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Vanity: Looking for a good all purpose hunting rifle for Christmas
Me | 11/6/13 | Me

Posted on 11/06/2013 12:31:49 PM PST by bigtoona

I know this will get a lot of replies but go for it. I just want to get some opinions on the different rifles out there to help me decide.

I grew up in PA until I was 11 so I never got to actually hunt with my brother and dad so I'm not super educated about all of the rifles out there.

I have pistols, shotguns and a couple of .22 rifles but now I would like to get a decent rifle for deer in case I get an opportunity to go hunting with a friend. Nothing too fancy or massively powerful, just good quality and dependable. Thanks all!


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1 posted on 11/06/2013 12:31:49 PM PST by bigtoona
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To: bigtoona

Any decent quality bolt action in .308 would be fine.


2 posted on 11/06/2013 12:34:10 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: bigtoona
The trigger on my Winchester Model 70 Featherweight (30-06) is the best I've ever had.

And, I love the curve in the forend:

Everyone will have their favorites. Most are excellent.

3 posted on 11/06/2013 12:36:15 PM PST by Uncle Miltie ( "I was all for Obamacare, until I found out I was paying for it." - California Girl)
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To: bigtoona

What kind of game? Whitetail deer I’m guessing?

Hard to go wrong with a lever action 30-30. Or as first reply stated .308 bolt gun from Ruger/Savage for cheaper or Remington/Winchester for more.


4 posted on 11/06/2013 12:36:18 PM PST by FreetheMarkets
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To: bigtoona

It would help to say what area, type of terrain.

For example, in Ohio, it is not legal to hunt deer with a rifle.


5 posted on 11/06/2013 12:36:23 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: bigtoona

Any quality .308 (or 7.62 x 51, if you prefer).

Lately I’ve hunted with a FN FNAR, which is technically a 20 round sniper rifle -— basically a hunting rifle converted for military use.

I like it because of its mixed ability to both hunt and snipe, if need be.


6 posted on 11/06/2013 12:36:38 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: bigtoona

Points to consider:

You’ll be hiking with it - consider the weight, though a heavier rifle magnifies your mistakes less...

You’ll only get one shot at a time...


7 posted on 11/06/2013 12:37:31 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: bigtoona

Savage has the best rifles for an affordable price IMO. Their accutrigger is very nice.


8 posted on 11/06/2013 12:38:13 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: bigtoona

2 Rifles and 1 Shot Gun that you should obtain:
1. A Good Quality 30-06(Savage, Winchester, Remington etc)
2. A Good Quality .22 Long Rifle(Ruger® 10/22)
3. A Good Quality Pump Shot Gun 12 Guage(Mossburg 500, Remington Wingmaster)


9 posted on 11/06/2013 12:38:34 PM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Hard to go wrong with a Winchester Model 94 30-30. Light weight and packs a very good punch, but I suppose it depends on where you live and what you’re hunting.


10 posted on 11/06/2013 12:41:28 PM PST by ssapro (SSAPRO/ EXBP)
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To: Farmer Dean

I don’t know much about rifles but I’m inheriting a 30/30 and was wondering how that compared to a .308. I have an AR 15 lower receiver coming and can’t wait to build something with it. While I’ve never shot an AR, how does that compare to a 30/30 in stopping power?


11 posted on 11/06/2013 12:42:23 PM PST by scripter
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To: bigtoona

H&r handi rifle in .357 Magnum. An excellent rifle.


12 posted on 11/06/2013 12:45:00 PM PST by buffaloguy
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To: bigtoona

Ruger M77 or Win Model 70 in .243, .257 Roberts, .25-06, .270, .308, .30-06. All these calibers are sufficient for any small to medium size North American game and ammo is abundant.


13 posted on 11/06/2013 12:47:59 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: bigtoona

SKS carbine. About 300 bucks. Shoots Russian 7.62. Rugged design and can be used as an effective self defense weapon.


14 posted on 11/06/2013 12:48:15 PM PST by Fee
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To: TheThirdRuffian
good looking rifle..smooth firing? ;-)

15 posted on 11/06/2013 12:49:54 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: scripter

What are you planning on stopping?


16 posted on 11/06/2013 12:50:18 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: scripter

Put a set of peep sights on that 30-30 and use it.


17 posted on 11/06/2013 12:50:29 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: bigtoona; MeganC

If you want quality go with Henry rifles they are the finest guns I have ever shot.


18 posted on 11/06/2013 12:50:30 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: bigtoona

It all depends on the size and variety of Christmas you are hunting.


19 posted on 11/06/2013 12:50:43 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: scripter

The .30-.30 is less potent than a .308 but not by much. The benefit comes in the flatter trajectory. The .30-.30 has more drop down range.

Comparison of 5.56 and .308 ballistics:

Cartridge Model Cartridge size Cartridge weight Bullet weight Velocity Energy
5.56mm NATO M855[55] 5.56×45mm 12.31 g (190 gr) 4.02 g (62 gr) 945.5 m/s (3,100 ft/s)[56] 1,797 J[57]
7.62mm NATO M80[58] 7.62×51mm 25.40 g (392 gr) 9.33 g (147 gr) 838.0 m/s (2,749 ft/s)[58] 3,275 J


20 posted on 11/06/2013 12:51:27 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Farmer Dean

Remington, Winchester or Savage in .308, 30-06 or .270. Can’t go wrong


21 posted on 11/06/2013 12:51:37 PM PST by cork (Remember Bengazi!)
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To: scripter

In answer to the original question, it’s hard to go to far wrong with a Savage in .308
“I’m inheriting a 30/30 and was wondering how that compared to a .308”
A 30/30 is less powerfull than a .308. Roughly the same bullet, fired at a lower velocity.
“While I’ve never shot an AR, how does that compare to a 30/30 in stopping power?”
An AR can be built in a lot of calibers. .300 AAC is roughly equivalent to 30/30 in stopping power


22 posted on 11/06/2013 12:52:21 PM PST by thorvaldr
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To: bigtoona

If you have a range that rents firearms in your area, take an afternoon and go shoot. You need a firearm that fits you, not one based on various posts here.

For example, instead of a .223, I would recommend a .308 or .300 Blackout. More stopping power. An AR has a synthetic stock making the rifle much lighter. The stock bolt-action 30-06 kicks like a mule as there is no gas recovery system to absorb the recoil.

However, the main point is how the rifle fits you. Do you feel at ease with it? Can you hit your target with it without having problems holding the rifle for the extended period waiting for your target to clear some brush? Availability of ammo, ability to add scopes, etc, all are individual items.

Now, if you have money to burn, there’s a company in Austin that sells a rifle with electronic sighting system that analyzes air pressure, wind, humidity, etc, and will automatically track a target at up to 10 mph. It is a click and shoot, and is 100% accurate to 850 yards. However, starting price is $22,500 and there’s a 3 month wait.

So, go shoot and have fun making your decision.


23 posted on 11/06/2013 12:52:56 PM PST by rstrahan
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To: mad_as_he$$

I’m thinking of stopping anything as far away as possible. I don’t know the range of a 30/30 nor an AR.


24 posted on 11/06/2013 12:52:57 PM PST by scripter
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To: cork
Remington, Winchester or Savage in .308, 30-06 or .270. Can’t go wrong

Don't dismiss or neglect Ruger.

25 posted on 11/06/2013 12:54:18 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: scripter
While I’ve never shot an AR, how does that compare to a 30/30 in stopping power?

I used to own both, before that terrible boating accident...

What are you planning to stop?

26 posted on 11/06/2013 12:54:39 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: scripter

Better:

Cartridge Bullet weight Velocity (muzzle) Energy (muzzle)
5.56 62 gr 3,100 fps 1,797 J
.308 147 gr 2,749 fps 3,275 J


27 posted on 11/06/2013 12:55:29 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: bigtoona

if in woods shots under 100 yards a good 44 mag in a lever or automatic is great light short and deadly

if you want a bit more a 45-70 in a lever or single shot again light and not bad recoil with a 325 grain hornady leverevolution round I have never had one go over 15 feet its like hitting them with a bowling ball


28 posted on 11/06/2013 12:55:39 PM PST by mouser (Run the rats out its the only chance we have)
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To: Elderberry

Thanks. The 30/30 rifle is missing a magazine so I’d like to find one and try it out. All my dads guns were made in 1950 to 1965 and some I’m told not to shoot but sell to a collector, so I may do that as long as I can get something better.


29 posted on 11/06/2013 12:56:41 PM PST by scripter
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To: bigtoona
All purpose?

Remington 870 shotgun

30 posted on 11/06/2013 12:58:02 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Thank you! I need to stare at that for awhile and soak it in.


31 posted on 11/06/2013 12:58:22 PM PST by scripter
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To: scripter
I’m thinking of stopping anything as far away as possible

OK, how far is possible FOR YOU to shoot a 2.5" group?

My AR-15 and my Marlin 336 both shoot farther than I can consistently hit. YMMV.

32 posted on 11/06/2013 12:58:29 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: scripter
Anything. At any range...


33 posted on 11/06/2013 12:59:14 PM PST by antidisestablishment (Islam delenda est)
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To: thorvaldr

Thank you. I heard ARs can be widely configured but I did not know that included caliber as well. Very interesting.


34 posted on 11/06/2013 12:59:40 PM PST by scripter
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To: Jim Noble
Damn boating accidents! I'm keeping my boat just in case. :-)

What are you planning to stop?

Anything, and the further away the better.

35 posted on 11/06/2013 1:01:43 PM PST by scripter
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To: KC_Lion

I have been looking at the Henry rifles too, they are nice


36 posted on 11/06/2013 1:02:55 PM PST by bigtoona
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To: Jim Noble
Good to know. Thanks.

FWIW, I'm also inheriting a .44 magnum. The rounds look like it will really kick! I love my .357 but that .44 looks like it might hurt.

37 posted on 11/06/2013 1:03:49 PM PST by scripter
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To: Uncle Miltie

That would be my choice as well. A rack-grade Win70 in ‘06.

Second choice, rack-grade Win70 in .270 Winchester, especially if one is in the western US.

Simple, easily supported recommendations.

I’d also stick with either a 4X or 6X fixed power scope.


38 posted on 11/06/2013 1:05:29 PM PST by NVDave
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

You will shoot your eye out.


39 posted on 11/06/2013 1:05:31 PM PST by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not just selectively for Democrats.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; bigtoona
Savage has the best rifles for an affordable price IMO.

I'll second that. And 30.06 is cheap and versatile.

40 posted on 11/06/2013 1:05:32 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: bigtoona

Youll shoot your eye out, kid.

41 posted on 11/06/2013 1:05:53 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: bigtoona

Tough, open-ended inquiry. Been hunting and been in guns my whole life. Any decent caliber fron .243 to .338 winchester will be fine (depending on your sensitivity to recoil.) For entry level accurate bolt actions I like Ruger american, Stevens 200, Marlin xl7, weatherby vanguard, Remington 780. For a step up consider a Remington 700, Ruger 77, Tikka, Browning, or winchester 70. More important than the gun is the scope. I personally prefer Leupold VXII in 3x9. You really can’t go wrong with the rich selection of bolt action guns and calibers available. If ammo availability is an option go with .243, .270, 7mm mag, 30-06. .308


42 posted on 11/06/2013 1:06:06 PM PST by 2nd Amendment (Proud member of the 48% . . giver not a taker)
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To: MileHi
And 30.06 is cheap and versatile.

Versatile yes, but cheap? Compared to what?

43 posted on 11/06/2013 1:09:07 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: skinkinthegrass

“good looking rifle..smooth firing? ;-) “

Absurdly so. .1 inch travel, 4lb pull Very consistent.

Sub 1 MOA

1http://www.tactical-life.com/magazines/guns-and-weapons/fn-fnar-308/


44 posted on 11/06/2013 1:09:07 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: bigtoona

I gunsmith for a living. Really don’t have a dog in this hunt. I do have long experience in their mechanical operations and an intimate understanding of their propensity towards malfunction.
My experiences have prompted me, when asked, to recommend the Remington 700. Hands down the most dependable. Without a doubt has the most after market upgrade and conversion parts. Support from the company is 2nd to none.
Cartridge suggestions: .243, .308, .270 or .30-06.


45 posted on 11/06/2013 1:09:36 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: bigtoona

A few suggestions about deer hunting.

Like with driving, it’s not just in your ability to drive, but to drive “defensively”, to avoid the bad drivers. The good, serious hunters offset their hunting season and territory from the official and popular one, to avoid problems created by the surfeit of novice and occasional hunters.

This doesn’t mean just avoiding their shooting at you. It also means not having your game scared away by their noise and movement, not having to rescue them from minor and serious injuries (from blisters on up), and accidents. And not having to mess around as much with LEOs keeping a watch over it all, looking for licenses and poachers.

Importantly, if you’re using a map, know what brown lines mean, especially when a bunch of them are clustered together in approximate parallel lines. Use a knotted rope to know just about how far it’s going to be to get that deer carcass back to your vehicle.


46 posted on 11/06/2013 1:11:02 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: scripter
Neither is a good choice for over 300 yards. I won't own a 30-30 but that is me. I live in open range country and often have to take shots further than 200 yards.

If you really want to reach out go with one of the ultramags. If you want common ammo go 308.

47 posted on 11/06/2013 1:13:28 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: bigtoona

Savage .243 bolt action.


48 posted on 11/06/2013 1:15:18 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: bigtoona

Don’t hunt Christians! What’s wrong with you?


49 posted on 11/06/2013 1:16:46 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: 2nd Amendment

oh yeh. . oops! Don’t forget Savage 110. Probably the most accurate off the shelf modest priced bolt ever made!


50 posted on 11/06/2013 1:16:50 PM PST by 2nd Amendment (Proud member of the 48% . . giver not a taker)
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