Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Joel Osteen finally comes out on 'gay' issue
World Net Daily ^ | 10/03/2013

Posted on 11/06/2013 8:34:36 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

'I'm not here to be preaching hate, pushing people down'

God “absolutely” approves of everyone — including homosexuals — declared one of America’s most well-known evangelical pastors

The Houston megapastor and best-selling author Joel Osteen, whose followers include the likes of Cher and Oprah Winfrey, is hitting the talk-show circuit to promote his new book, “Break Out!

HuffPo Live host Josh Zepps quoted from Osteen’s new book: “It doesn’t matter who likes you or who doesn’t like you, all that matters is God likes you. He accepts you, he approves of you.”

Zepps followed up by asking if that included homosexuals.

Pastor Joel Osteen

“Absolutely,” Osteen insisted, “I believe that God has breathed his life into every single person. We’re all on a journey. Nobody’s perfect.”

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: evangelicals; homosexualagenda; joelosteen; megachurch; osteen; pastor; sin
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-92 next last
I am stunned and surprised he said this said no one ever.
1 posted on 11/06/2013 8:34:36 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

However....

FTA:

Osteen has said numerous times that he believes living a homosexual lifestyle is a sin in accordance with his understanding of Christian scripture.

“I believe the scripture says that being gay is a sin. But, you know, every time I say that, Chris … people say, well, you are a gay hater and you’re a gay basher,” Osteen told Wallace during the interview. “I’m not. I don’t – I don’t dislike anybody. Gays are some of the nicest, kindest, most loving people in the world. But my faith is based on what I believe the scripture says, and that’s the way I read the scripture.”

more....


2 posted on 11/06/2013 8:36:29 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

What is a church for if God approves of everyone and everyone is okay??


3 posted on 11/06/2013 8:37:41 AM PST by GeronL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

Kinda surprised he said it out loud.


4 posted on 11/06/2013 8:38:37 AM PST by pgkdan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Could be standard Christian Dogma. Though stated in a disturbingly cryptic way.


5 posted on 11/06/2013 8:38:47 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

Osteen MIGHT have continued by saying that while God loves all whom He has created, He does NOT approve of the gay lifestyle, or pedophilia, or infidelity or any number of behaviors of His beloved children.


6 posted on 11/06/2013 8:41:38 AM PST by EDINVA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Buckeye McFrog

Those words don’t appear in the Bible, though.


7 posted on 11/06/2013 8:41:46 AM PST by Olog-hai
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

Separated at birth from Jerry Seinfeld.

The Missus and I used to listen to Joel Osteen regularly a few years ago, every sunday, just before going to “real” church.

It’s not that what he said was counter to Scripture...it’s that he didn’t tell the whole story. It’s like a steady diet of only Twinkies. Tasty for a short while, but unfulfilling and unhealthy.

Ever hear him mention Jesus? I can’t recall him ever really talking about Jesus Christ, salvation, the alternative to salvation, etc.


8 posted on 11/06/2013 8:42:03 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd; DocRock; del4hope; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; Ottofire; ...
But I believe every person is made in the image of God, and you have accept them as they are, on their journey. I’m not here to be preaching hate, pushing people down. I’m not here telling people what they’re doing wrong.

Translation: I'm not here to preach God's word.

____________________________________________________________________

YBPDLN Ping List Ping!

The YBPDLN Ping List is generally published infrequently, but based on the exploits of the megachurch pastors posts can spike for a period of time. If you would like on or off of this list please FReepmail me.


9 posted on 11/06/2013 8:42:27 AM PST by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

Joel Osteen is SO gay


10 posted on 11/06/2013 8:42:43 AM PST by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

Pretty sound generic Christian thinking:

God loves the sinner, but hates the sin.

I don’t know of a Church (Catholic, Protestant, or other) that disagrees with this, except the Westboro Baptists.


11 posted on 11/06/2013 8:43:11 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

If they live, breathe and carry cash ... he got no prob.


12 posted on 11/06/2013 8:44:59 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

I look at homosexuality as no better or worse than any other sin. For instance, if I knew of someone who was a serial shoplifter, I wouldn’t shout them down and denounce them in the street, but on the other side of the coin I wouldn’t excuse their behavior by saying, “Well that’s just how God made them....” or “The church better stop preaching that stealing is a sin, because we don’t want to scare away shoplifters and their families who might get offended.”


13 posted on 11/06/2013 8:45:17 AM PST by apillar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd
God breathed life in Adam and Eve..they SINNED and therefore we are consieved in sin and born into sin

Ps 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

When we become a Christian we are now the home of the Holy Spirit, a NEW breath of life that is now spoken into our souls.

14 posted on 11/06/2013 8:45:24 AM PST by Paul46360
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vision

Osteen ping.


15 posted on 11/06/2013 8:45:52 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeronL
What is a church for if God approves of everyone and everyone is okay??

A waste of time. After all, nothing that you do or do not do will cause God to cease to accept you and approve of you.

Therefore, do as thou wilt.

See how easy it is to get from Joel Osteen to Anton LeVay?

16 posted on 11/06/2013 8:46:00 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

My favorite sermon is “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” by Jonathan Edwards.


17 posted on 11/06/2013 8:46:06 AM PST by huldah1776
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd
Smiley face

Smiley face

Smiley face

18 posted on 11/06/2013 8:46:21 AM PST by ClaytonP
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeronL

a system of symbols which acts to establish powerful, pervasive, and long-lasting moods in men by formulating conceptions of a general order of existence and clothing those conceptions with such an aura of factuality that the moods and motivations seem uniquely realistic.


19 posted on 11/06/2013 8:47:06 AM PST by babble-on
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

Scripture’s clear on this topic,

but, it seems, since it is in opposition to what the current politically correct viewpoint is,

it must be abandoned and dismissed.


20 posted on 11/06/2013 8:47:09 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

Then what did Jesus die for? For the fun of it?


21 posted on 11/06/2013 8:47:51 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeronL
An effective church helps sinners improve their lives. It doesn't reaffirm their sins.

The church of big government, OTOH, takes from those who have achieved some degree of success in overcoming their sins to enable those who refuse to make the effort.

22 posted on 11/06/2013 8:47:53 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

Osteen has fallen for that great error that public popularity is more important than truth. Paul, however, was not this thin. He notes that while homosexual inclinations are no worse that adulterous inclinations, or lying inclinations, or gossiping inclinations, none of these activities were to be endorsed. But, the homosexual community now wants everyone to say, their sin is not just “okay”, but it is to be lauded. Perhaps the adulterers will step up next demanding the same.


23 posted on 11/06/2013 8:48:14 AM PST by Dutchboy88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: montag813
Joel Osteen is SO gay.
*********************

I thought the headline said that he was coming out as gay.

24 posted on 11/06/2013 8:49:15 AM PST by kara37
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Dutchboy88

Remember the target - the left seeks to destroy the family and replace it with the State.


25 posted on 11/06/2013 8:49:19 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd
This really surprises me. Gay people's money spends just as well as everybody else,' and Joel is all about the money.
26 posted on 11/06/2013 8:50:10 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EDINVA

He might have focused a bit more on Bible prophecy too (which speaks of the punishment of the unrepentant), and perhaps the truth about Sodom and Gomorrah.


27 posted on 11/06/2013 8:51:03 AM PST by Olog-hai
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: apillar
I look at homosexuality as no better or worse than any other sin.

All sin condemns, but there is indeed a difference in seriousness that God himself says that He recognizes. Sexual sin is at the extreme end of the seriousness spectrum. It led to destruction by fire of an entire geographical region, when other sins didn't call for this judgement.

If He recognizes these differences, then we ought to as well.

28 posted on 11/06/2013 8:51:15 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

God loves us all, but hates some of our BEHAVIOR.


29 posted on 11/06/2013 8:53:04 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Ye cannot serve God and mammon” — Matthew 6:24 and Luke 16:13.


30 posted on 11/06/2013 8:53:04 AM PST by Olog-hai
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

Uhhh,, shaking my head..


31 posted on 11/06/2013 8:53:36 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

God loves homosexuals, more than I love my children.

But at times, my children earned my disapproval, based upon actions.

Love doesn’t mean approval.


32 posted on 11/06/2013 8:53:37 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TheThirdRuffian

What do you expect from world class nut daily? These are the same people who thought someone watched a Chinese sub launch an ICBM and recorded it blast away for 10 MINUTES.

Freegards


33 posted on 11/06/2013 8:53:58 AM PST by Ransomed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

Joel Olsteen can bring a lot of people to Christ. There are different styles of preaching that are effective for different people.

As long as he doesn’t say that sin is ok with God, he’s not saying anything contrary to the Bible.

The way he parses his words is disturbingly close to a politician’s, but whatever he says is not inconsistent with the Bible.

Essentially, he is emphasizing the “love the sinner” part of the equation, and not the “hate the sin” part. That’s fine with me.


34 posted on 11/06/2013 8:54:15 AM PST by winner3000
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jboot
What is a church for if God approves of everyone and everyone is okay??

A waste of time. After all, nothing that you do or do not do will cause God to cease to accept you and approve of you.

Reminds me of that passage in the bible that says (paraphrasing) "And in those days Israel had no king so every man was left to do what was right in his own eyes."

I find that phrase fits perfectly the United States today, we are so bereft of leadership (both politically and spiritually), that many have just begun "doing what is right in their own eyes". That is why you can find many so-called Christians that will say (and sincerely believe) that homosexuality and homosexual relationships are a beautiful thing and God has no problem with it. Even though there is absolutely nothing in the bible that supports that view (in fact just the opposite), but it doesn't matter because it is right "in their own eyes".

35 posted on 11/06/2013 8:55:28 AM PST by apillar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: apillar
I look at homosexuality as no better or worse than any other sin. For instance, if I knew of someone who was a serial shoplifter, I wouldn't shout them down and denounce them in the street, but on the other side of the coin I wouldn't excuse their behavior by saying, “Well that’s just how God made them....” or “The church better stop preaching that stealing is a sin, because we don’t want to scare away shoplifters and their families who might get offended.”

At least "Thou shall not steal" made the top ten list. Can't say the same about "Thou shall not commit homosexuality." I'm not saying that homosexuality isn't a sin, rather, many of us seem obsessed with a sin that God didn't seem to think is important enough to include in the top ten like the stuff about killing, stealing, committing adultery, false idols, and keeping the Sabbath Holy, etc.

36 posted on 11/06/2013 8:56:33 AM PST by Labyrinthos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd
HuffPo Live host Josh Zepps quoted from Osteen’s new book: “It doesn’t matter who likes you or who doesn’t like you, all that matters is God likes you. He accepts you, he approves of you.”

"Thus says the Lord of hosts,
'Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you.
They are leading you into futility;
They speak a vision of their own imagination,
Not from the mouth of the Lord.

'They keep saying to those who despise Me,
‘The Lord has said, “You will have peace”’;
And as for everyone who walks in the stubbornness of his own heart,
They say, ‘Calamity will not come upon you.’"
--Jer 23:16 - 17

37 posted on 11/06/2013 9:01:24 AM PST by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd


Buddy Jesus approves of his lukewarm pabulum of a non-answer.
38 posted on 11/06/2013 9:04:08 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TheThirdRuffian
I don’t know of a Church (Catholic, Protestant, or other) that disagrees with this, except the Westboro Baptists.

God only approves of those who have faith in Jesus Christ. Only the faithful receive the imputation of the righteousness of Jesus Christ. The rest are under the wrath of God, objects of His holy and righteous displeasure:

"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him"
John 3:36

39 posted on 11/06/2013 9:05:06 AM PST by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock
Osteen also discussed Pope Francis during the Huffington Post interview, saying he appreciates the pontiff’s inclusive nature. “I think the pope is fantastic, his tone, his humility,” he said. “We may not agree 100 percent on doctrine and theology, but the Catholic Church, our church, it’s open for everybody. I like his tone, not pushing people away.”

Related threads:
Recent FR threads on the Pope and Homosexuality
Joel Olsteen Joins With Catholics To Convert Confused Protestants

As WND reported, Osteen was once the victim of an elaborate hoax that suggested he was quitting his church and abandoning his faith. Osteen was in fact not quitting, despite several phony websites, news stories and even a YouTube video declaring otherwise.

What's this? Someone out-satire-d me?
Joel Osteen Heresy Gauge


40 posted on 11/06/2013 9:05:17 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: MrB
"Remember the target - the left seeks to destroy the family and replace it with the State."

If by this you mean the "target" of Lucifer, I would agree. This is a much bigger war than just the Dems vs America.

41 posted on 11/06/2013 9:05:50 AM PST by Dutchboy88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock
Thanks for the ping
OH look-there's a curtain...

Come out, come out wherever you are
And meet the young lady who fell from a star
She fell from the sky, she fell very far...

And Kansas she says is the name of the star.

Kansas she says is the name of the star.

She brings you good news, or haven't you heard
When she fell out of Kansas a miracle occurred!

It really was no miracle.
What happened was just this...

The wind began to switch-the house to pitch
And suddenly the hinges started to unhitch

Just then the witch, to satisfy an itch
Went flying on her broomstick thumbing for a hitch

And oh what happened then was rich...
42 posted on 11/06/2013 9:06:44 AM PST by novemberslady
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Olog-hai; Buckeye McFrog
Those words don’t appear in the Bible, though.

The Bible does tell us to love our neighbor (Mark 12:31) and to hate evil (Ps 97:10).

Osteen's statement is as ambiguous as everything else he says (Rev. 3:16).

43 posted on 11/06/2013 9:09:03 AM PST by wideawake
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Labyrinthos
Your first mistake might be in comparing the Decalogue to a "top ten list."
44 posted on 11/06/2013 9:12:43 AM PST by wideawake
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd
I am stunned and surprised he said this said no one ever.

I always knew that was probably what he thought. What puzzles me is what anyone gets from such a vacuous "spiritual leader". He's so concerned about not offending anyone that I fail to see what he brings to the table aside from his snake-oil salesman smile.

45 posted on 11/06/2013 9:13:44 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kara37

ROFL That is what I thought myself when I read the heading. I thought WOW ROFL


46 posted on 11/06/2013 9:14:08 AM PST by Patriot Babe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: wideawake

Your first mistake is not having a sense of humor.


47 posted on 11/06/2013 9:14:46 AM PST by Labyrinthos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: fwdude
Then what did Jesus die for? For the fun of it?

were they all wearing leather gimp suits at the crucifixion?

If not, then the answer is no. Not for the fun of it.

48 posted on 11/06/2013 9:14:49 AM PST by GeronL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Vigilanteman

bump


49 posted on 11/06/2013 9:15:04 AM PST by GeronL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: kara37
I thought the headline said that he was coming out as gay.

Not yet

I bet he is a Justin Beiber fan though

50 posted on 11/06/2013 9:15:54 AM PST by GeronL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-92 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson