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Trans fat doesn’t stir much ‘nanny state’ debate
Associated Press ^ | Nov 9, 2013 8:34 AM EST | Connie Cass

Posted on 11/09/2013 9:10:16 AM PST by Olog-hai

They are among our most personal daily decisions: what to eat or drink. Maybe what to inhale.

Now that the governmentºs banning trans fat, does that mean it’s revving up to take away our choice to consume all sorts of other unhealthy stuff? …

In the tug-of-war between public health and personal freedom, the Food and Drug Administration’s decision to ban trans fats barely rates a ripple.

Hardly anyone defends the icky-sounding artificial ingredient anymore, two decades after health activists began warning Americans that it was clogging their arteries and causing heart attacks. …

(Excerpt) Read more at hosted.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Food; Society
KEYWORDS: fda; nannystate; publicdebate; transfats
. . . or maybe the MSM is trying to squash the debate by writing articles like this. If there were no backlash in earnest, then articles like this would not be written.
1 posted on 11/09/2013 9:10:16 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The government is here to save us from ourselves. They know what’s best for us.


2 posted on 11/09/2013 9:15:48 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Olog-hai
The official US food pyramid is a joke. Positions are sold to the highest bidder. The trans-fat smoke screen is Freon all over again. Just as Dow's patent was about to run out, it magically became illegal, granting Dow the patent on its successor.

There's lots of money to be made here, and the people who stand to make it are buying the laws to give them their monopoly.

3 posted on 11/09/2013 9:20:23 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Olog-hai

When I want the feral government to tell me what I may and may not eat, I’ll so inform it; when I want the feral government to tell me what caliber I may and may nor carry, I’ll let it know that, too.


4 posted on 11/09/2013 9:22:59 AM PST by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Olog-hai

Wasn’t trans-fat a result of the FDA’s war on real fat?


5 posted on 11/09/2013 9:29:31 AM PST by Kenny
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To: Olog-hai

Is this different from tranny fat?


6 posted on 11/09/2013 9:34:23 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Olog-hai

When the food industry developed this enhanced fat, the masses flocked to it because it was in convenience foods, ever mind that common sense should have told them it wasn’t natural or good-so let them go ahead and keep shoveling it in-I wouldn’t eat the crap, but that is just me-eating natural foods enables you to truly enjoy the flavors of what you eat, especially the fresh fruits.

Processed and fast food was never on the menu when I was a kid, and that porker-making food pyramid was never considered, either-I did the same with my family as an adult. None of us who eat a natural diet are overweight, but rather on the thin side. I believe natural foods and no drugs are the best way to live, but it is a choice-let everyone have their own choice, and leave them the hell alone.


7 posted on 11/09/2013 9:38:18 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Olog-hai

JERF - Just Eat Real Food


8 posted on 11/09/2013 9:40:33 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Kenny

Sort of-think margarine being marketed as “good” versus butter and natural oils like olive being “bad”-it was all in the marketing techniques...


9 posted on 11/09/2013 9:41:28 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: KosmicKitty

Instead of seeing something like “oatmeal lowers cholesterol”, etc on labels, I’d rather see the words “this product is real food” on the packages of unprocessed stuff-much simpler and covers all the bases.


10 posted on 11/09/2013 9:46:30 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Paladin2

that’s a different thing

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3089211/posts


11 posted on 11/09/2013 9:51:37 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: headstamp 2

“They know what’s best for us.”

Not really but they do create black markets whether they
know it or not.


12 posted on 11/09/2013 9:52:34 AM PST by Slambat
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To: KosmicKitty

“JERF - Just Eat Real Food”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAFA-hamZ0


13 posted on 11/09/2013 9:54:22 AM PST by Slambat
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To: Olog-hai

You can’t get fired for being transexual... but I can be arrested for selling transfats.

What a world.


14 posted on 11/09/2013 9:54:29 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Olog-hai

I think most everyone will be hard pressed to find any trans-fat items on US grocery shelves. The Trans Fat scare from years ago made manufacturers shift their fat formulations on their products.

This Ban is just feel-good PR and meaningless.


15 posted on 11/09/2013 10:09:18 AM PST by libertarian27 (FreeRepublic Cookbooks 2011 & 2012 - Click Profile)
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To: libertarian27

Actually a fair amount of “snack” type foods contain hydrogenated oils ie. cookies, crackers, cakes etc.

Surprised me to see that Betty Crocker herbed mash potatoes contain it. Too bad I like those.

Now they’re finally beginning to realize that animal fats, coconut oil, peanut oil,butter, cheese all the things that they swore were so bad for us are far better than the “healthier substitutes.


16 posted on 11/09/2013 10:21:07 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: Texan5
I believe that natural foods and no drugs are the best way to live, but it is a choice

I detoxed starting four years ago when I accepted that even a little bit of un-natural or over-processed ingredients is too much. When I first started, it was diffuicult, because so much had sneak ingredients.

It's getting better. But as far as trans-fats? They're not food, and when they're removed, nobody notices. Saying they can't be use in food is no different from saying you can't use cyanide or petroleum, for example. Next thing I'd like to see go for the same reason is high fructose corn syrup. JMHO

17 posted on 11/09/2013 10:22:04 AM PST by grania
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To: Olog-hai

As a matter of principal, I’m against most government regulation, but clearly SOME regulation is desirable. For example, putting poison in food is something that should obviously be outlawed. And believe me, manufactured trans fat, which is a synthetic, plastic version of REAL fat is indeed a poison. Granted, it’s a SLOW poison, but it is a poison nonetheless. There’s no place for this poison in the food supply, regardless of one’s political persuasion.


18 posted on 11/09/2013 10:37:20 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Positions are sold to the highest bidder.
Yup. Ice Cream bought a spot in the 1940s. Heck, butter and magarine even got to share a food group!




19 posted on 11/09/2013 10:41:46 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: traderrob6

Most Trans Fat is gone off the shelves
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/231082811.html
Minn. firms: Most trans fats already gone, but more work remains
Article by: MIKE HUGHLETT , Star Tribune Updated: November 7, 2013 - 7:51 PM

I miss Trans-Fats, Oreos don’t taste or crunch the same and crackers nowadays just don’t hold up to peanut butter or other spreads - they just fall apart under the knife.
I miss the old Crisco too.

Many manufacturers replaced trans fats with other fake fats.
Can’t wait until they Ban those too - lol


20 posted on 11/09/2013 10:44:23 AM PST by libertarian27 (FreeRepublic Cookbooks 2011 & 2012 - Click Profile)
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To: grania

Good for you-there is even a little family grain farm and mill about 100 miles from here that sells to a little mom-and-pop health store in the next town. Have you tried baking bread from stone-ground whole grain flour, or using brown rice that has not been tampered with? I read every label, and you are right-I return about 2/3 of them to the shelf because of the hidden preservatives, and go without if I can’t find one that is free of additives like that.

Sweets at home on the ranch were the occasional pie from fresh fruit, or cookies-made from scratch, like everything else, and the sweetener on the table for your oatmeal-no cold cereal-was honey from a neighbor who kept bees-I never developed a taste for sweets-and those high fructose sweeteners are sweeter even than processed sugar-yech.


21 posted on 11/09/2013 10:47:46 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Jeez-that is even worse than the 1960 one I remember from the school cafeteria. Milk, ice cream, fat, fat, sugar, bread, cereal, potatoes, starch, more starch = empty carbs and calories and not nearly enough protein or fresh produce-might as well eat the box or package the cereal and bread came in-no wonder people are overweight from childhood.


22 posted on 11/09/2013 11:00:39 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: libertarian27

“But trans fats still exist in some products. Carefully read nutrition labels and chose brands that don’t use trans fats and are low in saturated fat in these products:

Cookies, crackers, cakes, muffins, pie crusts, pizza dough, and breads such as hamburger buns
Some stick margarine and vegetable shortening
Pre-mixed cake mixes, pancake mixes, and chocolate drink mixes
Fried foods, including donuts, French fries, chicken nuggets, and hard taco shells
Snack foods, including chips, candy, and packaged or microwave popcorn
Frozen dinners”

http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/understanding-trans-fats


23 posted on 11/09/2013 11:06:37 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: Olog-hai

If the govt really wants to prevent disease and protect health they wouldn’t promote homosexuality.


24 posted on 11/09/2013 11:09:34 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I know of no clinical study in the medical literature supporting the idea that a diet that includes trans-fats is more likely to cause you to have a heart attack. The FDA fails to meet their own standard of proof. Some diets like the Mediteranean have been shown to have some benefit in reducing heart attacks and that could mean that eating a diet with a greater proportion of unsaturated fats may be beneficial. If somone knows of good clinical information relating specifically to diets containing some trans-fats causing heart attacks, please post it.


25 posted on 11/09/2013 11:18:30 AM PST by Dayatdabeach1791 (My apology)
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To: traderrob6

All processed and convenience food-best not to buy/use processed food-more trouble to prepare it all yourself, but it is healthier and it tastes better, once you get the taste of the artificial/enhanced scrubbed from your taste receptors...


26 posted on 11/09/2013 11:20:05 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Kenny
Wasn’t trans-fat a result of the FDA’s war on real fat?

Not the FDA, the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI).

In the early 1980s, the CSPI and other food nannies activists campaigned for McD, KFC, & BK, et al, to stop using saturated fats (beef tallow for deep fryers & lard for baking) and start using the healthy alternative: vegetable oil.

Now, the vegetable oil industry knew that vegetable oils goes rancid after a few months and makes baked goods taste stale and greasy; so manufacturers used a process known since the 1920s for shortenings and margarine called 'hydrogenation'.
Hydrogenation adds a hydrogen atom to the 'trans' side (as opposed to the normal 'cis' side) of the fat chain. Thus the term 'trans-fat'.

The Oiling of America
‘Hypocrisy’ on trans fat
Regulators to Take CSPI’s New Advice, Ignore CSPI’s Old Advice
Rise and fall of trans fat: A history of partially hydrogenated oil

27 posted on 11/09/2013 11:22:01 AM PST by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: dread78645

Thanks for the explanation, wasn’t sure how we got in that hole. But it’s like eggs, first they said don’t eat them, they’re deadly but now they’re good for you.

Here’s a novel idea, why don’t these people just worry about what they’re eating and leave the rest of us alone. I think they did that once upon a time, what was it called?

Oh yeah, Democracy.


28 posted on 11/09/2013 11:29:58 AM PST by Kenny
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To: Dayatdabeach1791

The Mediterranean diet is made of yummy natural stuff-like olive oil, fish, veggies. The idiots used to think the olive oil was “bad”, but now it is good-and the French put about 1/2 pound of butter in everything they cook, and wash it down with a half bottle of wine and they aren’t obese or dropping dead prematurely, either.

I think the issue is that the trans-fats are not all natural, but enhanced is the reason they are not healthy, but I don’t eat the stuff, so it is just my take.


29 posted on 11/09/2013 11:30:42 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: dread78645

Thanks for the refresher on hydrogenation-I’d forgotten how icky it was.


30 posted on 11/09/2013 11:35:04 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Olog-hai

Obama can sign new federal tobacco laws, trans fats can suddenly be outlawed, but no interest from the libertarians, we all know what interests them.


31 posted on 11/09/2013 11:55:03 AM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: Olog-hai

The MSM always likes to pretend there is no debate on a subject, remember global warming is “settled science”.


32 posted on 11/09/2013 11:59:58 AM PST by GeronL
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To: Slambat

Well, it was real food LOL

(Soylent Green)


33 posted on 11/09/2013 12:44:58 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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