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Quantum physics proves that there IS an afterlife, claims scientist
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 11:47 EST, 14 November 2013 | Victoria Woollaston

Posted on 11/15/2013 9:33:44 PM PST by Olog-hai

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To: freedom462
It's not the exhaustive list you're looking for but, it's along this same line of attack:

The Physics of Christianity

and

The Physics of Immortality

I tried the first one. That stuff is over my head.

51 posted on 11/16/2013 1:32:50 AM PST by pa_dweller (Extremist tea-party-driven hostage-taking legislative arsonist without a life)
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To: freedom462
This may be of interest to everyone..it sure got my attention.

My dad died in 1973, and in 1978, I experienced a “visitation” from him, and he was not alone. A visitation is different from a dream in that you see bright colors and can smell scents and detect temperatures of the air around you, that the people involved in the visitation are very clear to you, you see much detail and you can hear yourself and them speak to you very clearly,and they have a specific message to leave with you,and then the visitation ends.

I fell asleep one nite & immediately I was sitting at a picnic table in the center of the yard of my family home in Chicago...(in reality we were living in the Chicago suburbs.) We never owned a picnic table, but here I was sitting at one non-the-less. It was a sunny, warm day, you could feel the heat from the sun upon your face and smell the warm air,and all the colors were vivid and bright. First thing I remember is looking down at the picnic table and to the left. I noticed that I couldn't see the end of the table..it went through our yard, through the fence, across the street and through the house right across from ours. I then looked to the right of the table and noticed that the table went through the back of our yard, through the fence, through the alley and through the fence and the home behind our house. I then looked down in front of me at the table & noticed how very narrow in depth this table was..it was about 10-12” wide..and I commented out out to myself that if two people placed their folded hands on the table across from one another, their hands would almost touch. And then I looked up and saw my dad sitting across from me and he was smiling. (Before he died, he was very despondent..he died at age 53 from cancer.) To his right was standing a tall man, with white hair in a dutch boy haircut down to to his earlobe, and he was wearing a white collared short sleeve dress shirt and white pants. I noticed that he was standing soo very close to my dad that this man's lower left arm was almost pressing against my dad's upper right arm,and I commented out loud that you could barely pass a piece of paper between their arms, the man was standing that close. The face of the man literally glowed, and I get the instant impression that this was my dad's guide, his Guardian Angel. And then I looked directly at my dad as he said to me, “Joan, death isn't what you think it is.” And I noticed that his lips weren’t moving as he spoke, that I could hear his words in my head,and I said out loud to myself, “wow~ my dad is speaking to me telepathically.” And then I said out loud, “well, what do I think death is??” And then the visitation was over and I woke up.

Well, five years passed after this visitation & I felt that there was more to this visitation than the words my father spoke to me. What was the message behind the symbolism behind the very, very narrow dimension of the depth of the picnic table? What was the message behind the symbolism of my not being able to see a beginning or end to the picnic table? And I couldn't’ figure it out, until one day when it come to me like a bolt of lightening. The meaning of the never ending picnic table is that when our loved ones and friends depart from us, this is permanent and never ending. The meaning of the very,very narrow depth of the picnic table,and I could hear my father's voice saying this in my head, is that “though we may be departed from you, WE ARE ALWAYS NEAR.” (I then understood that symbolism of two folded hands across from one another, and how these two hands almost touch, but not quite.”)

I told this story to my family priest and to a few psychics and they felt that this, indeed, was a visitation..it was too vivid, and the message left with me was very revealing. Nothing like this has ever happened to me before or since. I am so grateful. Thought I would share this experience with you all.

52 posted on 11/16/2013 2:15:42 AM PST by itssme
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To: maine-iac7

Yes! My wife and I often enjoy discussing the New Testament as it relates to QM.

Jesus, the master scientist, spoke of complex matters in a simple (but not always easy to understand) way.


53 posted on 11/16/2013 4:15:53 AM PST by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: AndyTheBear
And yet, every time you go home from work and greet your wife or dog, they have changed. Sub in the universe and maybe this will help.

It is easier to grasp by reading the book, but even that requires a step back from all we have been taught. The reviews on Amazon might be helpful for you as well. It is, I believe, a far more abstract concept than concrete and easier for those schooled in eastern thinking to get a handle on.

54 posted on 11/16/2013 4:38:08 AM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: Olog-hai
I have zero video game programming experience; but I guess that the essence of an image represented by the pixels is manifested by data stored separately in tables in memory or databases (given today's hardware speeds).

We are chemical reactions and our being could well be separate from this universe of quantum particles (pixels) that are actually electromagnetic waves I believe.

If there is not existence after death none of us will ever know it.

55 posted on 11/16/2013 4:38:09 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Olog-hai

Ping to read later


56 posted on 11/16/2013 4:55:32 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: Olog-hai

Very interesting read. Thanks for the post.


57 posted on 11/16/2013 4:58:28 AM PST by LuvFreeRepublic
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To: freedom462
Is there a list of the most convincing articles and write ups offering scientific proof of heaven? For various reasons I have been interested in amassing a collection of as much info as possible about attempts to proof, on a scientific level of some sort, that heaven exists and that there is an afterlife of sorts?
58 posted on 11/16/2013 5:00:55 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Olog-hai

The exquisiteness and order of the macrocosm of the universe and the microcosm of the quantum world fills me with wonder and awe.

I eagerly view the APOD and string-theory threads every day and am constantly reminded of the awesomeness of the Creator.

JMO, but I find that Science increases my faith, instead of the other way around.


59 posted on 11/16/2013 5:22:35 AM PST by left that other site (.)
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To: ottbmare

Good point!


60 posted on 11/16/2013 5:25:02 AM PST by left that other site (.)
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To: Olog-hai

Most scientists would probably say that the concept of an afterlife is either nonsense,

Hokey-doke. Now, let’s list all the things scientists once said was nonsense...


61 posted on 11/16/2013 5:28:29 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Lazamataz

God Bless You, Laz!

(((HUGS))))


62 posted on 11/16/2013 5:31:09 AM PST by left that other site (.)
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To: freedom462

“I haven’t figured out why He waits so long to intervene in so many lives and why he doesn’t intervene in everyone’s lives form birth.”

As the Author of Time He DOES so intervene but we may not like the earthly outcome. God continually tells us to look past the earthly plane to a place beyond pain of any kind.


63 posted on 11/16/2013 5:36:05 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Olog-hai
Complete tangent: I wonder if he's any relation to the Sandy Hook shooter? The wackjob that shot Giffords also prattled on about consciousness creating reality. If my wilder, more libertarian days of misspent youth taught me anything, it's that many just cannot handle this sort of thing, the perception of being divorced from objective reality or worse yet in control of it, whether it's philosophically or chemically induced. There's danger here, imho, both spiritual and physical. Christians be very wary, it's quite tempting to think that this is some sort of affirmation. The fruits of it have not been good, from Castaneda onward to today.
64 posted on 11/16/2013 5:50:24 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: left that other site

Love you hon. So sorry to hear about your husband on the other thread. Hugs back.


65 posted on 11/16/2013 6:11:45 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: freedom462

Freedom462, you should take great comfort in the fact that no one comes to God save the spirit draws them to him, God is directly reaching out to you,

Your questions are not unanswerable mysteries, it just requires continuing study in the word to discern the spiritual times and seasons that have to be fulfilled before all things are restored (as its written)

But for now, God gives us our complete freedom, he released us in him. It’s what Jesus meant when he said in John Chapter 8, who the Son sets free is free indeed, its Satan that would directly control and take and enforce, using everything this world has to entice us with, and as this is his world (until the times and seasons come to their full) he can and does just that, as often as he will,

Read the the little three chapter book of Habakkuk, he had the same questions,


66 posted on 11/16/2013 6:24:18 AM PST by captmar-vell
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To: freedom462
I haven’t figured out why He waits so long to intervene in so many lives and why he doesn’t intervene in everyone’s lives form birth.

He doesn't wait so long to intervene in so many lives; He intervenes in our lives at the moment we are conceived, or at that time before time began when, in love and delight, He thought of each of us. Our lives are full of the touches of God. The very fact that your question moved me and others to respond to you is His doing. He gives us constant help and blessings and guidance, and it is only our stubbornness that keeps us from being aware of this, not any reluctance on His part to step in and act in our lives. We are each given all the grace we need to find the Right, to act rightly, to recognize Him and to draw closer to Him. He is not inactive in anyone's life.

But He's not going to beat you over the head. If you believe in Him in the same way you believe in the existence of gravity, then you're a robot, not a joyful and living child who has come to trust in a benevolent father.

67 posted on 11/16/2013 6:26:00 AM PST by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: TalBlack
helicobacter pylori

breastfeeding

68 posted on 11/16/2013 6:47:13 AM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: Olog-hai
Quantum physics proves ...

The Christian's goal is not to get to heaven and they are not seeking proof of their faith. Faith does not require proof. Christians already know where God exist in their lives.

This short video explains where God exist

69 posted on 11/16/2013 6:57:16 AM PST by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: MosesKnows

Quantum physics proves ...
The Christian’s goal is not to get to heaven and they are not seeking proof of their faith. Faith does not require proof. Christians already know where God exist in their lives.


This is fascinating stuff. I find it slightly amusing though that many great Christian scientists of the past had such strong faith without quantum physics. Isaac Newton comes to mind.

He wrote more about the Bible (he was an original Bible code person) than he did physics.


70 posted on 11/16/2013 7:13:42 AM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Lazamataz

Both you and I have stories that PROVE that there is a “Life after death”.


71 posted on 11/16/2013 7:22:39 AM PST by left that other site (.)
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To: onedoug

ping


72 posted on 11/16/2013 7:50:41 AM PST by windcliff
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To: left that other site
Both you and I have stories that PROVE that there is a “Life after death”.

You may add a third person to your list...

the infowarrior

73 posted on 11/16/2013 8:15:46 AM PST by infowarrior
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To: infowarrior

((((HUGS))))


74 posted on 11/16/2013 8:25:32 AM PST by left that other site (.)
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To: infowarrior

Amen, my FRiend!

(((HUGS))))


75 posted on 11/16/2013 9:23:56 AM PST by left that other site (.)
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To: itssme
One thing I wanted to add to my post #52 re life after death, I received the strong impression from my father during his visitation to me after his death, that THERE IS LIFE AFTER DEATH, but in a spiritual form. My father was a intelligent man, well-read. Before he died, he was very despondent, but he did say to me that now that he was dying, he would learn in the afterlife if there really are extraterrestrials out there in the universe...my dad had a great sense of humor and and a curious mind, and he was very serious about this.

Bottom line...THERE IS LIFE AFTER DEATH. A SPIRITUAL FORM OF LIFE AND MY DAD WAS VERY HAPPY TO APPEAR TO ME AND APPARENTLY WITH HIS LIFE AFTER DEATH. Does anyone else have a visitation experience like I described in post 52?

76 posted on 11/16/2013 9:45:55 AM PST by itssme
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To: onedoug

Ping


77 posted on 11/16/2013 9:46:46 AM PST by stylecouncilor
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To: maine-iac7

Yes, in His way. Read what He told Philip in the fourteenth chapter of John’s Gospel. Even John could not have realized he recorded a Physics lesson. Yet it is there.


78 posted on 11/16/2013 4:18:07 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Third Person
Jesus, the master scientist, spoke of complex matters in a simple (but not always easy to understand) way.

Yes. There are two layers to His teachings - one for those with ears to hear and one for those who haven't evolved enough yet to understand the higher level.

Both serve their purpose.

79 posted on 11/16/2013 6:09:55 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: MarMema
You might enjoy The Self-Aware Universe: How Consciousness Creates the Material World by Dr. Amit Goswami.
80 posted on 11/16/2013 7:43:22 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: whodathunkit
Descartes had it slightly wrong with his "cogito ergo sum" ("I think, therefore I am.") As I understand both quantum theory and consciousness, he should have said "opto ergo sum" ("I choose, therefore I am.")
81 posted on 11/16/2013 7:47:05 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: maine-iac7

All the great masters taught quantum physics.


82 posted on 11/16/2013 7:49:01 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: AndyTheBear
If the universe is created by the mind, it is not our minds that create it, but that of something god-like.

The One Mind, of which we are a part. Universal Mind, The Thing Itself.

We, however, create the way the world shows up in our experience by our mind, by our consciousness.

In other words, God creates the world, but we create our world.

83 posted on 11/16/2013 7:51:44 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: maine-iac7

That inscription is posted on the building at 14 E. 48 St. in New York, the home of the First Church of Religious Science.


84 posted on 11/16/2013 7:52:53 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: MarMema

As the philosophers say, you can’t step in the same river twice.


85 posted on 11/16/2013 7:55:40 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TalBlack

The only time that really exists is Now and the only place that really exists is Here. Wherever you are, you’re always “here” and whenever you’re there, it’s always “now.)


86 posted on 11/16/2013 7:57:28 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TalBlack

The only time that really exists is Now and the only place that really exists is Here. Wherever you are, you’re always “here” and whenever you’re there, it’s always “now.”


87 posted on 11/16/2013 7:57:37 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Bullish

>> Hey wait a minute.... Maybe this IS the afterlife.

I was thinking the “before” life — though, I thought of it after you, but since you’re now reading this, I guess I may not be incorrect after all...


88 posted on 11/16/2013 8:03:52 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Olog-hai

Something we often use when people have moved on to the next experience:

IMMORTALITY

This is the promise that he hath promised us - even eternal life.

Yea though I walk through the valley - of the shadow of death – I will fear no evil - for Thou art with me.

Whither shall I go from thy spirit? Or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

If I ascend up into heaven - Thou art there - if I make my bed in hell - behold Thou art there.

If I take the wings of the morning - and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea - even there shall thy hand lead me - and thy right hand shall hold me.

We are born of eternal day - and the Spiritual Sun shall never set - upon the glory of the soul - for it is the coming forth of God - into Self-Expression.

Man - the real man - is birthless - deathless - changeless - and God as man - in man - is man. Creator and creation - constitute one indivisible Wholeness.

The highest god - and the innermost God - is one and the same God.

We are not going to attain immortality - we are now immortal. Death is but a passing to a higher sphere - of life and action.

And so we prepare - not to die - but to live - not for survival - but for fulfillment of being.

Our contention - is not that dead men live again - but that living man never dies. A consciousness of continuity is finite - but continuity itself is infinite.

Resurrection is the Power of Life - always present - ever creative -ever new. Life and Its resurrection is now. I turn to Life in reverence - hope - and joy.

And this is the record - that God hath given to us eternal life - and this life is in his Son.

1 John 2:25, 5:11 Ernest Holmes
Psalms 23:4, 139: 7-10 Oswald Jefferson


89 posted on 11/16/2013 8:19:14 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Gene Eric

How weird is that?


90 posted on 11/16/2013 8:29:45 PM PST by Bullish (The only real solution is to abolish liberal democrats forever)
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To: TBP
Baird Spaulding's Masters of the Far East"
91 posted on 11/16/2013 11:53:35 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: TBP

Thanks. I will get a copy.


92 posted on 11/17/2013 4:57:42 AM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: TBP

Yes, thanks. I like that.


93 posted on 11/17/2013 5:02:29 AM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: TBP
Descartes had it slightly wrong with his "cogito ergo sum" ("I think, therefore I am.") As I understand both quantum theory and consciousness, he should have said "opto ergo sum" ("I choose, therefore I am.")

It's obvious that he wrote down the first thought that popped into his head. (really, really big grin)

I believe you are correct and he may very well have chosen the latter if he had the knowledge available to us. I wonder at times how we will be viewed in a historical context.

94 posted on 11/17/2013 6:40:00 AM PST by whodathunkit
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To: TBP

The only time that really exists is Now and the only place that really exists is Here. Wherever you are, you’re always “here” and whenever you’re there, it’s always “now.”

All true, yet if you ponder it it can set your head to spinning.


95 posted on 11/17/2013 9:11:11 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: freedom462

“Why doesn’t he let everyone in the world know that the should be looking? Until I was about 23 or so God never intervened in my life and never even tired to let me know that i should be looking for him. At 23 I feel He may have picked that time to intervene, but I don’t know why He would wait that long.”

not so - G-d was always knocking at your door; if you didn’t know it it was YOU who was not doing something, not G-d


96 posted on 11/22/2013 11:51:40 AM PST by Wuli
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To: freedom462

another fishing expedition

looking for social conservatives to give you arguments you can cook up arguments against

I think much of what you say about yourself is a made-up personality of a troll


97 posted on 11/22/2013 11:56:45 AM PST by Wuli
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