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EPA Stealthily Propels Toward ‘Massive Power Grab of Private Property Across the U.S.’
PJMedia ^ | 11/12/2013 | Bridget Johnson

Posted on 11/13/2013 12:02:00 PM PST by rktman

While the country is immersed in Obamacare headlines and a congressional tussle over delays and mandates, the Obama administration is stealthily moving toward unprecedented control over private property under a massive expansion of the Environmental Protection Agency’s Clean Water Act authority.

The proposed rule, obtained by the House Science, Space, and Technology Committee in advance of EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy’s testimony at a Thursday oversight hearing, widely broadens the definition of waterways over which the federal government has jurisdiction to as little as a water ditch in a backyard.

The Clean Water Act redefinition of “waters of the United States” would include all ponds, lakes, wetlands and natural or manmade streams that have any effect on downstream navigable waters — whether on public lands or private property.

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TOPICS: Outdoors; Society
KEYWORDS: agenda21; carbontax; ecowackos; energy; epa; epapropertygrab; kenyanbornmuzzie; obamarecession; obamataxhike; obamataxhikes; opec; privateproperty; property
Arrrgggghhhhh! I just want to scream I'm so frustrated with the epa and all their crushing BS. But they'll just use the aid of the US Police force (dhs) to push anyone aside that DARES to stand in their way. And the circus act in d.c. ain't helping much either.
1 posted on 11/13/2013 12:02:00 PM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

Isn’t Obala also signing a bunch of baloney exec orders to steal more land for fed gov like Clintoon was doing in the 90’s too...


2 posted on 11/13/2013 12:04:36 PM PST by GraceG
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To: rktman

If you have any water on your property that is not already a legal drain (river, creek, lake, pond, etc.) fill it in. If you do have any of the latter, don’t let beavers, muskrats, or otters to reside in them (you can figure out how to prevent that).

There are liabilities you cannot control anymore. Worse, fighting the EPA is almost impossible.


3 posted on 11/13/2013 12:08:56 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals want to be eaten last. I don't want to be eaten at all!)
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To: rktman

And Obastard wonders why businesses are leaving the US. What an imbecile.


4 posted on 11/13/2013 12:11:38 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: rktman

In many cases (and likely in this instance), EPA and other regulatory bodies will use a real pollution problem as an excuse to adopt regulations that control much broader segments of business and society, including private parties. If there is a pollution problem, say from a pig farm, the states have authority to act under pollution of public waters or something as simple as a public nuisance.


5 posted on 11/13/2013 12:14:11 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: rktman

I’ll have to guit peeing in the creek?


6 posted on 11/13/2013 12:14:26 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (On the evening of 10/16/13, the ailing republican party breathed its last breath.)
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7 posted on 11/13/2013 12:15:31 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: rktman

AGENDA 21. Herding the people into ‘habitation zones’ while expanding ‘off limits’ zones. Watch for farm bills and other bills which force people out of rural areas and into the suburbs.


8 posted on 11/13/2013 12:16:26 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: CedarDave

Fertilize your lawn? Better not let any of the effluent from the sprinkler system get away. Probably as bad as “if” there is even the possibility of some “escaping”, you’re probably in trouble.


9 posted on 11/13/2013 12:18:16 PM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Yep. Sounds like more of Agenda 21’s plan.


10 posted on 11/13/2013 12:18:30 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: rktman

The EPA should be disbanded.


11 posted on 11/13/2013 12:19:07 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Kind of like the “districts” in the Hunger Games is what I’m thinkin’. Where’s Katniss when we need her?


12 posted on 11/13/2013 12:19:29 PM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman
The State Department of Natural Resources claimed that the fire lanes on my property were wetlands.

This was not their only hare-brained scheme.

They came up with one idiotic scam after another to seize more and more control. I told them that if they didn't leave me alone, I would have to sell the property and that the only people who would buy it were developers who would destroy the old growth forests, animal habitats, fire lanes, and everything.

These "Environmentalists" didn't care. What they want is control--and to be Big Shots. Such people are basically schoolyard bullies.

They didn't leave me alone.

A group of developers offered me 4 times what I paid for the property (after 5 years).

I sold them the property.

They razed the forest. It's now a huge weed patch.

I'm millions of dollars richer.

I wept when they started cutting down the forest.

This is what the "Environmentalists" accomplished.

Needless to say, I have nothing but contempt for these people.

13 posted on 11/13/2013 12:22:48 PM PST by Savage Beast ("We don't need this BLOATED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!! They NEED US!!!!!" ~bandleader)
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To: Savage Beast

Glad you made out okay even though it wasn’t what you really wanted. Sounds like you wanted to be a good steward of the land but the dumbasses forced your hand. So they think they got over/won since you sold because of their bullying. What a brilliant bunch. Gang-green.


14 posted on 11/13/2013 12:25:54 PM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman

keep. powder. dry.


15 posted on 11/13/2013 12:26:03 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: CedarDave

this isjust to control all sorts of thigs under color of law. will also only be selectively applied to certain folks.

obama’s gotta go.


16 posted on 11/13/2013 12:27:26 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

yup. that’s what the whole small farm rainwater runoff stuff is about too.


17 posted on 11/13/2013 12:28:17 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

This was happening before Obama.


18 posted on 11/13/2013 12:32:06 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Destroy patriotism & government will fall. Tamper with love of country & you'll have revolution)
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To: Secret Agent Man
this isjust to control all sorts of thigs under color of law. will also only be selectively applied to certain folks.

Yeah, Republicans, Tea Party supporters, and those that don't contribute to Obama and his agenda.

19 posted on 11/13/2013 12:33:58 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
AGENDA 21

You've got it. And the temperature is turned up slightly while the frogs in the pot remain mostly unaware they're going to be boiled. Incrementalism and distraction. Watch the environmental magicians hard at work.

20 posted on 11/13/2013 12:36:15 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: rktman

I can skip a 22 across my pond and hit a piece of baloney on the other side.


21 posted on 11/13/2013 12:43:11 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (`)
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To: rktman
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This was my project at deer camp this year.

Should I not poop outside ?

22 posted on 11/13/2013 12:44:58 PM PST by onona (The Earth is the insane asylum for the universe (yup, I belong))
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To: onona
Le Sigh....

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23 posted on 11/13/2013 12:45:56 PM PST by onona (The Earth is the insane asylum for the universe (yup, I belong))
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To: rktman

Do you have a septic system? Is it maintained to EPA standards or are you guilty of polluting the watershed?

Yes, groundwater will probably be next even if you don’t have so much as a puddle on your property.


24 posted on 11/13/2013 1:09:29 PM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: Wildbill22

I’m tempted to buy a place down in Louisiana just so I can watch the feds try to move the Cajuns off their land.


25 posted on 11/13/2013 1:39:30 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name the illness that you have and Google it with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: CedarDave

According to our DNR, the Greenies in our area take cellphone pics of things like oil stains on a driveway or froth in a river with current and run to the DNR to report someone for environmental crimes. Luckily the DNR sees this as extreme and ignores it. But it is indicative of the bot agenda.


26 posted on 11/13/2013 1:49:58 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Wildbill22

The ‘progressive’ dominated Legislature in my state is now trying to get control of all privately drilled wells. Their aim is to declare all water a state resource and put meters on wells to bill owners for water used.


27 posted on 11/13/2013 2:20:59 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: Savage Beast

The Army Corps of Engineers (ACoE), The State Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) are every bit as bad as the State Department of Natural Resources (DNR), all of which are under the EPA’s thumb. I worked with/fought them all for 22yrs as a Farmer, and finally gave-up in 2011.


28 posted on 11/13/2013 2:22:19 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

yup i was warning people about it in the 1990s. Different name but same idea.


29 posted on 11/13/2013 2:57:29 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Savage Beast

Developers pay their environmentalists to do that.


30 posted on 11/13/2013 3:25:07 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks rktman.

The Obama Tax Hikes

to go with

The Obama Recession


31 posted on 11/13/2013 6:51:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: rktman

Years ago, I kept getting annoyance calls about “septic tank enzymes”. I tried everything to make them stop, then got exasperated enough to try a different tactic.

Next time they called, I answered in a hillbilly voice and had a conversation with the salesman:

Wait; you said septic tank enzymes?

YES! Our special enzy...

Y’all mean they go in a septic tank?

YES! They prev...

We’uns ain’t got one a them fancy things; we jist run a pipe down to the crick.

(dead silence) ...click.

Never called back.

That was then. Now if I did that, the unamused feds would show up with an interagency SWAT team and a dozen warrants.


32 posted on 11/14/2013 1:19:59 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ApplegateRanch

LOL! Roger that. Except the epa would show up with the “new, improved” officers of the US Police Force, the dhs. Seems like “they” show up for everything any more. They have to ensure that there’s no link to terrorism. You know, Christians, Tea party folks or former military persons.


33 posted on 11/14/2013 4:05:52 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman
"Sounds like you wanted to be a good steward of the land but the dumbasses forced your hand."

That's exactly what happened.

My wife and I wanted to keep it in its pristine beauty. The wildlife was spectacular--the forest old growth.

My wife and I were vegetarians. We didn't allow hunting or fishing on the property.

I loved being there and watching the animals.

A family of deer lived in the forest.

One night I scattered dry cat food on the wooden deck and counted 30 raccoons and 1 possum who came to dine. It was unreal

There were skunks, armadillos, foxes--lots of birds--all sorts of fascinating animals!

I told those people exactly what I wanted to do: keep it beautiful and unspoiled forever--a sanctuary for the animals.

They didn't care. They weren't interested in that. They were interested in being Big Shots and bullies--in claiming as much control for themselves, the state, and their fellow quislings.

Some of the suggestions they gave me were risible.

Sure I made millions, but I wept when I heard the saws begin cutting down the forest.

I don't know where the animals went.

A hunting club was not far away.

34 posted on 11/14/2013 6:54:21 AM PST by Savage Beast ("We don't need this BLOATED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!! They NEED US!!!!!" ~bandleader)
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To: rktman
Leftists LOVE to empower people above their natural level of incompetence. This is "affirmative action." The results vary from merely unjust to disastrous, but that's the result of everything the Left does. In their misguided quest for "justice" they manage to produce only injustice.

The Left is decadence. Nothing good comes of it.

35 posted on 11/14/2013 6:58:15 AM PST by Savage Beast ("We don't need this BLOATED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!! They NEED US!!!!!" ~bandleader)
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To: familyop

Not these developers. They wanted nothing to do with the “environmentalists.”


36 posted on 11/14/2013 6:59:29 AM PST by Savage Beast ("We don't need this BLOATED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!! They NEED US!!!!!" ~bandleader)
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To: rktman

The feds don’t view it as “your” property. It’s all theirs, you’re just paying rent in the form of taxes and rest assured they will take it back if and when they want to.


37 posted on 11/14/2013 7:01:34 AM PST by turducken
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To: Savage Beast

Yup. They showed you didn’t they. Jerks!


38 posted on 11/14/2013 9:06:48 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: Savage Beast

Yep. It’s different for them, when the environmentalists are with federal regulators. Local commissioners’ meetings are often something else. It’s the way to compete in the new socialist business paradigm—not proper at all but they way it’s often done. It’s also one of the major reasons for the economic collapse.

Zoning laws against new, small manufacturing shops in rural areas should have been repealed. Same with the planning and building regulations.


39 posted on 11/14/2013 1:53:44 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Savage Beast

Ah, I see that you were referring to your own experience with a state and am happy for you on how it worked out. In my area, local government folks are calling a trickle above 9,000 feet elevation a wetland in hope of getting more federal money somehow. That creek has never flooded anything of value (about 12-13 inches of precipitation a year, mostly ice blown from nearby peaks), and the land around it is nearly dry as a bone. Interestingly, lots on the short creek (only about four miles long) are owned by a few government employees and pensioners.


40 posted on 11/14/2013 2:06:22 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

The funny thing is that I sold this property 2 months before the bubble burst.


41 posted on 11/14/2013 2:43:06 PM PST by Savage Beast ("We don't need this BLOATED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!! They NEED US!!!!!" ~bandleader)
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To: familyop

Leftists hate “the rich”, the successful, the puissant, but their misguided policies ultimately favor those they hate. There’s a reason. I’m a self-made man—worked hard, planned carefully, and earned every dime I have—made it all from nothing. What Leftists hate to consider is that “the rich” are like me—either they earned it or they didn’t but were clever enough to keep it (which is the same thing).


42 posted on 11/14/2013 2:47:20 PM PST by Savage Beast ("We don't need this BLOATED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!! They NEED US!!!!!" ~bandleader)
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To: Savage Beast

Agreed, and well done. Something else funny, though. Many leftists have some cash flow for the time being but with more negatives in debts, yet some of them pretend to be rich in some ways for appearances and influence around neighbors and other folks in their offices. I try to keep a more humble posture while building what I can.


43 posted on 11/14/2013 3:19:42 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Savage Beast

On the local lefties, some of their places are being foreclosed, one after another. They tend to look for odd, trivial accusations to sling around (often about our private roads and related business), so I continue to stay out of their way and avoid furthering any of the gossip. I reckon we’ll be seeing more peace and quiet before long.


44 posted on 11/14/2013 3:24:27 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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