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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 46, NOVEMBER 15, 2013
Free Republic | November 15, 2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 11/15/2013 12:14:17 PM PST by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


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Good Afternoon. Missouri weather has been a roller coaster this week. During the week we have had nice days and we have had below freezing weather. Today the temperature is 54 headed to low of 47.

November is the time for Missouri gardeners to spread manure, sawdust, and leaves. Good time to lime if that is needed. Everyone is busy burning leaves in this neighborhood except for us. We compost as you know.

Planning for next year has begun and will finalize in December and last orders in January.

The weekend is shaping up for good gardening weather with temperature tomorrow of 67 and low of 61. Sunday will be 72 and back to 39 for the lows.

I continued cleaning up my beds on the nice days and planted some cover crops. Hope to finish up the rest of the raised beds this weekend. Also will put a row cover on the perennial herbs.

We are still collecting and eating a few persimmons daily off the tree. Hubby is busy processing the nuts we collected.

Hope you are all doing well. Have a great weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 11/15/2013 12:14:17 PM PST by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the List.


2 posted on 11/15/2013 12:16:19 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Well last weekend I managed to get absolutely nothing done in the garden. Maybe this weekend will be different. But it’s probably going to rain...


3 posted on 11/15/2013 12:16:45 PM PST by Augie
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To: greeneyes

Yep—roller coaster too here in N. Tx Had to cover the plants out back. Now we have a few warm days ahead and want to get some bang for the buck and get the last few peppers to mature before it gets serious cold and ends the fun.


4 posted on 11/15/2013 12:16:59 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Augie

Oh I hope not. It looked like our local forecast was unlikely to have rain on Saturday. I expect as the weather changes quickly on Sunday it will be raining sometime then.

Que Sera Sers. If it rains, it’ll be good for the trees and shrubs. Plants that are dry in the fall don’t withstand the winter cold as well.


5 posted on 11/15/2013 12:23:30 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: tflabo

I read that putting some aluminum foil at the base sometimes helps hurry up the ripening. Never have tried it though.

I did get to eat a ripe tomato this week from the garden. I have one more left to ripen and a hanful of cherry tomatoes that are almost ripe. Then that’s the end of my homegrown stash.

I still have some green bells in pots inside that I am going to let turn red before eating them.


6 posted on 11/15/2013 12:26:44 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: tflabo
Yep. Lost the tomato plants as expected, but everything in the cold frame is doing fine. I want some rain here in DFW.

/johnny

7 posted on 11/15/2013 12:29:26 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tflabo

Fun already ruined here in Central Texas when we had our first freeze. Peppers were the last thing left and now they’re gone. Oh, well, I’m ready to do nothing outside for awhile. Now is the time to get rid off stuff that has accumulated in the house and has been made more apparent by the fact that our kitchen is undergoing renovation and we have been squeezed into a smaller space. Hopefully, by Spring my house will be finished and clutter free and I’ll be ready to hit the garden anew :)


8 posted on 11/15/2013 12:30:16 PM PST by texas_mrs
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To: greeneyes

Any chance you would have an arguably edible persimmon pudding recipe you could pass along?


9 posted on 11/15/2013 12:33:16 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: greeneyes

The freeze in N. Texas killed off just about all of my garden plants but fortunately I had some peppers in pots that I brought into the garage. I also picked my last 2 eggplants before the frost. Next year I think I will be putting all my tomatoes, peppers, herbs, and eggplants in pots.

I put in a new raised bed for flowers in my front yard and it just about killed me. Trying to dig up Texas clay is not for the faint of heart. With the help of Ibuprofen I finished it with a nice stone boarder.


10 posted on 11/15/2013 12:36:38 PM PST by heylady (“Sometimes I wish I could be a Democrat and then I remember I have a soul.”( Deb))
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To: Mr. Lucky

I’ll check my recipes. I probably have one, but I have not tried any pudding recipes. If I have one, I’ll post it later.

I am just now getting enough confidence in my selection ability. It has been hard to learn when the taste is just right by looking and feeling. Even 1 persimmon that isn’t ripe can spoil a batch of whatever you are making, because the are soooooo astringent.

So far we just eat several each day. They just taste so good, and are so rich that just a few fill me up.


11 posted on 11/15/2013 12:41:55 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Sers = Sera


12 posted on 11/15/2013 12:44:15 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: heylady

Missouri Clay is pretty hard too. That’s why I just had Hubby build me some raised beds. The soil is quite loose, so pulling stuff out is pretty easy.


13 posted on 11/15/2013 12:47:19 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

My fall tomato plant is loaded. I just hope the fruit get ripe before we get a hard freeze here in central Texas. Lettuce and turnips are doing well.


14 posted on 11/15/2013 1:05:55 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: greeneyes

Nothing to report here. We’re on winter shutdown here. We had out first near freeze twice earlier this week, just a false alarm, but did have some frost on the windshield Wed, and a little bit of light frost on the ground in some open areas a couple of miles away. Lowest temp here at the house was 34. All the plants were brought in to the back porch last weekend. Just playing around in the shop waiting till mid- Jan to start some seeds that I ordered this week.

Picked 8 more hot peppers that will be dried and ground to powder.


15 posted on 11/15/2013 1:08:04 PM PST by rightly_dividing (Phil. 4:13)
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I've been writing on the gardening thread all week as I was spending every day searching for various seeds and finding new seeds and determining what to order. I still need to order blackberry plants and at some point, after searching like crazy for a Meyer Lemon tree grown in Texas that I could buy, I'll get that lemon dwarf. I just read the time to plant in Texas for fruit trees is January-February. I've considered a fig tree but can't find one small enough for my small space.

I didn't get a freeze and all the plants are just taking off and growing like crazy. There are a few tomato blossoms now on a tomato plant in the net room. The big squash is now about 22 inches long. There are other blossoms on the plant but I doubt they will start growing squash unless that plant also loves cool weather.

I know I would get a medal for my carrots and turnips. Those are in the good hard plastic, nice looking, square, 13 inch, planters that are made to put on a deck with short legs to keep the bottom of the container off the deck.

I ordered five more of those containers, but the 15 inch ones and they came today - 15 inch will work for root food. I'll get more of the 13 inch before I plant for spring.

I'm going across the street to Walgreens for something and I'll get a notebook to write down all my seeds and info. I need to know to plant each type and I'll be sure to record the date I plant as I didn't do any of that during my “experiment” planting this year.

I said on last week's thread but later in the week that I found the sales slip for my strawberry plants and I only ordered 24 like I thought I did, but they sent 48, that's why I have so many.

Well, gardening is never over, is it? When a fall garden is over, one has to plan for the early spring planting, exactly what to plant, where to plant it, and when to plant it.

16 posted on 11/15/2013 1:08:18 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: greeneyes

Hubby is busy processing the nuts we collected.

Please let me know if you need any squirrels to help with the nut processing.

They gave me a break this year, not so sure about next year tho, neighbor cut a hugh persimmon tree way way back.. so the squirrels may get busier here.. oh vell..


17 posted on 11/15/2013 1:11:53 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge

Thanks anyway, we have plenty of the bushy tails.


18 posted on 11/15/2013 1:13:19 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella

There’s always something to do when you are a gardener. In my foray regarding Texas Citrus, I ran across an article that said the fall and winter months are a great time in Texas to plant the cool weather plants like carrots, in order to avoid the scorching heat of summer.


19 posted on 11/15/2013 1:18:28 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: rightly_dividing

IIRC, our low was 27 degrees. Several days when the frost was quite prolific everywhere.


20 posted on 11/15/2013 1:20:16 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Have you considered digging it up, and putting it in a pot?

I have done that before a hard freeze, and had some success.

Course, I have also picked the green fruit, washed and dried it, then wrapped in newspaper. It gradually ripened over a couple of months or so, and the taste was far superior to grocery produce around here.


21 posted on 11/15/2013 1:24:35 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I have it in a large pot now, and it is just a few feet from my tool shed which I can heat with a small heater.

BTW, does anyone need mimosa tree seeds? I thrashed about 100 beans this week and have plenty of seeds to give away.


22 posted on 11/15/2013 1:28:23 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: greeneyes
The weather here in the Phoenix area is still in the upper 70s to upper 80s. Nights are beautiful. My veggies are are loving the weather.

I've been planting a lot of Asian vegetables so I don't have to make as many trips to the Asian grocery store 15 miles away for fresh ingredients (yes I'm Asian). Here are some pictures from my garden:

Napa cabbages about to form heads (I hope!):
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Bitter melon:
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One of the Brussels Sprouts plants:
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Garlic, planted a month ago:
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Eggplants harvested this morning:
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23 posted on 11/15/2013 1:29:28 PM PST by mom3boys
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To: greeneyes

Darn! Our feral cat population is way down and the poodles are too slow. Netting actually worked out pretty well. I need to eliminate some of the local nests in the trees, yuck. I know day laborers are standing by, but.. This is getting personal. :-) Good luck!


24 posted on 11/15/2013 1:32:58 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: greeneyes

We’re in Missouri, too. I’m hoping to clear a few more garden beds, load them with grass and leaf clippings and then plant some winter rye. Hoping the new beds will be ready for plants in the spring.


25 posted on 11/15/2013 1:34:02 PM PST by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: mom3boys

Nice egg plants! Wow.


26 posted on 11/15/2013 1:35:05 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Arrowhead1952

That’s good. Wish I had a shed or better yet, a green house with a little heat. The best would be a sunroom/green house addition on the lower back patio. Right now, I grow stuff in front of the patio doors in the basement.

It gets lots of passive heat when the sun shines in the winter, so even tomatoes grow pretty well, and I usually get a nice crop of lemons over the winter. But if I had that sun room - I could grow so much more stuff.

Course, at my age, such a room would probably never pay for itself in actual money terms, but think of the satisfaction of being able to harvest a little something every day during the winter to eat.LOL


27 posted on 11/15/2013 1:38:34 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: mom3boys

Your cabbage looks amazing! I have yet to successfully grow cabbage. I keep trying and I get sprouts but never anything that full and pretty.


28 posted on 11/15/2013 1:43:15 PM PST by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: mom3boys
My daughter's in-laws are Cambodian. I'll be trying lemongrass and a few other asian items this spring.

/johnny

29 posted on 11/15/2013 1:47:59 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

It will eventually frost here, sooner or later.


30 posted on 11/15/2013 1:49:30 PM PST by rightly_dividing (Phil. 4:13)
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To: mom3boys

Wow. Look at that lovely produce. It’s a sight for sore eyes this time of the year for me. Thanks so much for posting the pictures.

I’m not Asian but, I bought some Asian stuff to try growing indoors. I really like crunchy stir fry veggies. I do need to reorganize to make room though, and haven’t really had time to do much.

My daughter makes 1 trip every other month or so to the Asian markets in St. Louis, and I stock up on tea and spices, because they are so much cheaper than stuff around here.

We had a chinese hot pot meal last New Year’s Eve that she prepared for us. My granddaughter ate more veggies that way than she ever had before. It was a great meal. Kinda reminded me of fondue. It gave everyone a chance to talk as the next bite was cooking.


31 posted on 11/15/2013 1:50:11 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I just keep reminding myself, that they could be some good eats, if I decide to put an end to their mischief.LOL


32 posted on 11/15/2013 1:52:29 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: mom3boys

Beautiful!


33 posted on 11/15/2013 1:53:20 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes

Here in Massachusetts, it was 18 degrees one night earlier this week, but we had a high today of 69 degrees! This is New England. :)


34 posted on 11/15/2013 1:54:37 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I planted lemon grass two years ago from a one gallon pot. It thrives even in our 100+ degree heat and is bordering on being invasive! I have to cut it down often or it will take over!
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Your daughters-in-law would probably like oriental eggplants too. Mine are still producing.
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35 posted on 11/15/2013 2:01:17 PM PST by mom3boys
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To: JRandomFreeper

Here is where I get most of my Asian vegetable seeds:
http://www.evergreenseeds.com/vegetableseeds.html


36 posted on 11/15/2013 2:03:53 PM PST by mom3boys
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To: greeneyes

“...fall and winter months are a great time in Texas to plant the cool weather plants like carrots, in order to avoid the scorching heat of summer.”

I believe it since they are doing so well. I think I’d have to plant carrots/turnips in early March (if we have a freeze, it usually happens in Feb. here), in order to get any carrots/turnips by the middle of June at the latest. Don’t think they would make it through June when the heat really starts in June.

Story about June: When my husband was the Republican County Chair, we had to go to every state convention. The convention is always in June. In May, I would think this isn’t so bad, June will surely be okay. Every single time, I would nearly melt at the convention because you have to walk so much and a lot of it is outside to go from place to place. After about five years of trying to talk myself into thinking June won’t be so bad, the next five years I faced facts and knew I was going to burn up.

Those of us who had been going to convention for several years would be able to pick out the ones being there the first time. They wore nice clothes, dressed up, some women would even wear heels. At their next convention, they would be like us, wearing the coolest garb one had and flat comfortable shoes. That is a work convention, not a “look at me” convention.

Another story about convention: One presidential election year, the first time Hussein won, Ron Paul had pushed to get his young college men as delegates to our state convention so they could try to go to national convention and try to get Paul nominated or just cause trouble. We knew that so we tried to identify the Paul young men. After I had been at convention a few hours, I told one of our state officers it is easy to find them. They all wore suits - young men dressed to the teeth in a suit. She spread the word and we kept these Paul people, or most of them, from being delegates. I don’t know if any were selected but I don’t think any were in my congressional district. No man wears a suit to this hot convention, but the Paul men did. They looked out of place.

Also, every one I saw, carried a brief case. I sat by three of them in my district and it was a blast. They didn’t know how conventions worked so they didn’t know what was coming next. I was helpful and explained what was happening, explained how we voted individually, knowing all the time these guys were not going to be selected as delegates.

If you are going to infiltrate the “enemy”, you need to look like the enemies.

So, I know for sure, June is HOT in Texas.


37 posted on 11/15/2013 2:09:09 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: greeneyes

I have two citrus trees that are in large pots. I just cover them and put a 100w light bulb under the blankets when the temps get close to freezing. I like to keep the tomato plants outside so they can ripen naturally.


38 posted on 11/15/2013 2:10:35 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: heylady

“Next year I think I will be putting all my tomatoes, peppers, herbs, and eggplants in pots.”

It certainly does give you more control over the plants. I found out Texas sun here will literally cook the plants if they stay in that sun all day. With the containers, I can give them some shade time to cool off.


39 posted on 11/15/2013 2:14:55 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: mom3boys
Hey my little asian lady neighbor way up the block grows this in her garden. She told me once what it is but I totally forgot--haven't seen her since then. Do you know what this is? Some sort of lettuce but I could be wrong. Its very hardy--grows well in the cold too. Its edible but a little bitter to the taste.


40 posted on 11/15/2013 2:33:24 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: samiam1972

It’s a race to beat the winter weather for us that’s for sure. I also have a bed or two that I just pile high with straw, and leaves and stuff.

About a month before spring planting time, I work it all in, if it hasn’t decomposed enough.

Now the other day, I was reading about raising watermelons. They advised putting down several layers of newspaper in the spring, and at least 3 inches of mulch such as straw.

Then poke a hole in the newspaper to transplant into the soil. Supposed to help keep disease down and help with water retention during our dry months.


41 posted on 11/15/2013 2:45:35 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: rightly_dividing

Yeah, but at least you don’t get as much as we usually do.


42 posted on 11/15/2013 2:46:30 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: tflabo
Not sure. I'm not familiar with that particular plant. Could it be this?

Hon Tsai Tai


43 posted on 11/15/2013 2:50:33 PM PST by mom3boys
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To: Marcella

I’ll bet you can just cover up those carrots for a bit in February, and they’ll do just fine.

While I didn’t get to it this year, I usually plant a batch of carrots in the fall, then cover them up with a row cover, and eventually a bunch of straw. Then I have carrots to dig up around March. If I plant them early enough, I can even have some in the winter by just lifting a corner and digging up a few to go in my veggie soup.


44 posted on 11/15/2013 2:53:11 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

What ever works. I have thought about using a small hoop green house with a 100 watt bulb outdoors in the winter too.

What keeps me from it, is my aversion to cold weather. I wouldn’t want to even go outside long enough to turn the light on or off.

It’s great that we have various options to grow our own stuff, I think.


45 posted on 11/15/2013 2:56:31 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; JRandomFreeper

“I’ll bet you can just cover up those carrots for a bit in February, and they’ll do just fine.”

I need to look at the envelope and see when their mature time is. I’ve never grown them so I don’t know. I know I started the seeds in July and planted the plants sometime in mid to late August.

I did get a notebook and a plastic file folder with several divisions in it. I’ve been using a thin paper folder and it’s coming to pieces. I’ll start tomorrow listing seeds I already have to plant, in the new notebook and the ones I ordered are on the way.


46 posted on 11/15/2013 3:04:26 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: mom3boys

No the plant in your pic Hon Tsa Tai has broader leaves but its kind of close in appearance. For now I’m calling the plant I posted the ‘asian lady lettuce’, eheheheh. My little mystery plant out back...


47 posted on 11/15/2013 3:04:28 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: tflabo; mom3boys; All
Here's that plant again... I messed up on Flickr-- sorry if duplicate.. Asian lady lettuce
48 posted on 11/15/2013 3:17:43 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Marcella
I can't do it without my notes and my garden calendar. The calendar is right here at my desk area and whatever happens in the garden gets a brief note.

I did get sorta messed up today when my special friend called and said "Happy Valentines Day" because she had sent me something, and I thought maybe I had overslept and missed Dec and Jan. ;)

/johnny

49 posted on 11/15/2013 3:18:17 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Rip Van /johnny All ya need is a Duck Dynasty beard and voila...


50 posted on 11/15/2013 3:20:10 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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