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Mafia leads in the JFK conspiracy theory poll
NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune ^ | November 18, 2013 | Rebecca Alexander

Posted on 11/18/2013 1:56:41 PM PST by BBell

The five most popular JFK assassination conspiracy theories, as outlined by Adriane Quinlan, has generated questions and thoughtful responses from readers:

WhoDat

Garrison is the closest yet...

Nobody will ever know exactly what happened to JFK, but know these facts:

With the number, angles and accuracy of the bullets, Oswald 100% did not act alone.

Secret service assigned to JFKs car all pulled back seconds before he was shot.

George HW Bush has repeatedly denied being in Dallas Tx on the day of the shooting after multiple sources have evidence proving otherwise.

Velociraptor

I believe there was a conspiracy but that these are simply not the correct answer. There are serious flaws in each of these.

That said... Oswald alone shot JFK...the real question is who helped him and why?

2fish96

Kennedy wasn't the intended target ... Secretary of the Navy John Cannally was for not allowing Oswald to re-join the Marines after he was kicked out of Russia. Oswald, having nowhere else to turn, took his anger and a rifle to the 6th floor of the book repository.

(Excerpt) Read more at nola.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: conspiracytheory; jfk; jfkassassination; mafia; oswald; theliargarrison
Lots of links at the source. A poll is there too. I still believe Oswald acted alone.
1 posted on 11/18/2013 1:56:41 PM PST by BBell
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To: BBell

Oswald was a self-admitted Marxist. The Commies had JFK done in. No one ever talks about the most obvious. This is how good those sneaky Commies were (and still are: they all left USSR in the early 1990s and settled here in the USSA).


2 posted on 11/18/2013 2:00:27 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: BBell

Other choices being Cubans, Russians, Jealous Husbands?


3 posted on 11/18/2013 2:01:32 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Oswald was a self-admitted Marxist. The Commies had JFK done in.

So Johnson could go immediately into Vietnam? No.

4 posted on 11/18/2013 2:02:42 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: BBell

Oswald acted alone. No one has shown a single fact to discredit that.


5 posted on 11/18/2013 2:03:14 PM PST by mfish13 (ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!)
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To: BBell

I believe he acted alone too.

Even if Oswald had lived and was convicted, there would still be people insisting that he was part of a conspiracy.


6 posted on 11/18/2013 2:03:26 PM PST by Paisan
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To: BBell
Oswald alone.

"Good shot, what can I say, good shot."

7 posted on 11/18/2013 2:05:22 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

After Kennedy was shot but announced that he was still alive:

“He (Fidel Castro) came back, sat down, and repeated three times the words: “Es una mala noticia.” (”This is bad news.”) He remained silent for a moment, awaiting another call with further news. He remarked while we waited that there was an alarmingly sizable lunatic fringe in American society and that this deed could equally well have been the work of a madman or of a terrorist. Perhaps a Vietnamese? Or a member of the Ku Klux Klan? The second call came through: It was hoped they would be able to announce that the United States President was still alive, that there was hope of saving him. Fidel Castro’s immediate reaction was: “If they can, he is already re-elected.” He pronounced these words with satisfaction.”


8 posted on 11/18/2013 2:06:11 PM PST by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: BBell

For years I always thought there was a second gunman because JFK’s head moved backwards. But no way his front huge head wound was an entry point. I believe Oswald was such a Castro sympathizer and knew he had a nice spot to shoot that he just acted on his evil thoughts. That he also shot a Dallas police office that day leaves no doubt in my mind he was the only shooter. It is possible Castro was somehow involved indirectly behind the scenes. Just my opinion.


9 posted on 11/18/2013 2:06:33 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: BBell

What’s most interesting to me is not whether Oswald acted alone or not, but how many additional people and organizations had it out for JFK. He must have been the most hated man in politics!


10 posted on 11/18/2013 2:07:14 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: BBell

Aliens.


11 posted on 11/18/2013 2:07:42 PM PST by NorthMountain
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To: BBell

So I’m old enough to remember that there were documents sealed “for fifty years” at the time of JFK’s assassination. Have those time capsules been opened yet? Anyone know who has possession? This is where the conspiracy no resides.


12 posted on 11/18/2013 2:10:32 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: tflabo
It is possible Castro was somehow involved indirectly behind the scenes. Just my opinion.

I spent years also thinking that Castro could have had something to do with it but in recent years I have changed that opinion.

13 posted on 11/18/2013 2:11:07 PM PST by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: BBell

God forbid a similar leftist nut took a shot at pres Obama on his own. Think of all the conspiracies-—Tea party induced, Israel Mossad, Putin, Taliban, Koch Bros etc.... the list would be endless.


14 posted on 11/18/2013 2:15:01 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: BBell

When you look at all the information you wonder what is really credible as almost all the proof is tainted.


15 posted on 11/18/2013 2:16:31 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: BBell

Three letters: LBJ.


16 posted on 11/18/2013 2:17:08 PM PST by Above My Pay Grade (The people have the right to tell government what guns it may possess, not the other way around.)
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To: BBell
The only two plausible theories to me are:

  1. Oswald basically acted alone. JFK was a target of opportunity to make a whack-job great in his own mind. But the Warren Commission report cast a lot of doubt on one of the more probable theories by the way it came out. Plus the timing was not designed to find the truth, but ensure LBJ's election.
  2. LBJ arranged it. It meets the criteria of opportunity and motive and most particularly the way LBJ behaved afterward. Who else would be giving orders to the Secret Service to scrub down the limo while JFK was being pronounced dead at Parkland Hospital? Or to hustle the body out of there and on to Airforce One in direct violation of Texas law for an autopsy? Who else would insist that a very vulnerable Jackie Kennedy be positioned at his side for the swearing in photo-op? Or suggest to her that the autopsy be conducted at Bethesda Naval Hospital (which had no forensic experts) instead of Walter Reed (which did)?

    The link suggests oil men in Texas put LBJ up to it because he was a conservative alternative to JFK. How so?


17 posted on 11/18/2013 2:17:47 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: BBell

they just can’t accept that it was a cuban sympathizing communist and not an anti-civil rights racist


18 posted on 11/18/2013 2:24:38 PM PST by babble-on
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To: BBell

When was Air America unofficially flying in Southeast Asia?

Bush 1 was ambassador to china for a bit way back.

I get my date&plotlines perilously mixed occasionally


19 posted on 11/18/2013 2:25:04 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: BBell

Because it couldn’t have been a Communist (Oswald) upset because JFK was too conservative.


20 posted on 11/18/2013 2:25:33 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (I Love 0bamaCare! It proves government incompetence forever.)
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To: mfish13

“...one single fact to discredit that.”

Fact: Jack Ruby, a strip club owner with mob ties, shot Oswald. He shot Oswald knowing it would mean life in prison. He shot Oswald knowing Oswald would have died in the electric chair in a month or two.anyway. Ruby said he did it cause he loved the Kennedys. Hello?


21 posted on 11/18/2013 2:28:27 PM PST by Dansong
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To: Vigilanteman

Mob/Outfit does not like getting double crossed. It wasn’t personal it was business

Papa Joe reached out to old “friends” Giancana, Trafficante, etc. to assist in controlled wards in Chicago and other places to deliver the needed votes to win. It was implied JFK admin would do something about Cuba ( Mob lost significant investments), and easing off of investigations.

JFK and RFK reneged on the deal. After Bay of Pigs and Cuban Missle Crisis ending any projects for direct removal of Castro, and RFK as Atty. General putting more heat on the mob.


22 posted on 11/18/2013 2:28:50 PM PST by slapshot
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Oswald's 3 rounds. 1 was a placeholder, 1 shot missed and 1 shot struck Kennedy through his lower neck (NOT an 'exploding' bullet).

The kill shot to the head ('exploding' bullet) was an accidental trigger pull from an AR-15 carried by a Secret Service agent sitting in the car behind Kennedy's car.

23 posted on 11/18/2013 2:29:56 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

I agree, and will never believe any different. He knew he would never be the president because there were enough Kennedys to go on for ever.


24 posted on 11/18/2013 2:30:04 PM PST by depenzz ("Life is longer than you think: don't quit before its over")
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To: BBell

I think Oswald acted alone as well, but I think he may have had help. It just seems too coincidental. You got a guy like Oswald who was fanatical about Marxism taking pot shots against Gen. Ed Walker because Walker was anti-commie, and gee whiz here comes Kennedy out of the blue who just tried to have Oswalds hero Fidel Castro killed driving slowly in front of the book depository exactly where Oswald works! And just to make sure, they print the exact route and time Kennedy will be driving slowly by. I mean what the hell was that? It’s not like any Presidents never got assassinated before. You had 3 not to mention the ones who were shot and survived like Teddy Roosevelt. It just seems too much like a setup. I think Oswald had help from the commies inside the government which is why after Kennedy was killed the ‘rat party pretty much went all commie, why they took sides against the US in the Vietnam war and why we have a commie in the WH today.


25 posted on 11/18/2013 2:34:36 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: BBell

A conspiracy has always seemed like the most logical explanation. Putting a bullet through the POTUS’s brain with a scoped rifle is not as simple as shooting woodchucks in a field. It’s no simple matter. I think one has to actually use one’s imagination more to conclude that there wasn’t a conspiracy than to conclude that there was. It is the simplest explantion in other words. Just being in the right place at the right time with a rifle and ammunition is complicated enough. Then there’s the fact that JFK was conveniently in a convertible. Then there’s the sudden and convenient silencing of Oswald at the hands of Jack Ruby. That in and of itself is highly suspicious but Ruby’s death too was also quite convenient. This has all the elements of a conspiracy. As I said, it takes less mental gymnastics to conclude that there was a conspiracy than to conclude that there wasn’t.


26 posted on 11/18/2013 2:51:17 PM PST by RC one (I blame all typos, grammatical errors, and spelling errors on my iphone.cu)
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To: Alex Murphy
What’s most interesting to me is not whether Oswald acted alone or not, but how many additional people and organizations had it out for JFK. He must have been the most hated man in politics!

Something I read many years ago has always stuck in my mind. It goes something like this:

"Here is a list of people listed in various conspiracy theories involving the JFK assassination:

1. The Mafia

2. The CIA

3. Southern Right Wingers

4. Texas oilmen

5. Anti-Castro Cubans

6. Pro-Castro Cubans

7. LBJ

8. The Corsican Mob

9. The Soviets

10. Fringe left wingers - (LHO was avowed Marxist, you know)

11. The limo driver of JFK's convertible in Dallas

12. Catholics who were mad about the Diem assassination

13. The Federal Reserve Board

14. The Military Industrial Complex (they wanted Vietnam, you know)

And I'm sure there are other groups that I left out.

Now, if all of these people were against Kennedy, why didn't just wait until 1964 and vote him out office?"
27 posted on 11/18/2013 2:59:19 PM PST by Ticonderoga34
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Three letters: LBJ.

I agree with you. The night of the assassination, LBJ went home and wrote the “great society” or whatever his big liberal plan was.


28 posted on 11/18/2013 3:07:02 PM PST by BarbM (Portuguese Dog--Kenyan president)
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To: BBell

The thing that amazes me most about the shooting is that there is so much controversy over a thing which happened to the President of the United states, in broad daylight before a large crowed, some of whom were filming it...


29 posted on 11/18/2013 3:08:13 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: BBell

I heard today that there is another film - of a Dallas PD officer coming down a fire escape ladder with a gun and a “look what I found” type of conversation antics with another one once he got the the ground. (Ladder was attached to the Schoolbook Depository bldg.)

Have never heard of this before - seems a second RIFLE was found. Apparently, it’s obviously a RIFLE, but the folks who took the film were told “No, that was a shotgun.”

Source is credible. This changes everything I ever thought of this event.

I was in 3rd grade in Dallas at the time. First time I EVER saw my dad crying.


30 posted on 11/18/2013 3:27:46 PM PST by RebelTXRose
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To: BBell

My thinking on the subject is that I could have easily made the shot Oswald is reported to have made, but given the circumstances, I would have preferred open sites, or a scope and mounts that would have allowed me to zero the scope, not the setup on Oswald’s rifle. I couldn’t have worked the action between the second and third shot as fast as Oswald is reported to have done, but no one else can either. That’s a fact that gets left out when people say the FBI has proven three shots could be fired in that time frame. Yes they are right, but not when the timing of the shots from each other are factored in. As choice of rifles go, an Italian Carcano would have been near the bottom of my list.

As a crime scene investigator, I would have preferred the limo not to be rushed away to a shop to be stripped down, cleaned and professionally reworked to eliminate all the evidence that a crime had taken place. I would also have wanted to have Connally’s suit, rather than rushing it off to a dry cleaner to have all the evidence removed. I would wonder why one bullet managed to go through bone in a fantastic path, and remain in semi “pristine” condition, while another bullet, presumably from the same batch, having gone through soft bone and tissue, fragmented.

I would have listened to witnesses that claimed to see other men with guns, and other men shooting. I wouldn’t have handled witnesses and their testimony the way it was done, editing and excluding testimony that might have brought out the truth about the crime. I would not have rushed the body away from the jurisdiction where the crime was committed, as if Dallas didn’t have professionals capable of handling the autopsy and investigation.

If there wasn’t a conspiracy before the shooting, and Oswald pulled off his speedy shots with a faulty scope alignment, there certainly seems to be a coverup after the fact, and I find it puzzling. Unless, of course, what followed the shooting was a continuance of what really happened before the shooting.

I don’t care. People can believe what they want, and it probably doesn’t make a bit of difference at this point. It is good for having arguments and expressing opinions this time of the year. We will never know all of the truth about Kennedy’s assassination. What is important is that we have lots of creative conspiracy theories to keep us entertained and distracted. I think Kennedy didn’t really die that day. It was all staged to provide cover for him flying off to Argentina to work with Nazis and breed with aliens.


31 posted on 11/18/2013 3:50:00 PM PST by pallis
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Oswald was a certified nut. He wanted to work for the Russians but they wanted no part of him because he had a head problem. To impress them he killed our president just to show them how clever he was, and was caught within two hours.
32 posted on 11/18/2013 4:20:03 PM PST by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Dansong

One story I read many years ago went that Ruby did as he was told to by his Chicago ‘Outfit’ bosses, (Whack Oswald ASAP), or he would end up being very slowly tortured to death by that same Outfit the way Outfit juice collector, (and suspected by the Chicago Outfit heads Sam ‘Momo’ Giancana and Tony ‘Big Tuna’/Joe Batters’ Arccardo as a newly turned snitch/rat), ‘Action’ Jackson was in Chi-town a year or 2 before JFK’s assassination. (Ruby supposedly ‘owed’ ‘em for a past transgression(s). They let ‘im off the hook, put him in their back pocket to be used at a future date and that was that). NOBODY wants to check out the way Jackson did. Oh well, just one more story to throw into the mix!


33 posted on 11/18/2013 4:36:52 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: ANGGAPO

“Oswald was a certified nut. He wanted to work for the Russians but they wanted no part of him because he had a head problem. To impress them he killed our president just to show them how clever he was, and was caught within two hours.”

I wonder if the Russians tried to warn us about Lee Harvey Oswald, the same way they warned us about the Boston Bomber.


34 posted on 11/18/2013 4:51:02 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: bobby.223

Great point. Just looking at Ruby cmakes you think, “ Now that’s a guy whose got some big bills to pay!”


35 posted on 11/18/2013 5:05:18 PM PST by Dansong
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Other choices being Cubans, Russians, Jealous Husbands?

Don't forget my favorite -- the French.

I don't believe there was any conspiracy, but Oswald crossed paths with so many Soviet, Cuban, and US operatives of one agency or another that conspiracy theories are inevitable.

36 posted on 11/18/2013 5:14:06 PM PST by x
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To: BBell

They don’t provide an option for those who believe that Oswald acted alone.


37 posted on 11/18/2013 5:47:45 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Auley)
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To: x

Any thoughts on the 1st. November 1963 foiled/disrupted JFK assassination plan, the one set for his Chicago visit on 11/2/63? Or the 2nd. plan, the set for Tampa Florida during JFK’s 11/18/63 trip? Dallas on 11/22/63 was going to be, (if ‘needed’), the Mob’s 3rd. go at JFK in November 1963. They wanted him gone prior to the JFK/RFK planned coup for Cuba set to launch on 12/1/1963. Those 2 other plans and the Cuba coup were written about in a book titled: ‘Ultimate Sacrifice’ (First Pub. 2005, 960 pages). Very interesting take on the entire thing to say the least. Who knows what the real truth is I guess!


38 posted on 11/18/2013 5:52:05 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: slapshot
All true up until about early 1963. And to make matters worse, RFK was going after the mob. But this suddenly went on the back burner in about January of that fateful year. It seems someone had a little talk with Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. and he had a talk with the boys.

Yeah, you can't rule out the mob connection completely. But the timing was inappropriate. The mob had gotten what they wanted from the Kennedy Administration by then.

Not with Cuba for sure. But after Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis, everyone knew there was no getting Cuba back by then anyway.

39 posted on 11/18/2013 7:47:05 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: bobby.223
A lot of that comes from Abraham Bolden, a secret service agent who was dismissed because of a scandal in Chicago -- somebody who obviously has an ax to grind. I don't know how much there really is in those supposed assassination attempts.

There's also a lot of rivalry between the various conspiracy theorists. Some think these plots are just stories planted to deflect attention from "the real conspiracy."

40 posted on 11/19/2013 11:04:16 AM PST by x
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To: BarbM
Jim Braden is the man who shot from the DalTex building. Braden was a Chicago mobster. He was arrested that day coming down from the floor he shot from but claimed he was there to see his probation officer and released, so some higher-ups in the Dallas police were in on it.

The House Committee on Assassinations got it right, Kennedy's fatal shots were from the rear and the front at nearly the same time.

41 posted on 11/20/2013 10:57:27 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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