Posted on 11/10/2013 10:01:34 PM PST by Kevmo
I'm looking for a semi-auto CO2 powered bbgun for my son. We intend to replace the stock with a wooden one that he'll make in his woodshop class.
This is an intersection of several projects. It needs to be semi-auto with as many rounds as possible available.
We will be installing a TV remote motion sensing target system for critters in the back yard and... because... it's a fun project. But that precludes pump action, needs to be CO2 powered.
It needs to be a long barrel rifle because of accuracy and also the mechanism for clampdown requires a long, steel barrel. I'm impressed with how many semi-auto CO2 bb Pistols there are, but they won't work with our planned clamp-down & accuracy issues.
http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Repeat-Semi-Automatic-Pellet-Rifle/product-reviews/B00GGO2E4E/ref=cm_cr_pr_btm_link_next_8?ie=UTF8&pageNumber=8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=byRankDescending
The Crossman 1077 is pretty close, especially for the price. But it shoots only pellets. Isn't there a similar item that shoots bb's? This device seems to have manufacturing problems, judging on the reviews at Amazon & other vendors. Any way around this? Our projects will likely end up with the device sitting around for a week at a time, hoping that the CO2 charge is still there for us. That appears to be an issue with the 1077.
It would seem that the 1077 is the only device in the price range of ~$100 for Xmas.
Is there a bigger capacity magazine available?
I know, I know.... cue the kid from Christmas Story who wanted a Red Rider bb gun: "You'll shoot your eye out, kid."
I’ve got a 1077, and it is not fun to shoot. I bought it b/c it was semi-auto, but the trigger pull is so bad, that it’s not fun to shoot.
You can’t leave a CO2 cartridge in it, or it will start leaking.
And yes, it’s only pellets. It was ok as far as accuracy, and the price was great. ~60 on Amazon.
You should go full-auto for the BBs and single shot for the pellets.
Do you want him to learn to shoot accurately?
Both of those problems are really minor, all things considered. I started with a Crosman pump air rifle and with some minimal mechanical effort those can easily be rectified. Some dissassembly required, however.
First, remove the CO2 cartridge. The receiver can be opened up by removing the three screws holding the two pieces in place.
Trigger pull is caused by the single spring that the metal lever (trigger) compresses. Replace the spring with a more useful one. If you have an old ballpoint pen handy get that one out of the pen and modify it with a pair of needlenose pliers as required even.
The leaking CO2 cartridge is caused by a tiny O-ring in the seating area. This can be carefully removed with some tweezers and then re-seated with some silicone grease for better sealing. As long as the O-ring is not cracked or torn it will work much better. If not, a replacement is in order. Reinstall and check for fit, then reassemble.
Easier than repairing damaged eyeglasses, actually.
What happens when the neighbors cat or kid wanders in?
***It will show up on our laptop screen. We can scare the cat away, and go outside to yell at the kid...
What are the goals of this project?
***There are multiple goals. 1) having fun with a semiauto bb gun. 2)scaring the critters out of the back yard. 3) cool automation project with the son. 4) Woodshop project wherein my son makes a good looking wooden stock for it.
Getting rid of pests?
***Partly. Killing isn’t a necessity. Squirrels, crows, skunks, etc. For part of the project.
If so there are much better ways. No matter how well designed your Rube-Goldberg would be you could never guarantee a clean kill.
***I’m not looking for a clean kill. I’m looking for the critters to go somewhere else. I did that a few years ago with an airsoft plastic pellet gun, but it jammed constantly.
I would hate to have an animal only wounded by your contraption. That’s not humane.
***To each his own. If I were the animal I would prefer to be wounded over being dead.
All right, who leaked phase II project information?
Sounds like it will be easy to go through a lot of CO2 cartridges quick.
***That’s actually a good point. One of the reasons why I’m impressed with the paintball marker guns — there are some that can be hooked up to a compressed air cannister. Now, THAT would make the project interesting. Of course, it would also mean the kid doesn’t get a bb gun as one of the goals of this project. But if the functionality is there, it might be worth it to me just to see it work, time & again.
Thanks. I like it. I think right now it’s ahead of the 1077 for this project.
Get the 1077.
It’s a CO2 .177 pellet repeater
that is enough of a replica of the Ruger 10/22
that he could step into the 10/22 and not even notice...
(to a certain extent)
"***To each his own. If I were the animal I would prefer to be wounded over being dead.",
Seriously think about what you just wrote. I say this in all due respect. I am going deer hunting later this week. I still don't agree with your methodology. Why don't you check it out with your local DNR and see what they have to say.
What is a DNR?
Which would you prefer if you were caught trespassing without really knowing you were out of bounds — a welt, or to be dead?
We all know the answer, but it’s interesting to see you go from that to “I don’t agree with your methodology”. That isn’t why I started this thread, but go ahead and walk us through your reasoning process.
Call them up and see what they have to say about your so called "project". Here's their number (916) 653-4899.
How many people with a welt will it take before you get your ass sued off with your dumb idea when it malfunctions.
Let us know what you end up with and any insights that come from the project.
***One of the insights is that pyramidair.com is a very cool website for this project.
I’m settling on the Morph3X
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Umarex_MORPH_3X_CO2_Pistol_Rifle/2747
for the following reasons:
price
30 round magazine
configurable to pistol — since we’ll be modifying a lot of stuff, this is a presumed plus
How many people with a welt will it take before you get your ass sued off with your dumb idea when it malfunctions.
***You presume too much. Targeting might be automatic but the final decision to pull the trigger will still be human-in-the-loop. You seem to have a burr in your saddle. Check out for yourself: http://gethelpnow.org
“We intend to replace the stock with a wooden one that he’ll make in his woodshop class.”
Unless your son is home schooled, that may cause a major provocation at school. Some schools are busting kids for merely drawing a picture of a gun.
[sarcasm]And horrors, you want to make part of a gun at school? Are you crazy?[/sarcasm]
Well, yes he is home schooled. I imagine other public-schooled kids would get in trouble over building a gun stock in wood shop. What an utterly sad commentary on society today.
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