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Remarkable video from WWII Taken from the German side
kennsvideos ^

Posted on 11/10/2013 8:10:19 AM PST by virgil283

"... two videos taken from the German side during WWII. The imagery, having been colorized, is remarkable."....(This author seems to have revisionist tendencies, so this is posted for the videos only.) about 2 min. each.

(Excerpt) Read more at kennsvideos.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: germany; patbuchanan; pitchforkpat; thirdreich; videowwii
interesting film taken by nazi cameramen.
1 posted on 11/10/2013 8:10:20 AM PST by virgil283
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To: Revolting cat!
Nazi videocamera PING!


2 posted on 11/10/2013 8:17:55 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: virgil283

bump


3 posted on 11/10/2013 8:18:51 AM PST by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: virgil283
The Germans were doomed. They had the Russians approaching from the West and the British and Americans approaching from the East and South. If they retreated north, they would have gotten even colder and they would have been eventually chased all the way to the Arctic circle.

I do not understand why the Germans continued to fight post-1943 when all was lost and it was only a matter of time.

4 posted on 11/10/2013 8:21:04 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: virgil283

Colorization has come a long way.


5 posted on 11/10/2013 8:21:51 AM PST by skeeter
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To: SamAdams76
"Germans continued to fight ....don't know much but if the Germans had attacked Russia instead of France the west might have let them keep it.
6 posted on 11/10/2013 8:27:41 AM PST by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: virgil283

bump....very interesting...


7 posted on 11/10/2013 8:29:50 AM PST by Popman
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To: virgil283

I truly believe that most Americans, even educated ones, still to this day do not comprehend the ferocity of what happened on the Eastern front. These guys were doing Metal of Honor worthy actions DAILY! I mean that as respect to the men on both sides. There are books that explainn this in great detail. It’s truly shocking.


8 posted on 11/10/2013 8:35:05 AM PST by The Toll
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To: SamAdams76

The professional German officer thought little of the ill advised strategies of Hitler. He was oft spoke of as “the corporal”. To stop his attack on England to change strategy by attacking a huge nation like Russia which he had a non aggression pact with was moronic. He blew his chance to decimate the British at Dunkirk during the boat lift.

Hitler was a horrible military leader.


9 posted on 11/10/2013 8:35:29 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: virgil283

It’s terrible the harm that one truly bad man can inflict on the world. Pray for America.


10 posted on 11/10/2013 8:37:41 AM PST by Puzzleman ("Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government. " -- Edmund Burke)
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To: SamAdams76
I do not understand why the Germans continued to fight post-1943 when all was lost and it was only a matter of time.

The Germans fought on to buy time so that advanced weapons such as the V-2 Rocket and jet aircraft could be more widely used. V-1 or V-2 Rockets armed with atomic war heads would have changed the direction of the war completely and may have spelled disaster for the allies, especially Great Britain.

11 posted on 11/10/2013 8:39:55 AM PST by Wiggins
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To: SamAdams76
To quote from 'Gladiator':

Quintus: People should know when they are conquered.

Maximus: Would you, Quintus? Would I?

12 posted on 11/10/2013 8:40:21 AM PST by ExpatCanuck
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To: Puzzleman
It’s terrible the harm that one truly bad man can inflict on the world. Pray for America.

Sounds like you speak of our current regime head

13 posted on 11/10/2013 8:41:25 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: virgil283
revisionist tendencies

I'll say. Video cameras were giant, heavy, and grainy back then.

14 posted on 11/10/2013 8:42:14 AM PST by Reeses
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To: SamAdams76
I do not understand why the Germans continued to fight post-1943 when all was lost and it was only a matter of time.

Do some reading on the "Dulchstoss". It will explain everything.

15 posted on 11/10/2013 8:42:52 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Vaquero
Hitler was a horrible military leader.

Indeed. Had he let his generals dictate strategy, the Nazis would have won the war in Europe, and the Americans would have either not gotten involved or would have sued for peace with a Nazi controlled Europe to have a buffer against the Soviet Union.

16 posted on 11/10/2013 8:45:13 AM PST by ExpatCanuck
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To: Reeses
I'll say. Video cameras were giant, heavy, and grainy back then.

Yeah, and making it difficult for Hitler to do "selfies" too.

17 posted on 11/10/2013 8:49:47 AM PST by llevrok (Obama 2008 : "If you vote for me, aaaaaa, you can keep your country")
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To: virgil283

Interesting to see video taken by the enemy.

When I was back in Vietnam a few years ago, I was fascinated by war footage taken by VC and NVA cameramen that aired on TV. Glimpses of the way they saw it. Interesting indeed.


18 posted on 11/10/2013 8:51:36 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Puzzleman

Amen Puzzleman,
Our only hope is that the 25000lb space debris heading for earth will take out the white house resident muslim mongrel and coterie and the 550/75 degenerate politicos of all stripes.


19 posted on 11/10/2013 8:57:34 AM PST by late bloomer ( Neglegere homo pone aulaeum. semi-retired warlord)
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To: Vaquero

It’s terrible the harm that one truly bad man can inflict on the world. Pray for America.

Sounds like you speak of our current regime head


Obama is as Evil as Stalin or Hitler or Mao.


20 posted on 11/10/2013 9:07:14 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: virgil283

I like your point that it’s “film.” From all I’ve seen, both sides shot photographic film and there’s no indication that either used any video tape, practical video tape being an invention that was to come in the 1950s. Indeed, all of the color pictures of Kennedy and his assassination that I’ve seen are film, not video tape. Really good color video that can compete with film is only a fairly recent invention.

Turning to colorization, some of these films look like they were colorized. However, pre WWII Germany had the world’s finest photographic industry, an industry that developed and produced a great deal of practical color film before any other country’s. If you’re as fascinated by pre WWII pictures of Germany and Hitler as i am, you will come across many good movies and stills in color. Thus, I suspect that many of the really good looking clips from these two films were genuine color and not colorized.


21 posted on 11/10/2013 9:19:15 AM PST by libstripper (Asv)
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To: virgil283

Well, the poster may call it video but it is pretty obvious film footage. Some of it even looks handcranked. And some looks like old Sven Hassel footage.

Transfered to video.


22 posted on 11/10/2013 9:32:44 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: virgil283

The British considered joining the Finnish in their Winter war against Russia.


23 posted on 11/10/2013 9:41:54 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Your feelings don't trump my free speech!)
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To: libstripper

People mixing the terms video and film drives me crazy.

I’ve worked with 60s era 2 inch quadarplex machines and to get a playback with good tape stock took about 30 minutes or so including scraping the tapes, usually twice. That doesn’t count the 24 hour warmup period I did which helped immensely.

The quad needed compressed air so the air bearing that the heads were on would spin. Air was the only way that a video head system would turn fast enough.


24 posted on 11/10/2013 9:42:08 AM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: The Toll

Leon DeGralle and his group...dont know if spelling correct but.

What they did was unreal.


25 posted on 11/10/2013 9:42:41 AM PST by crz
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To: Vaquero
Hitler was a horrible military leader.

In spades. What always gets me is his decision to declare war on the US. I'm hearing that he did so in the "hope" that Japan would, in turn, attack Russia, not realizing their aims were to the south.

My own feeling, being a kid and listening to the adults at that time, was that America was SO pist at the Japs, that, had Hitler held off, there would have been a tremendous pressure on Roosevelt to take care of Japan first and to Hell with Europe.

What sticks in my mind was an incident in England where Gen. DeGaulle was giving a speech, when someone burst into the room, breathlessly exclaiming that Hitler had declared war on the US. Not missing a beat, DeGaulle said, "Then we have won the war." Mind you, these were in pretty grim backs-to-the-wall days, and the audience was stunned at the apparent lunacy of that statement. DeGaulle expanded, and said that the flood of productive capacity of America would drown the Germans.

[off topic] When I was a kid, a veteran told me he was talking with a Russian officer as overflights of aircraft were blotting out the sky, and he mentioned that they were doing the same to the Japs. The Russian was wide-eyed in wonderment of a country that could field that much equipment on two fronts.

26 posted on 11/10/2013 9:47:31 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: virgil283

At about 2:37 on the first reel it looks like that Kraut is shooting a Tommy Gun, probably a captured model.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-788-0009-08A,_Tunesien,_Fallschirmj%C3%A4ger_bei_Untersuchung_von_MP.jpg


27 posted on 11/10/2013 9:53:54 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: wally_bert

Thanks for giving your experience. I’m a retired lawyer who graduated from law school in 1967, which puts me straddling both sides of the massive technological revolution that moved us from film to video and mechanical word processing and data manipulation to electronic. You clearly were far more into the actual technological side than I was. My comments were more as an observer and lay user than someone who was actually into the daily developments. Looks like my informed layman’s observations were fairly well on target.


28 posted on 11/10/2013 10:01:14 AM PST by libstripper (Asv)
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To: libstripper

“However, pre WWII Germany had the world’s finest photographic industry,”

They were on the cutting edge of audio recording as well. They pioneered magnetic tape.


29 posted on 11/10/2013 10:28:43 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: TalBlack

The thing that surprised me about Leni Reifenstahl’s two epic movies, “Triumph of the Will” and “Olympia,” is that, even though she had Hitler’s total, enthusiastic support, she didn’t make them in color. IMHO color just makes all the difference and comes a lot closer to showing how things were.


30 posted on 11/10/2013 10:35:11 AM PST by libstripper (Asv)
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To: Dark Wing

ping


31 posted on 11/10/2013 10:48:47 AM PST by Thud (Tthis is federal criminal extortion under 18 USC 1951, and Racketeering under 18 USC 1961. All of Co)
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To: virgil283

My dad was in France during the war and he always said they should have left the Germans in France at the end of the war because they would clean it up!


32 posted on 11/10/2013 10:59:57 AM PST by Renegade
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To: Oatka; Vaquero

Hitler brought on the war, but in a sense he was our biggest asset. What a maroon!

The US public wasn’t “down” with the Germany-first policy articulated after the first meetings of FDR and Churchill, as Japan had been the aggressor. FDR’s attempt to entangle us by German sinkings of convoy ships didn’t catch hold of the American public. The Russians shifted 70 divisions out of the Far East to hurl against Operation Barbarrossa and figuratively speaking didn’t fire a shot against the Japanese until 1945.

The British laid track and set aside training areas for an eventual cross-channel invasion of France, but fought against it right up until at least May of 1944, insisting that the invasion of southern France (which did take place, after D-Day) be cancelled, D-Day further delayed, and more effort put into the Italian campaign, with a view toward an invasion of the Balkans, Greece, and the Aegean.

Throughout the wartime conferences, Marshall pointed out the US public political support for the Pacific war and the fact that the US was fighting it alone to keep up the scare on the British, letting them know that if the US forces were not being used for a cross-channel invasion (and most remained in training on US soil until early 1944) they’d be deployed against Japan. By the end of the war in Europe, only 27 percent of US forces were in the Pacific theater, but the amount of real estate was fairly small, mostly flyspeck islands, so troop density was fairly high in some of these.

After a little defense plant stint, in 1942 my uncle went to enlist, and had been tipped by friends who had already gone in that those who tried to enlist in the Navy were assigned to the Army, and vice versa. It worked, he went into the Navy by asking for Army.


33 posted on 11/10/2013 11:13:37 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Wiggins; SamAdams76

The Germans also tried to transfer a V2 to Japan, via U-boat, with a view to having them use it with their (turns out, unsuccessful) A-bomb. The port the Germans were going to use fell to the Allies while they were en route, and they were captured when they surfaced.


34 posted on 11/10/2013 11:17:49 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: ExpatCanuck

As Vaquero pointed out, when Hitler lost his nerve during the doomed British counterattack — it was made to buy time for the evacuation — he lost the opportunity to bag most of the British army in France. The British Navy would have been available, but the blow to morale, and the probable inability to defend the homeland from any German invasion, would have been a disaster for British morale. Churchill only remained as PM because literally no one else wanted the job — he was out on his ass ten weeks after victory in Europe.

And instead of the invasion of the USSR, Germany’s finishing up in North Africa would have cut off British access to Middle East oil — a blow to maintaining both the oil-burning British Navy as well as basic homefront needs — and destroyed most of what was left of the British army. That would have meant, no staging areas for an Allied return to Europe, and for the Germans, plenty of time to prepare for perhaps an eventual Barbarossa campaign.

The consequences for the Japanese would have been grim — had they gone ahead with their attacks on 12/7/41, they would have received our undivided attention, and cleaned out of the outlying islands including Okinawa perhaps two years earlier (tough to say, since US mobilization grew exponentially as it went on); invasion of the home island would have taken place, since there was no nuclear option until mid-1945.


35 posted on 11/10/2013 11:33:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: ExpatCanuck

I still think if Hitler had made it easy for the Russians to surrender, they win in a walk....All they had to do was treat Russia as they did France, and most Russians would have welcomed the Germans as liberators from Stalin.


36 posted on 11/10/2013 11:37:14 AM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The turning point in the Battle of Britain, was when in response to the Allied bombing of Berlin, Hitler turned to terror bombing of civilians, instead of strategic bombing of military targets....had he stayed the course, the Brits ability to defend from invasion probably would have been eliminated, while it was tragic in terms of the civilian toll, it gave the military some breathing space to repair their infrastructure.


37 posted on 11/10/2013 11:39:52 AM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: Oatka

>>The Russian was wide-eyed in wonderment of a country that could field that much equipment on two fronts.

While the Soviets built a lot of armor and fielded immense armies, the amount of equipment, raw materials, and food we sent them was staggering, especially since we were also supplying our own forces and considerable parts of the Free World.

Lend Lease to Russia
From Major Jordan’ Diaries
(NY: Harcourt, Brace, 1952)
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/lend.html


38 posted on 11/10/2013 11:49:45 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: SamAdams76

Sam, you might want to check a map. The Russians were coming from the east, the US and British were coming from the west.


39 posted on 11/10/2013 12:25:52 PM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: FreedomPoster

Yeah, Jordan had a TON of stuff on how we helped create the USSR’s power.

I remember one article in which he said he witnessed US currency printing plates that were shipped to them in Germany, I believe. Said the Russians were printing bucks by the cartload and using them to pay their soldiers. The Reds would put inch-thick stacks of $10 and $1 dollar bills on the table and the soldiers would walk by and pick up a stack. When Jordan remarked about the 10s and singles, the Russian officer said that some soldiers could read American words and always went for the $10 stack.

This is so off-the-wall I can hardly believe it because of the ink and paper problems, but I have read of other similar rip-offs.


40 posted on 11/10/2013 12:33:45 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Vaquero

We have a horrible military leader right now.

So what’s new?


41 posted on 11/10/2013 1:16:05 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: 353FMG

Hopefully he will end as well.,,but without the millions killed first (that is besides the millions of innocents he already is responsible for)


42 posted on 11/10/2013 2:17:12 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I recall reading the first half of an alternate history book (cannot recall the name or author now - I left the book outside by the pool and and it got blown in). In this book, America did not enter the war because Japan did not attack Pearl Harbor, and the Nazis took Europe and the Middle East as you suggested. America became an island unto itself. A dark, depressed place where energy and other resources were scarce and there was constant fear of an invasion from all directions...


43 posted on 11/10/2013 3:27:53 PM PST by ExpatCanuck
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To: dfwgator

Well, the turning point in the Battle of Britain was the launch of Barbarossa.


44 posted on 11/10/2013 3:42:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: ExpatCanuck

Books should be waterproof. :’) Mine usually get a little dip when I doze off reading in the tub.

That possible scenario was earlier expressed after a fashion in Orwell’s “1984”, but of course, in that book, the entire world was a socialist police state, divided into three spheres of influence, but for all practical purposes identical.

I don’t think the Germans could have prevailed in the east, except in the sense of a Pyrrhic Victory — 50 to 100 million dead, the USSR shattered into successor states east of the Urals, 3 to 5 million Germans dead from combat, and the Reich unable to maintain such a broad occupation, but the armed forces unable to return home due to Hitler’s stubbornness.

The Waffen SS successfully recruited from most of occupied Europe, including in the SSRs. There’s a coffeetable book around here somewhere which spends no time at all on the coffeetable (come to think of it, I don’t have one), anyway, it’s about the Waffen SS, and has personal collection photos from various surviving volunteers, including one from the Netherlands, who wrote that his favorite memories of the war are the winter firefights in the USSR. :’) The Netherlanders I’ve known around here (western Michigan) who grew up under the occupation didn’t care for it, and emigrated here after the war, but by and large the Germans weren’t that unpopular there.

The reason for that wordy previous paragraph was to set up the speculation that the victorious postwar Reich probably would have rebuilt its occupation forces out of the successful core of the Waffen SS. This is analogous to the earlier imperial period of Rome — the use of auxiliaries was formalized and standardized under Augustus (the first “real” emperor) and made up half of the Roman army. By the end of the 2nd century the regular Roman legions were a polyglot bunch who used the common tongue (Latin) but were otherwise non-Roman, and often enough non-Italian. The regular legions continued to use the Roman army methods, and the auxiliaries continued to trains for specialized tactics and weapons, but ethnically, probably little difference.

If Hitler had not been bent on fighting his fantasy-football version of a war, and stopped with the remilitarization of the Rhineland and annexation of Czechoslovakia, patience would probably have paid off handsomely. Anschluss with Austria and the occupation of Czechoslovakia created a huge contiguous Germanic state with frontiers with most of the other nations in Europe. The prewar German economic recovery was based on swapping consumer goods for the raw materials, a deal that Latin American countries jumped on. It was feasible because the German Mark was toilet paper in the 1920s and 1930s.

The Poles would have had more common interests with the Germans and Poland would have made a very nice ally against and buffer state along the USSR. Of course, Hitler’s other agenda was the Holocaust; after the war one of the SS Nazis who was (I think) later hanged stated that Himmler had told him that “Polish Jewry was the genetic powerhouse of European Jewry,” and that furthermore, “with the exception of the Jews liberated in the camps, every single Polish Jewish individual was exterminated.” What a creepy bunch of assholes they were.


45 posted on 11/10/2013 6:57:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: dfwgator

yeah, but there was that thing about the Slavic peoples being uentermensch...once they caught onto that agenda, Germans were no more the liberators.


46 posted on 11/10/2013 11:12:56 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: SunkenCiv

That is an interesting story


47 posted on 11/10/2013 11:31:50 PM PST by GeronL
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To: dfwgator

Hitler was a godless as*hole. You are right on what you are saying. The people in the Ukraine greeted the wehrmacht soldiers als liberators first. This changed quickly of course since the Einsatzgruppen of the SS and the SD left mountains of dead civilians.

Being evil never pays out.


48 posted on 11/22/2013 7:45:28 AM PST by European Guest (De omnibus dubitandum)
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To: SamAdams76

You said: “I do not understand why the Germans continued to fight post-1943 when all was lost and it was only a matter of time.”

The answer is easy: Leaving Germany to the red hordes was never a alternative to most German soldiers.

Most of them were simply involved into a war they never wanted. Nevertheless they were patriots and defended they country. Most of them were uneducated. Therefore they believed to fight for something good and holy.

The Holocaust was a strictly kept secret of the SS. A Example: Although my grandfather was a officer of the Luftwaffe (air force) back then, it took him until early 1945 to find out the bitter truth.

There is something that can be learned from the German tragedy: Never trust politicans.


49 posted on 11/22/2013 7:57:06 AM PST by European Guest (De omnibus dubitandum)
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To: European Guest
The people in the Ukraine greeted the wehrmacht soldiers als liberators first. This changed quickly of course since the Einsatzgruppen of the SS and the SD left mountains of dead civilians.

After Stalin purged the Kulaks, the Nazis appeared to be the lesser evil.

Greater, lesser, still evil.

50 posted on 11/22/2013 8:07:51 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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