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Looking for semi-auto CO2 bb Rifle for my son for Christmas
Vanity | Nov 10, 2013 | kevmo

Posted on 11/10/2013 10:01:34 PM PST by Kevmo

I'm looking for a semi-auto CO2 powered bbgun for my son. We intend to replace the stock with a wooden one that he'll make in his woodshop class.

This is an intersection of several projects. It needs to be semi-auto with as many rounds as possible available.

We will be installing a TV remote motion sensing target system for critters in the back yard and... because... it's a fun project. But that precludes pump action, needs to be CO2 powered.

It needs to be a long barrel rifle because of accuracy and also the mechanism for clampdown requires a long, steel barrel. I'm impressed with how many semi-auto CO2 bb Pistols there are, but they won't work with our planned clamp-down & accuracy issues.

http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Repeat-Semi-Automatic-Pellet-Rifle/product-reviews/B00GGO2E4E/ref=cm_cr_pr_btm_link_next_8?ie=UTF8&pageNumber=8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=byRankDescending

The Crossman 1077 is pretty close, especially for the price. But it shoots only pellets. Isn't there a similar item that shoots bb's? This device seems to have manufacturing problems, judging on the reviews at Amazon & other vendors. Any way around this? Our projects will likely end up with the device sitting around for a week at a time, hoping that the CO2 charge is still there for us. That appears to be an issue with the 1077.

It would seem that the 1077 is the only device in the price range of ~$100 for Xmas.

Is there a bigger capacity magazine available?

I know, I know.... cue the kid from Christmas Story who wanted a Red Rider bb gun: "You'll shoot your eye out, kid."


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1 posted on 11/10/2013 10:01:34 PM PST by Kevmo
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To: Kevmo

BB = inaccurate.

If you are series, ought to look at one of the high pressure air pellet repeaters like the Marauder or Hatsan 44.


2 posted on 11/10/2013 10:08:40 PM PST by doorgunner69
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3 posted on 11/10/2013 10:10:57 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

Why do you wanna do that? He’ll shoot his eye out.


4 posted on 11/10/2013 10:17:00 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Kevmo

Kind of hard to find something for under $100.
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Winchester_M14_CO2_Air_Rifle/2719


5 posted on 11/10/2013 10:19:24 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Tis the season.

6 posted on 11/10/2013 10:20:25 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
Agree with post #2: BB = good for balloon popping and not much else. Pellets get you much more accuracy but you are not going to make any long-distance accuracy shots with what you are asking for.

Best bet: paintball gun. For BB's and .177 cal pellets Crosman is a much much better choice, and .22 works even better. For a repeater, forget it. Daisy is junk, but for accuracy practice, look for foreign manufacturors for the best choice. A name like Feinwerkerbaugh among others (breakbarrel / spring) were much spoken of in years past, and Sherman Arms was no slouch either. Not certain what is out there now, but your request as it stands is a pipe dream.

7 posted on 11/10/2013 10:22:47 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer

Agree with post #2: BB = good for balloon popping and not much else.
***BB’s are easier to handle in a mechanized reloading system.


8 posted on 11/10/2013 11:27:21 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo
"It needs to be a long barrel rifle because of accuracy and also the mechanism for clampdown requires a long"... "barrel."

BB's and accuracy do not work together. There was a reason we progressed from a Minie Ball projectile to todays cylindrical slug travelling down a rifled barrel for greater range and accuracy.

Repeating BB-spouters are not going to win any accuracy awards.

9 posted on 11/10/2013 11:34:25 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Kevmo

Does it need to have a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time?


10 posted on 11/10/2013 11:42:08 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: Utilizer

Repeating BB-spouters are not going to win any accuracy awards.
***But if the BB spouter keeps shooting when the Pellet gun has jammed, that makes the case for more ordinance on target. Looking at the projects we’ll be working on, I would say that reliability trumps accuracy... for these projects. At least for now. I like that the Winchester M14 has a higher capacity magazine and shoots both bb’s and pellets.

It does seem that paint pellet guns have really progressed over the last few years. But I haven’t heard of anyone posting off critters with paintball guns.


11 posted on 11/10/2013 11:42:15 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo
But if the BB spouter keeps shooting when the Pellet gun has jammed, that makes the case for more ordinance on target.

While quantity has a quality all its own, there comes a point of diminishing returns. Roughly 387 shots fired for 6 hits, only one of which is fatal, might get the result of downing your target... eventually... but is not what most would consider an optimal choice all things considered. There is a reason why the adage "One Shot, One Kill" is so revered as a standard.

Plus, sooner or later you run out of "ordinance" with that strategy.

It does seem that paint pellet guns have really progressed over the last few years. But I haven’t heard of anyone posting off critters with paintball guns.

You need to think outside the box a bit more.

Pellets of .177, .22, and even .20 (a la Sheridon fame), .25, .30, and .32 are but a few examples of what is possible. There are indeed projectile-throwers of greater than .177 out there that have been refined over the decades into truly impressive weapons. However, if your primary objective is simply to put lots of BB's into a mass-produced printed telephone directory then you really need to rethink your requirements.

I base things from the point of getting a shot into the target as accurately as possible, since I will probably be shooting from a large distance, to get the prey into the cookpot. Plus, more projectiles used equals more expenditure per round discharged. Not a very effective way to manage limited resources.

A repeating BB-hose however, will pop you lots of balloons, so YMMV.

12 posted on 11/11/2013 12:08:06 AM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Kevmo

You’d be much better off with a spring-piston pellet gun. Power and accuracy will be much higher, and with a single-shot you learn to make every shot count.


13 posted on 11/11/2013 12:38:07 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Kevmo
"We will be installing a TV remote motion sensing target system for critters in the back yard and... because... it's a fun project. But that precludes pump action, needs to be CO2 powered. "

This seems to be a rather not well thought out project to put it mildly. What happens when the neighbors cat or kid wanders in? What are the goals of this project? Getting rid of pests? If so there are much better ways. No matter how well designed your Rube-Goldberg would be you could never guarantee a clean kill. I would hate to have an animal only wounded by your contraption. That's not humane.

14 posted on 11/11/2013 12:58:11 AM PST by fulltlt
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To: fulltlt
This seems to be a rather not well thought out project to put it mildly.

Replace the words "critters in the back yard" with, "illegal Measles-infected Mexicans turning my pecan grove into a rape tree forest", and this concept becomes more and more well "thought out".

15 posted on 11/11/2013 2:44:02 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: Kevmo

Blah, blah, blah. The kid wants a BB gun, get him a BB gun:

http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/

Crosman, Daisy, Baikal... whatever. Many under a hundred bucks.


16 posted on 11/11/2013 3:37:24 AM PST by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Kevmo
I never had a BB gun. My dad bought me a Crossman .22 Co2 pellet gun. I LOVED THAT THING and it was wicked accurate. They've changed the look only a tiny bit. It was a beautiful weapon.

Crossman rifles (Co2)

17 posted on 11/11/2013 4:08:53 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Jack Hammer
Blah, blah, blah. The kid wants a BB gun, get him a BB gun:

If he's old enough to have researched it, yes, then he wants a pellet gun. I didn't know what I wanted and Dad knew best. The pellet gun was so accurate one of my clear childhood memories was a friend challenging me to shoot the end of a twig off at a distance and I got it. He responded "WOW - I WANT TO TRY IT!" Great fun...

18 posted on 11/11/2013 4:11:51 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob

The kid wants a BB gun, get him a BB gun.


19 posted on 11/11/2013 4:26:43 AM PST by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Kevmo
This is an intersection of several projects. It needs to be semi-auto with as many rounds as possible available.

Sounds like it will be easy to go through a lot of CO2 cartridges quick. I must be old because I prefer having to cock a BB/pellet gun between shots.

Let us know what you end up with and any insights that come from the project.

20 posted on 11/11/2013 5:17:21 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Kevmo

I’ve got a 1077, and it is not fun to shoot. I bought it b/c it was semi-auto, but the trigger pull is so bad, that it’s not fun to shoot.

You can’t leave a CO2 cartridge in it, or it will start leaking.

And yes, it’s only pellets. It was ok as far as accuracy, and the price was great. ~60 on Amazon.


21 posted on 11/11/2013 7:43:00 AM PST by Cheeks (http://appleseedinfo.org/)
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To: Kevmo

You should go full-auto for the BBs and single shot for the pellets.

Do you want him to learn to shoot accurately?


22 posted on 11/11/2013 7:53:00 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Cheeks
...the trigger pull is so bad, that it’s not fun to shoot. You can’t leave a CO2 cartridge in it, or it will start leaking.

Both of those problems are really minor, all things considered. I started with a Crosman pump air rifle and with some minimal mechanical effort those can easily be rectified. Some dissassembly required, however.

First, remove the CO2 cartridge. The receiver can be opened up by removing the three screws holding the two pieces in place.

Trigger pull is caused by the single spring that the metal lever (trigger) compresses. Replace the spring with a more useful one. If you have an old ballpoint pen handy get that one out of the pen and modify it with a pair of needlenose pliers as required even.

The leaking CO2 cartridge is caused by a tiny O-ring in the seating area. This can be carefully removed with some tweezers and then re-seated with some silicone grease for better sealing. As long as the O-ring is not cracked or torn it will work much better. If not, a replacement is in order. Reinstall and check for fit, then reassemble.

Easier than repairing damaged eyeglasses, actually.

23 posted on 11/11/2013 9:13:42 AM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: fulltlt

What happens when the neighbors cat or kid wanders in?
***It will show up on our laptop screen. We can scare the cat away, and go outside to yell at the kid...

What are the goals of this project?
***There are multiple goals. 1) having fun with a semiauto bb gun. 2)scaring the critters out of the back yard. 3) cool automation project with the son. 4) Woodshop project wherein my son makes a good looking wooden stock for it.

Getting rid of pests?
***Partly. Killing isn’t a necessity. Squirrels, crows, skunks, etc. For part of the project.

If so there are much better ways. No matter how well designed your Rube-Goldberg would be you could never guarantee a clean kill.
***I’m not looking for a clean kill. I’m looking for the critters to go somewhere else. I did that a few years ago with an airsoft plastic pellet gun, but it jammed constantly.

I would hate to have an animal only wounded by your contraption. That’s not humane.
***To each his own. If I were the animal I would prefer to be wounded over being dead.


24 posted on 11/11/2013 12:58:26 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Rodamala

All right, who leaked phase II project information?


25 posted on 11/11/2013 12:59:40 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: trebb

Sounds like it will be easy to go through a lot of CO2 cartridges quick.
***That’s actually a good point. One of the reasons why I’m impressed with the paintball marker guns — there are some that can be hooked up to a compressed air cannister. Now, THAT would make the project interesting. Of course, it would also mean the kid doesn’t get a bb gun as one of the goals of this project. But if the functionality is there, it might be worth it to me just to see it work, time & again.


26 posted on 11/11/2013 1:03:47 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kirkwood

Thanks. I like it. I think right now it’s ahead of the 1077 for this project.


27 posted on 11/11/2013 1:08:05 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

Get the 1077.

It’s a CO2 .177 pellet repeater
that is enough of a replica of the Ruger 10/22
that he could step into the 10/22 and not even notice...
(to a certain extent)


28 posted on 11/11/2013 1:09:55 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kevmo
I would hate to have an animal only wounded by your contraption. That’s not humane.

"***To each his own. If I were the animal I would prefer to be wounded over being dead.",

Seriously think about what you just wrote. I say this in all due respect. I am going deer hunting later this week. I still don't agree with your methodology. Why don't you check it out with your local DNR and see what they have to say.

29 posted on 11/11/2013 1:29:33 PM PST by fulltlt
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What is a DNR?

Which would you prefer if you were caught trespassing without really knowing you were out of bounds — a welt, or to be dead?

We all know the answer, but it’s interesting to see you go from that to “I don’t agree with your methodology”. That isn’t why I started this thread, but go ahead and walk us through your reasoning process.


30 posted on 11/11/2013 1:48:57 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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I see you're in California. Check out: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/

Call them up and see what they have to say about your so called "project". Here's their number (916) 653-4899.

How many people with a welt will it take before you get your ass sued off with your dumb idea when it malfunctions.

31 posted on 11/11/2013 2:00:25 PM PST by fulltlt
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To: trebb; Kirkwood

Let us know what you end up with and any insights that come from the project.
***One of the insights is that pyramidair.com is a very cool website for this project.

I’m settling on the Morph3X
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Umarex_MORPH_3X_CO2_Pistol_Rifle/2747

for the following reasons:
price
30 round magazine
configurable to pistol — since we’ll be modifying a lot of stuff, this is a presumed plus


32 posted on 11/11/2013 2:06:18 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: fulltlt

How many people with a welt will it take before you get your ass sued off with your dumb idea when it malfunctions.
***You presume too much. Targeting might be automatic but the final decision to pull the trigger will still be human-in-the-loop. You seem to have a burr in your saddle. Check out for yourself: http://gethelpnow.org


33 posted on 11/11/2013 2:10:48 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

“We intend to replace the stock with a wooden one that he’ll make in his woodshop class.”

Unless your son is home schooled, that may cause a major provocation at school. Some schools are busting kids for merely drawing a picture of a gun.

[sarcasm]And horrors, you want to make part of a gun at school? Are you crazy?[/sarcasm]


34 posted on 11/11/2013 2:25:23 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TexasRepublic

Well, yes he is home schooled. I imagine other public-schooled kids would get in trouble over building a gun stock in wood shop. What an utterly sad commentary on society today.


35 posted on 11/11/2013 2:30:01 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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