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Even more Ethanol in Gasoline?
Canada Free Press ^ | 11/14/2013 | Dr. Klaus L.E. Kaiser

Posted on 11/15/2013 7:57:17 AM PST by rktman

According to the Worldwatch Institute, the US Department of Agriculture Secretary, Tom Vilsack, is pushing for an increase of the current maximum of 10.2% ethanol in gasoline to 15-20%. Much of that is supposed to come from corn and, later, from cellulose (wood).

Under the current federal “Renewable Fuel Standard” the US is already slated to increase its use of biofuels from 9 billion gallons in 2008 to 36 billion gallons by 2022. That standard does not even include the proposed increase of the ethanol content of common gasoline.

The proposed revision would be a really bad idea and let me tell you why.

(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...


TOPICS: Society; Travel
KEYWORDS: climatechange; corn; corngas; ecowackos; epa; farmpimps; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax
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Lengthy but informative. Cars will run even less efficiently than they do now. But hey, prices will necessarily skyrocket.
1 posted on 11/15/2013 7:57:18 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

Ethanol damages gaskets, seals, rubber, and wide band O2 sensors. I have had three cars/trucks that have had catalytic converter O2 sensors damaged by ethanol.

I’ve had to rebuild virtually every 2 cycle and some 4 cycle yard machine engines because of it. It is especially bad on things like 2 cycle engine carburetor fuel diaphragms and gaskets.

A pox on anyone who participates in any part of this!


2 posted on 11/15/2013 8:00:48 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: rktman

EPA hates your lawn mowers and weed eaters.

We need to find out who owns “TRUFUEL”


3 posted on 11/15/2013 8:01:56 AM PST by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: rktman

Tax revenues will increase as we have to buy more gallons to go the same distance.


4 posted on 11/15/2013 8:03:09 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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5 posted on 11/15/2013 8:03:21 AM PST by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: driftdiver

Ethanol Pork Cowers Most GOP Contenders
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2698528/posts
Sell your soul to the highest bidder!
Unelected EPA Bureaucrats Approve E15 Ethanol
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2870092/posts
Gubbamint knows best!
Ethanol gets skewered by recent CBO assessment
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2554809/posts

more money for pols to buy votes with.


6 posted on 11/15/2013 8:04:17 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: rktman

No one who cares about the middle class in this country, or the poor worldwide, would suggest burning more food for fuel.


7 posted on 11/15/2013 8:04:59 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: rktman

This is totally insane!


8 posted on 11/15/2013 8:09:21 AM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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9 posted on 11/15/2013 8:10:07 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: PghBaldy
No one who cares about the middle class in this country, or the poor worldwide, would suggest burning more food for fuel.

Real self-proclaimed "liberals" have enough guts to face the facts: the solution to the problem of poverty is to create fewer impoverished people, which is to say: dispose of more of them. Sacrifices may need to be made during extreme emergencies, but better to sacrifice the poor than better people.

10 posted on 11/15/2013 8:11:44 AM PST by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Gaffer

Tar and feathers would a good fit for the fools.


11 posted on 11/15/2013 8:15:40 AM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: PghBaldy

If ethanol is such a good thing for motor fuel, a much cheaper and more environmentally friendly way to produce would be to take a fraction of natural gas, ethylene, chemical formula C2H4, and combine it with H2O in the presence of a catalyst, forming C2H5OH, ethanol, chemically indistinguishable from the grain alcohol produced from the fermentation of corn grain and distillation to separate it from the water in which it is mixed. No erosion, no waste heat pollution, and no vegetable waste from the fermented grain mash.


12 posted on 11/15/2013 8:19:31 AM PST by alloysteel (Men may not always be capable of evil, but they are always capable of incompetence.)
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To: rktman

ALL of the car manufacturers that market in the US have told the EPA that if they do that... it will be the EPA that will pay for warranty related damage due to this failed fuel concoction.


13 posted on 11/15/2013 8:21:31 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

LOL! Like the epa would ever pony up a dime. If nothing else, they’d find a way to sue the auto companies for failure to comply. With something. They’ll just make it up as they go. And, if there’s a mud puddle on the auto companies property, look out.


14 posted on 11/15/2013 8:24:05 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: wally_bert

Nothing but do-gooder politics and ideological traitorism.
Payoffs, kickbacks, vote buying and the American taxpayer gets the bill.

Some time, far in the future if mankind survives the victimism, lying, cheating stealing and entitlement sloth, people will marvel at a society hell-bent on propagating its sloth while simultaneously punishing the capable and encouraging the murder of human souls, to boot. It will further marvel at the gross stupidity of diverting staples that are FOOD to endeavors that have no economical or scientific basis other than politics.


15 posted on 11/15/2013 8:25:43 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: hadaclueonce

Run 89 or 93 octane. No ethanol. Yes, I have verified this.


16 posted on 11/15/2013 8:26:13 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Rio

Yes, this emblem means that they’ve engineered gaskets, seals and sensors to last just long enough to get out of the warranty period.


17 posted on 11/15/2013 8:26:59 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

I am blessed to have a non-ethanol gas pump in my town.

It’s the only gas that I ever buy. PERIOD.

Only a fool puts ethanol into his engine, be it car, truck, motorcycle, lawnmower, weedeater or boat.

A FOOL.


18 posted on 11/15/2013 8:30:08 AM PST by Prole
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To: Gaffer

I talked to a guy a few months ago when I got some parts for a small engine and he said people have no clue what’s coming down in January.

The new fuel mix will have a shelf life for small engine use of about 2 weeks.

The new small engines will have to be tuned with a computer or they will not start much less run.

Apparently if you take a small engine in for repairs you will have to buy a carbon filter for the exhaust.


19 posted on 11/15/2013 8:32:07 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Gaffer

I feel your pain.

I drain/empty the fuel out of any two cycle machines now when I am done using them. Also, I never mix more than a gallon at a time. Try 93 octane too. I only use Star Tron (the blue one)fuel stabilizer.

The other thing if you live close to a marina, many will have gasoline without ethanol in it. I know there is a website that lists fuel stations that do not have ethanol.


20 posted on 11/15/2013 8:34:03 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963

I now use something called Sea Foam....a marine engine additive to the gas. It works rather well.


21 posted on 11/15/2013 8:36:27 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Prole

Totally agree.


22 posted on 11/15/2013 8:37:20 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: IMR 4350

I have become very proficient at rebuilding the carbs on all my 2 cycle stuff. I also bought several spare sets of rebuild kits. I’ll be dead before I have to succumb to their sh!t


23 posted on 11/15/2013 8:38:29 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: rktman

Whenever the percentage of ethanol changes, my car’s MPG is proportionally invesely impacted. Ethanol is to cars what high fructose corn syrup is to people.


24 posted on 11/15/2013 8:38:52 AM PST by grania
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To: rktman

The 10% level was a failure, so naturally liberals call for increasing the level, which will be a worse failure, so liberals will want it raised even more, and more, ....


25 posted on 11/15/2013 8:40:07 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Gaffer

Harleys really hate it.


26 posted on 11/15/2013 8:40:21 AM PST by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult Will Be The Soundtrack For The Revolution.....)
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To: rktman
STUPID LIBERALS!
Food is for eating, both for humans and for our animals that we eat.
Food is not for wasting by turning into alcohol and tearing up vehicles, and tools.
27 posted on 11/15/2013 8:41:53 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Salamander

I’m surprised we haven’t gotten any kickback here. Usually when an ethanol thread comes up we have some corn farmer/grain operator types who trumpet all the benefits of ethanol and show you all their BS links about how it doesn’t do all the bad stuff everyone experiences.


28 posted on 11/15/2013 8:43:24 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: rktman

The SOB takes away your health insurance, then he fugs up your car.


29 posted on 11/15/2013 8:44:06 AM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Prole; Gaffer
Prole:" I am blessed to have a non-ethanol gas pump in my town.
It’s the only gas that I ever buy. PERIOD."

Nationwide pure gas source for US and Canada:
http://www.pure-gas.org

30 posted on 11/15/2013 8:51:14 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: rktman
Lets see we can use Ethanol produced by this guy.  photo american_farmer_web_0_zps07a0ebc3.jpg Or we can continue to buy oil produced by these guys  photo angrymuslimmob_zps68465976.jpg Hmm let me think about this one??
31 posted on 11/15/2013 8:55:26 AM PST by BobinIL
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To: woodbutcher1963

I do the same.
I use PRI-I in my boat, weedeater,snowmobile, lawnmower, snowblower,etc.


32 posted on 11/15/2013 8:57:51 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Gaffer

A person would have to be mad to come in *here* and defend this crap.

Every single one of our cars has had chronic ‘fuel line’ issues.

Every single one was ‘fixed’ by replacing damaged nearly new lines or parts and adding stuff like Gas Dri, Sta-Bil or Seafoam.

The problem is *always* water in the system which is directly related to the ethanol sucking water from the air.

I hate the effin’ sh**.

-Hate- it.

Somebody upthread said premium octanes have none...apparently MD is different.

That’s what we use in the Harleys and they get the same ‘water in line’ problems.


33 posted on 11/15/2013 8:59:28 AM PST by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult Will Be The Soundtrack For The Revolution.....)
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To: BobinIL

How about the gubmint allow us to get our own oil, the farmer can grow food, and the camel jockeys can eat sand?


34 posted on 11/15/2013 8:59:28 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Thank you...


35 posted on 11/15/2013 8:59:48 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Salamander

“premium octane” = “non-oxygenated fuel”


36 posted on 11/15/2013 9:00:24 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Salamander

I hate it too. But I will tell you that I have had good performance with something called Sea Foam - a marine additive. I think my dosage is about 20ml per gallon IIRC.

I bought a whole case of the stuff on Amazon.


37 posted on 11/15/2013 9:03:33 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Salamander
I suppose it would be a mistake, then, to jump in here and note that I've put almost a 1/4 million miles on my Silverado on E-85 ethanol and haven't yet even had to change spark plugs.
38 posted on 11/15/2013 9:06:58 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: rktman

Interesting that the formula one and the drag racers have been burning Methanol and nitromethane for years perhaps the auto industry and small engine industry should do their part and make cars and engines that will handle the ethanol.


39 posted on 11/15/2013 9:08:02 AM PST by BobinIL
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To: rktman; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; ..
2...4...6...8...KILL MY LAWNMOWER!!!

PING!

40 posted on 11/15/2013 9:11:48 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: Mr. Lucky

A Silverado is not a Harley.

All our cars/trucks are over 10 years old, too.


41 posted on 11/15/2013 9:14:18 AM PST by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult Will Be The Soundtrack For The Revolution.....)
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To: Gaffer; Tilted Irish Kilt

We’d have to drive 50 miles to Winchester VA to find good gas.

:-\


42 posted on 11/15/2013 9:16:15 AM PST by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult Will Be The Soundtrack For The Revolution.....)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Stupid—beyond all reason.

There IS NO GLOBAL WARMING! It’s a hoax!

We have plenty of oil. It works very well, it’s relatively inexpensive—and most late model cars spew much fewer emissions into the air.


43 posted on 11/15/2013 9:16:44 AM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Gaffer

Familiar story. Those carburetor diaphragms only last me one season now. And ethanol has in one way or another screwed up my chainsaw, weedeater, push mower, riding mower, generator.

Its hard to keep up.

My favorite was the fuel line in my car...rusted from the inside out. Replacing that was a bundle of fun.

I’m lucky that there aren’t vehicle inspections in my state. I’ve got a minor fleet of old cars, and I doubt any of them have functioning O2 sensors.

I just can’t wait until they put even more of this junk in our fuel.


44 posted on 11/15/2013 9:16:46 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: TurboZamboni

A couple forums are mentioning BP stations having a separate pump for that.

They’re not extremely far away so we’ll check them out this summer.


45 posted on 11/15/2013 9:17:56 AM PST by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult Will Be The Soundtrack For The Revolution.....)
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To: lacrew

I’d like to get hold of the bastard that thought all this up and hitch him up to my trailer hitch and give him a 5 wheel tow for about an hour.


46 posted on 11/15/2013 9:19:42 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

I view the modern green movement as the blood leeching of our time. We look back at that practice, and can’t comprehend how sensible people would buy into it. Future generations will look at us that way.


47 posted on 11/15/2013 9:19:43 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: BobinIL

I’m not even buying this specious horseshit.


48 posted on 11/15/2013 9:20:25 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: rktman

I thank GOD that I had the good sense back in 2010 to buy a diesel fueled car rather than the choices of gas or hybrid! Yes, the government could very well futz with that, it is the government after all! I won’t say that I saw this coming but it was in the back of my mind!


49 posted on 11/15/2013 9:24:45 AM PST by SES1066 (To expect courteous government is insanity!)
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To: BobinIL

Those people aren’t trying to drive their vehicles for 100,000 miles or more. They go through an over haul every race, sometimes their engines only last a couple of races before they are no good. So your attempt at equating them isn’t good Bob.


50 posted on 11/15/2013 9:32:58 AM PST by aft_lizard
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