a house?"

Being a police officer in Obamerica doesn't require good judgment or courage. Just the ability to hit a dog with a firearm at a distance of thirty inches.

39 posted on 11/06/2013 9:08:26 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: jboot

I agree, but my point was that there does seem to be a very bad attitude by a growing number of law enforcement. There is a reason for this, imho.


40 posted on 11/06/2013 9:10:33 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: dragnet2

Well said.


41 posted on 11/06/2013 9:11:48 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Rusty0604

I demand the right to die trying to save my kid. It doesn’t take a panel to make that decision for me. Woe unto anyone trying to stop me.


42 posted on 11/06/2013 9:13:04 AM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: trisham

I understand your point, but it does not give then an excuse for bad behavior. The absolutely rampant abuse of steroids by LEOs is probabaly a bigger contributing factor than anything coming in from the culture. ‘Roid rage looks bad on anybody.


43 posted on 11/06/2013 9:15:41 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: Rusty0604

The cop should have just turned his head and crossed his fingers.

But you know what? The man is alive and now has the cop to blame which is better than being dead or Alive and riddled by guilt for the rest of his life.


44 posted on 11/06/2013 9:20:06 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: KarlInOhio
Indeed.

So the consensus on the thread is:

(1) The cop should have committed suicide by walking into an inferno or

(2) Should have watched someone else commit suicide by walking into an inferno.

Many deep, analytical thinkers here.

45 posted on 11/06/2013 9:23:27 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Usagi_yo
The man is alive and now has the cop to blame which is better than being dead or Alive and riddled by guilt for the rest of his life.

Yeah, poor guy, he'll have to retire at 50 years old with $80,000 per year...In fact with all this stress, like so many others in government, he'll likely do a medical retirement and add another 40k a year to his pension to help him get through this.

46 posted on 11/06/2013 9:27:25 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: KarlInOhio
Another observation: the biological mother of the child fled the house without the child and did not go back in to save him.

However, she feels entitled to blame the cop for not going inside and for preventing the child's stepfather from not going inside.

No way she was burning to death - but her husband and the cop should have.

47 posted on 11/06/2013 9:29:14 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Once again, it was not the cop's call to make. Or anyone else's.

Police are mere public servants. We don't pay them to play god.

48 posted on 11/06/2013 9:29:34 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: jboot

yes, it is.

What good will a dead father be to his other child?


49 posted on 11/06/2013 9:30:35 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: NonValueAdded
You can demand that imaginary "right" all you want.

It does not relieve anyone else from the moral responsibility he has to prevent you from killing yourself.

50 posted on 11/06/2013 9:32:03 AM PST by wideawake
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