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Typhoon Haiyan makes Sandy, Katrina look like weak cousins
Los Angeles Times ^ | 11/08/2013 | Michael Muskal

Posted on 11/08/2013 1:02:51 PM PST by SeekAndFind

What may be the fiercest typhoon in recorded history smashed into the Philippines early Friday morning, carrying winds that make Superstorm Sandy look like a weak relative. Even Hurricane Katrina, the modern measure of nature’s disastrous force on the United States, pales when compared to the punch and expected devastation from Typhoon Haiyan.

According to the latest report, Haiyan, also known as Yolanda in the Philippines, was packing winds in excess of 200 mph as it homed in on the island nation in the western Pacific Ocean. The U.S. Navy's Joint Typhoon Warning Center said maximum sustained winds in the Category 5 storm were 195 mph with gusts to 235 mph.

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TOPICS: Weather
KEYWORDS: haiyan; philippines; storm; typhoon

1 posted on 11/08/2013 1:02:51 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

But will the dems be able to blame it on Bush?


2 posted on 11/08/2013 1:04:48 PM PST by Washi
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To: SeekAndFind

Good heavens! I hope most got out before it hit.


3 posted on 11/08/2013 1:06:38 PM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Washi

Where is Bush? Not vacationing in the Philippines, I hope.


4 posted on 11/08/2013 1:07:25 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Washi

Last I heard there were 4 dead. Not that I want more, but that’s all for ‘the worst storm ever’ the media have hyped?


5 posted on 11/08/2013 1:07:54 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: TurboZamboni

I heard 56.

They haven’t even begun to assess damage yet, let alone come up with a body count.


6 posted on 11/08/2013 1:09:13 PM PST by Raebie (WS)
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To: SeekAndFind

“carrying winds that make Superstorm Sandy look like a weak relative.”

Well yeah, Sandy was a “post tropical cyclone” with 80 mph winds when it hit the USA coast. It IS a weak relative.

We all call it s Superstorm because we learned that stuff built on sand near the coast since the Hurricane of 1938 does not stand up to a storm surge, and it was very costly.


7 posted on 11/08/2013 1:09:45 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Washi

Like I posted before, we have a branch in the RP. They get hit by typhoons and super typhoons like crazy, and they make Katrina and Sandy look like a spring rain.

The difference is that unlike limp-wristed Americans, even they know thousands will die, they simply re-build...and they don’t need no effing’ “benefit concert’ to help them out.


8 posted on 11/08/2013 1:11:18 PM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: TurboZamboni

You can’t go out during a Hurricane and collect the dead. It is almost certain that the actual number of dead will be in the hundreds, if not thousands.


9 posted on 11/08/2013 1:11:56 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: SeekAndFind

Might be indelicate to mention this first, but that’s one fierce anchor chick they’ve got...
I pray for the people of the Phillipines..get them through this with as little harm to the populace as possible.


10 posted on 11/08/2013 1:12:09 PM PST by pallmallman (Q)
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To: SeekAndFind

how is al gore gonna explain the recent super storm in south dakota with 5 feet of snow, then explain this typhoon? you can’t have it both ways.


11 posted on 11/08/2013 1:12:11 PM PST by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: max americana

Amen,...they’re stronger people.


12 posted on 11/08/2013 1:13:34 PM PST by pallmallman (Q)
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To: SeekAndFind
Typhoons, hurricanes, storms: they've been around since the beginning of earth.

Haiyan isn't going to end the earth. None of the hurricanes do. It will simply DRENCH the Philippines. The Philippines can handle it, like they've handled the zillions of previous hurricanes.

Don't you think?

13 posted on 11/08/2013 1:13:44 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Jonty30

And these are islands. Some of the dead may never be found. The surge was huge in some areas.


14 posted on 11/08/2013 1:16:39 PM PST by Raebie (WS)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m going to stick my neck out here and declare that these storms are the result of global warming. Then I’m going to say it again and again and again until you believe me.


15 posted on 11/08/2013 1:20:03 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: TurboZamboni
but that’s all for ‘the worst storm ever’ the media have hyped?

NOTHING out hyped the SHUTNADO.


16 posted on 11/08/2013 1:23:31 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: TurboZamboni

There are over 7,000 islands in the Philippines, of which around 2,000 are inhabited. Many are now completely cut off from outside communication. It’ll be a long time if ever before we know the full scope of the damage.


17 posted on 11/08/2013 1:26:20 PM PST by Hugin
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To: SeekAndFind
What may be the fiercest typhoon in recorded history

What is the criteria for recorded history? Some facts would be nice. Like a time line.

18 posted on 11/08/2013 1:29:09 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Cruz_West_Paul2016
"how is al gore gonna explain the recent super storm in south dakota with 5 feet of snow, then explain this typhoon? you can’t have it both ways."

Al Gore will blame it on Global Cooling. You must have cooling before you have Global Warming. The Global Warming can now be blamed on Global Cooling. But Global Cooling has been Blamed on Global Warming by Al Gore. So man-made Global Warming is causing man-made Global Cooling. And man-made Global Cooling is causing man-made Global Warming. And simply being born, and being alive and living a normal existence is destroying the Earth and the Earth's climate.

Ergo the human race must eliminate four fifths of its population in order to save the Earth and the Universe. Do all of you evil humans now understand why you must all die from ObamaCare?

19 posted on 11/08/2013 1:31:11 PM PST by StormEye
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To: Jonty30

You’d think they’d wait until they could do so instead of reporting “4”.

I wonder which newser will blame global warming first?


20 posted on 11/08/2013 1:32:46 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Camille hit 212mph straight winds and anemometer at Keesler AFB broke at 245. She wasn't 300 miles across but she was 150 miles across.
21 posted on 11/08/2013 1:33:26 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: SeekAndFind

My prayers go out to everyone affected... I KNOW what it is like.


22 posted on 11/08/2013 1:33:59 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Then I’m going to say it again and again and again until you believe me.

Never in a hundred, never in a thousand, never in a million years.

23 posted on 11/08/2013 1:38:49 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: TurboZamboni; Jonty30
Don't you keep up?

Climate Change is the mantra now!

24 posted on 11/08/2013 1:39:31 PM PST by WVKayaker ("Because nothing says "rugged individualism" like heavy-handed big government.../sarc" -Sarah Palin)
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To: LibLieSlayer
To: SeekAndFind Camille hit 212mph straight winds and anemometer at Keesler AFB broke at 245. She wasn't 300 miles across but she was 150 miles across.

I was at Keesler, and left there shortly before Camille hit. It was a bad one.

25 posted on 11/08/2013 1:42:26 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have family in the Philippines. We bought them a stone house on a tall hill but this storm makes me wonder if that will not be enough. :(


26 posted on 11/08/2013 1:42:52 PM PST by Wanderer99
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To: TurboZamboni
Last I heard there were 4 dead. Not that I want more, but that’s all for ‘the worst storm ever’ the media have hyped?

People in the Philippines take these storms very seriously because they have them frequently. They don't sit around waiting to blame their upcoming misery on Bush xD
27 posted on 11/08/2013 1:44:03 PM PST by Wanderer99
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To: Cruz_West_Paul2016

Depends which side of his mouth he is speaking from!!!!


28 posted on 11/08/2013 2:01:27 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (An Administration of communists, incompetents, and the corrupt ...reminds one of FDR's brain trust.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Few death reported so far. The Philippines will be up and working again before the close of the next news cycle or two..

Here this would drag on for months or years...


29 posted on 11/08/2013 3:34:05 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: Mark17

She was truly awful. Glad you got out!


30 posted on 11/08/2013 3:52:26 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Wanderer99

freeper alex w is in cebu hope he’s ok


31 posted on 11/08/2013 4:51:58 PM PST by sopwith (LIVE FREE OR DIE)
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To: CaptainK

LOTS of good info. here (meteorological forum):

http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=115958&start=1240

I tracked the thing throughout: This storm is at the very top of the list, for sure. Unbelievable satellite images; virtually a true “perfect storm” just before it hit. The so-called “ADT” (Dvorak) chart only goes to 8.0, our Navy (JTWC) pegged Haiyan for a while at 8.1.


32 posted on 11/09/2013 12:29:38 AM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: montanajoe
I'm afraid that's going to change. I pulled the following by one of the "typhoon chasers" from my wife's Facebook acct.:

First off, Tacloban City is devastated. The city is a horrid landscape of smashed buildings and completely defoliated trees, with widespread looting and unclaimed bodies decaying in the open air. The typhoon moved fast and didn't last long-- only a few hours-- but it struck the city with absolutely terrifying ferocity. At the height of the storm, as the wind rose to a scream, as windows exploded and as our solid-concrete downtown hotel trembled from the impact of flying debris, as pictures blew off the walls and as children became hysterical, a tremendous storm surge swept the entire downtown. Waterfront blocks were reduced to heaps of rubble. In our hotel, trapped first-floor guests smashed the windows of their rooms to keep from drowning and screamed for help, and we had to drop our cameras and pull them out on mattresses and physically carry the elderly and disabled to the second floor. Mark's leg was ripped open by a piece of debris and he'll require surgery. The city has no communication with the outside world. The hospitals are overflowing with the critically injured. The surrounding communities are mowed down. After a bleak night in a hot, pitch-black, trashed hotel, James, Mark, and I managed to get out of the city on a military chopper and get to Cebu via a C-130-- sitting next to corpses in body bags. Meteorologically, Super Typhoon HAIYAN was fascinating; from a human-interest standpoint, it was utterly ghastly. It's been difficult to process.

33 posted on 11/09/2013 12:33:40 AM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: SeekAndFind

34 posted on 11/09/2013 12:37:37 AM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: SeekAndFind

How many billions/trillions do they now print at the Fed to send over there to build them back. The USA will probably be the only nation that does this. All the Arab oil dollars and China will not send a Yen. Only America does this stuff. The Navy is probably sailing there now to assist. We do that you know. This un-Christian nation the Dictator calls us.


35 posted on 11/09/2013 12:39:53 AM PST by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: Paul R.
As the storm approached... Tacloban is at the NW end of that bay the eye was going into (Leyte Gulf).


36 posted on 11/09/2013 12:46:55 AM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: SeekAndFind
Katrina made Sandy look anemic. Sandy got the extra creds because it hit a liberal bastion.

After going through Katrina, I'm in absolute awe of this typhoon - it was more like a huge tornado in power (went through the one that busted up Altus AFB in the early '80s - it looped around my house). Unless folks have been through either/both, they can only guess at it and they will always guess low...

37 posted on 11/09/2013 2:41:57 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Reporters confuse the storm of hype with actual storm strength and intensity. Camille remained a hurricane well inland. i was born over a decade later and I recall that there were still pockets of unrepaired damage in coastal towns, boarded up, with “Camille was here” spraypainted on the boards. The most memorable was the high water marks from the storm surge. I don’t know why but restaurants, hotels and such actually put a line and a measurement there, well up into the second story. Seems like that would be a deterrent to tourism but they did do that.

Sandy was hyped because it hit the northeast. People had no idea what to expect, buildings were very unwisely sited and constructed and the populace is, well, much more prone to complaining. The damage was immense, the whine larger still. The storm wasn’t.

Katrina appeared to be a death blow looming for New Orleans and the Louisiana coast, a Cat 5 but it slowed considerably to a 3 and veered off. I recall because there was a live thread here into the thousands of replies. The narrative was already set, however, and the hype rolled on. New Oreleans flooded, yep. A levee broke, yep. As if that’s never happened before. Damage was far, far worse at Pass Christian, Mississippi but the narrative of poor, downtrodden minorities desperately needing money was more important to the news media.


38 posted on 11/09/2013 3:11:26 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
I have lived through every hurricane that has hit here in Mississippi since Betsy. Camille was the most severe... over a smaller area and Katrina destroyed almost everything with flood waters. My old family home was destroyed by 10 feet of water in Katrina but water never got close to that house in Camille. I hate every one of these bitches!
39 posted on 11/09/2013 4:35:38 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: trebb

“Katrina made Sandy look anemic. Sandy got the extra creds because it hit a liberal bastion.”

Yea. Ray Nagin, his voters, and the riff raff of Bourbon Street just needed to be a little more liberal, LOL.


40 posted on 11/09/2013 5:09:34 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: LibLieSlayer

I live 200 miles inland in North Carolina, so direct exposure to hurricanes in my life has been limited pretty much to Hugo and Fran. Hugo took the roof off the house I was renting at the time. Slept through it. I recall how odd the air was, you’d think it would be at least a little chilly with all that rain coming down in sheets with the wind howling, but it wasn’t, it was hot and humid like a dog’s breath.

They drive water into the oddest places, a torrent of water came into the dining room through a recessed light in the ceiling with a second story above it, before the power blinked out for good. That caused a fair amount of panic since the light was on at the time, fear of electrocution.

Fran was wind, trees felled in gigantic snags for hundreds of miles, it looked like those photos of Tunguska.


41 posted on 11/09/2013 5:33:24 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: LibLieSlayer; RegulatorCountry

Thank you for the notes on their categories. I remembered Katrina slowed down, but also wiped out a bunch east of the Mississippi. The actual Katrina damage in NO was minimal. It was the flooding and overlapping the levees that was bad.

The history revisionists are going to keep “rewriting” until every school child thinks the NO disaster was because of a direct hit by Katrina not political mismanagement of engineering funds and keeping people enslaved as welfare recipients.


42 posted on 11/09/2013 5:46:55 AM PST by ican'tbelieveit
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To: ScottfromNJ
Yea. Ray Nagin, his voters, and the riff raff of Bourbon Street just needed to be a little more liberal, LOL.

Mississippi took the real brunt of Katrina. The ocean came up between 25-30 feet in some areas and moved miles inland. Not trying to minimize what Sandy did to the NE, but if a Katrina had hit, the damage would have been magnitudes greater for a much larger area.

Nagin's Chocolate city made a lot of noise and failed to take any type proper steps - faulty levees accounted for most of the damage in NOLA because the eye of the storm was to the east and the winds over NOLA were actually helping to push the water away with the counterclockwise motion. If Katrina had hit to the west of NOLA and did it's eastward drift, NOLA would be forever changed even if the levees had held.

43 posted on 11/09/2013 5:50:19 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: TurboZamboni; Raebie

Fox News (via Drudge) is reporting over 1000 dead.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11/09/strongest-typhoon-year-hits-philippines/


44 posted on 11/09/2013 6:45:04 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ican'tbelieveit

What was bad about Katrina, what made that particular storm such a watershed moment, was the Mad Max aftermath, the realization that many if not most of us will be on our own in the event of a major societal breakdown. It wasn’t a walk in the park by any stretch and New Orleans is still recovering. But, as far as hurricanes themselves go I wouldn’t put it in the top ten destructive hurricanes on record in the United States. Some of the worst were unnamed, before naming them ever became customary.


45 posted on 11/09/2013 7:22:17 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

There is nothing good about a hurricane and yes it is a fear inducing event.


46 posted on 11/09/2013 7:29:18 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: ican'tbelieveit

Bush and the Fed performed exactly as needed in Mississippi... Louisiana caused their own problems and mary landrieu and Governor Blankbrain blanco were a large part of them!


47 posted on 11/09/2013 7:33:36 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: AlexW

Prayers for you and your family.


48 posted on 11/09/2013 8:59:09 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Paul R.
The family lives in the mountains, inland and north from Tacloban so they would have only had to deal with the winds and rains, so far only 1 of them is unaccounted for and we hope its because the cell phone tower is down.

If the death toll stays fairly low (and 1000-2000 would be considered low) things will be back to normal pretty quickly, They don't wait for outside help or help from the government because they know none will be coming.

49 posted on 11/09/2013 9:17:32 AM PST by montanajoe
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To: TurboZamboni

Many reports now say death toll will exceed 10 thousand. Is that enough for you?


50 posted on 11/09/2013 7:02:04 PM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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