Skip to comments.WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 47 NOVEMBER 22, 2013
Posted on 11/22/2013 12:40:12 PM PST by greeneyes
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Here's another link to something that would have seemed impossible to me back then:
Good Afternoon to all. It's a chilly day today in Missouri. We are at 43 on our way to a low of 29 tonight. Gardening and foraging is almost to an end except for the winter garden with garlic, spinach, lettuce and carrots and the indoor garden.
I do have some winter wheat left, and a few spaces to plant it, so I will do that if we get a few nice days in the next couple of weeks.
I am making busy reorganizing and moving furniture to make space for gardening books, books on preserving foods etc. in one space. Bought a new larger bookcase, and added a small one to the kitchen. Also cleaning out a small pantry next to the basement kitchen door to store gardening supplies.
Hope you are all doing well. Southern Gardeners we are depending on you to provide news during our norhtern cold weather season.LOL Have a great weekend. God Bless.
My feral tobacco plant is absolutely unconcerned, and is growing like a weed.
Pinging the List.
I was gonna turn 9 the next day.. We were in a one room school house when a call came.
The day the Republic died.
OK, enough somber. :-)
A SAFE AND HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON TO ALL YOU FOLKS WITH DIRTY HANDS.. AND BIG SMILES!!!
How often do you get weather that cold in Texas? We are lucky in Missouri, that we get warmer spells all during the winter usually. Not like living in the Dakotas and other more northerly climates.
I too stay inside, usually with a nice warm throw, shawl, or sweater on and a cup of something hot to sip.
I have often felt that the one-room school was a better option for education than the big consolidated institutions we have today.
Earlier in the week, I was running around in cut-offs and no shirt, doing stuff out in the garden.
Won't be none of that nonsense today.
It’s a clear bright day in Benderville and I should be out emptying the pots on the deck. It was about 30 degrees early with lots of frost...
We had left a snowy neighborhood where we had to dig out the mailbox nearly every day so our mailman could deliver.
The warm morning air in Mizzou hit wife and I with the same idea at the same time. What the heck are we doing in Minnesota, freezing our tails off ?
Our MN house was sold the following July. We built new down here in 2001.
Our tomatoes here in the desert are really taking off....I think this year they’ll be ripe before the Super Bowl, their normal “schedule”.
It was 71* at 5am and it dropped to 50 by 8:30am with 10-20mph wind and 2hrs of rain this morning from about 6 to 8am. Headed for a low of 41* Haven’t been out to look at the rain gauge, I would guess 1-2ins.
Time to bring the peppers back inside.
Wasn’t a fan of JFK, so it’s just another day for me.
All eight of us kids went there,, we had some of the same teachers, grades 1-6 ,, How one teacher can keep 25 or more farm kids under control was no mystery. They were gentle yet firm, and some swung a nasty ruler. ;-) not that I advocate nor personally got re-attentioned.. Much
These teachers were expected to teach multiple topics, do all the testing and keep the heat on as well.. Used to be a wood coal furnace , later replaced by an oil one.
One wall was all books, it’s where I learned to read and read.
Windier than heck here last night, still some strong winds, we got an inch here on the bright side.
Frost? Bbrrrrr.. I need to load up on wood. Carryokie has a pile waiting for me, just need to brave the BurmaHump to get there.
We didn’t really get an Indian Summer here in my part of Western Pa. Usually there’s a couple of days of very warm weather somewhere around the middle of November where we can get some final work done in the garden and yard. We haven’t even had a chance to dig up horse radish! Maybe I’ll try digging some up tomorrow before the ground starts to freeze.
I have all my spring seeds listed in a Word document along with when to plant them and their maturity time to EAT THEM.
Plants are growing fine. I wrote the article below two days ago because I had been researching containers to see what to do for spring. Thought some of this might help someone:
ALL PLANT CONTAINERS ARE NOT EQUAL
When I first planted two cherry and one Roma tomato, I got two smaller and one larger clay pot that are like most pots larger at the top and slim down from there to a small bottom really dumb on my part to buy them. That was the end of my stupidity about plant containers.
They can mostly throw away all containers/pots that are larger at the top and smaller than a regular size saucer at the bottom. The roots of the plant will get root bound and stop growing and so does the plant. Dumb way to make a pot. I didnt buy any more like those first three and its a good thing they were really cheap.
The only good container/pot is a square one or round one that is the same size on the top as the bottom. There are a zillion for sale of the slim down kind but not that many that are square or round and the same size on the bottom. In fact, Ive never seen a good looking one that is round and the same size on the bottom.
You can spend yourself silly buying containers and not have enough money left to buy what you need to grow plants. For me, the ones on the deck need to look nice as that is the only place I have to sit outside and I dont want to sit outside in the middle of crappy containers. What I now have are nice looking plastic containers that I managed to find at really good lower prices. The last five I bought are square - 15 inches across at the top and the bottom. I need as much space across the top as possible for more plants to be in that container, plus room for the roots. I cant find any more of that kind I paid $8+ dollars for each of those and 5 was all they had and now they are $15 and more each, and I have looked at Sears, Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot, and Amazon for more of them at that lower price. I have other plastic nice looking containers on the deck and these last five will be all that goes on the deck.
I have a bunch of the fabric grow bags with plants sitting in the dirt garden in the net room. Im going to get black plastic round nursery pots 16 inches across the top and bottom, if I can find them, 15 inches if not, in which to put the rest of the plants this spring. I dont have to fill the entire container unless that plant is the type with a long root system or its a root veggie. That is the type plastic pot a plant is in when you buy it at Lowes or Walmart or wherever. Those are cheap and many people just throw those away and put their plant in a nicer container once they get it home. Ill get 20 of these cheap, large nursery containers and it wont break the bank.
You also have to size the container to the plant. The small pots I got for the first three tomatoes were too small. Those pots would be okay for herbs and thats what will go in them. I dont remember exactly, but I think they might have been something like $3 each. Hopefully, when I buy herbs at Lowes in the spring, they will be in a decent pot to keep them in. If not, Ill get those small cheap ones.
Maybe none of you need containers/pots. If you do, consider what Ive gone through to get the right containers. I really think the 14-15-16 inch across cheap nursery pots are the ideal if you dont have need for nice looking containers. Herbs, of course, can be in smaller ones.
Sounds good, I need to grow some veggies next year. Only a couple cats around these days.
Friday at 3pm...33F here in the Central TX Hill Country, and rain...Dang, I need to go cover my pentas in the front, and my impatiens, and two tomatoes which are not under the greenhouse I built..
I still haven’t done the firring strips. Guess I should have done it when we were at a warm 37 degrees. brrrr.
And presumably no pants on the roof either.LOL
Winter hits Benderville? LOL
I also have three Ouachita Blackberry plants that will be shipped Dec. 3. These are two year old plants and the info. said I could get blackberries this coming year,2014.
That’s great! I am a native Missourian, but I did spend 1 year in Vermillion, S. Dakota. It was interesting experience, and a very long, cold, and snowy winter. Snow was built up on the sides of the roads taller than our trailer.
I walked out to the mailbox one morning and sank into the snow drift up to my shoulders. Couldn’t wait to get back to Missouri Weather. LOL
Which varieties of Tomato do you plant?
Southwest Missouri where I grew up was “Reagan Territory” and my town was protestant with plenty of Baptist’s, so big fan’s weren’t around there either. But the idea of killing the President was not something that we thought would happen in our civilized age.
It was not about the man at all. Turns out he had more feet of clay than we realized at the time. It was that it could still happen in America. And never forget-That day handed LBJ the presidency and ushered in the Great Society.
Well, I didn’t really want to innundate the thread. Sorry. Yes, it sounds like you need to bring in those peppers before it gets even colder.
It’s been raining here in Phoenix since last night so my garden is wet, soggy and muddy. No pictures today. Rain is in the forecast until Sunday. At least the rain didn’t wash away or beat down the turnips and bok choy that were just coming up.
No overnight freezes here yet - those usually don’t come until mid-December to January for us.
Just waiting for the rain to stop and things to dry off!
I DO have a couple of pepper plants I started from seed indoors that I’ll be experimenting with. I’m growing ancho and a Korean pepper plant under lights indoors. Right now the ancho is about 3 inches tall and the Korean pepper just sprouted. We’ll see what they do and if they actually bear fruit off season.
Meanwhile I’ve been browsing eBay for seeds.
I think we would be better off, if we had smaller schools and children could learn at their own pace, and read, read, read if they got their work finished early.LOL
We sometimes have winters like that. Really cold and several snows before Thanksgiving. Prefer the warmer weather. LOL
Methinks video games and hanging out are cooler these days, than reading. OH well.
Here’s chokecherry jelly on your donut! lol
I just check my rain gauge and had 1 3/4ins of rain. I was at Lowes by 8:30 then on to HEB. Temp dropped 21* in three hours from 71 at 5-5:30 to 50 at 8, when the winds kicked in. It was a miserable, cold, wet trip into town. Was not raining at home when I left, drove through rain almost all the way, then none at Lowes or HEB. But now I have the hardware for my current project in the shop, also a $5 gallon of paint, and we will have baked taters for supper with really fresh wheat rolls from the bakery. It was worth the trip.
One of my wife’s Christmas presents came today, now I will wrap the first present before even putting up the fake tree.
Puppy is growing, working on house training, now she has discovered her barker. I tell her if she barks at everyone, she will have no friends. :)
I was going to take Prissy to the groomer today and have to get her there by 9 but I left a message to them about 7:45 that I wasn't taking her there. Next Monday has 80% chance of rain so my message was I would take her Tuesday. Now, that forecast may change by then.
I think I will use my Lantana flower plant in its pot for a Christmas tree or I'll use the Hummingbird plant as it is in a pot. Just put it on the coffee table and have instant tree - won't have to get out fake tree. I won't even do that if the sister-in-law and husband don't come.
I am starting a new bed with about 20 curb-picked big paper leaf bags from the next town over. Reading the seed catalogs already, and have a couple of Amy Goldman’s books out from the library, one about heirloom tomatoes and the other about melons.
What catalogs do you all recommend, for good seeds cheap? I like Pinetree, and sampleseeds dot com, and cherrygal seeds, and I think I’ll splurge a little on Baker Creek. I thought food gardening was supposed to save money but I always want to try new varieties, even when I save seeds from varieties I like!
I save all my nursery pots. When were getting blueberry plants and blackberry plants etc I collected quite a few and continue to use them. I do like the straight pots, because they can be set closer together.
However, I also have a bunch of those round self watering containers that I use on the patio, because they have the water resevoir in the bottom.
My indoor herb plants I plant in 6” pots with the resevoir too.
It’s a blistering hot 15 degrees and snowing outside. sposed to cool down to 3-5 degrees tonight... no a.c. needed lately!
I have grown peppers from seed as well as transplants from the garden. They both do well off season indoors. They are in front of a glass patio door facing south west, and have grow lights for dreary days and extending the daylight.
I keep the grow lights on after dark to extend the daylight hours to mimic summer time. They bloom pretty well, and are self fertile. I do plant them in smaller pots than I would if they were outside. The fruits tend to be a little smaller is all, but the perfect size when making a stir fry for two.
Well, I daresay my grandkids would agree. However, since video is conveniently available, reading works well for them at school as an incentive to finish the work and not dwadle.LOL
I have had sample seeds from wintersown.org that were quite reasonable. That is neither a recommendation, nor an endorsement. They do have an interesting site, and some how to articles.
I now save most of my seeds, but set a budget and order some new varieties from Baker Creek Seeds(Missouri Business Headquarters close to my home town LOL). I also like to order a few things from Bountiful Gardens. They almost always have something interesting to consider, as well as some very interesting books to read.
Neither is cheap. I have had some good deals from Burgess, but they are a pain to deal with, if you have to contact them for replacements or to straighten out an order.
No A/C indeed. What sort of heat do you rely on?
Us southern gardeners won’t be much help. It’s hovering around freezing today and won’t be improving any time soon. We’re in a winter storm watch. Roads were closed yesterday because of more flooding. It’s either drought or flood here.
I diced up all the peppers yesterday. Froze some and saved some out to make jelly but am being too lazy today to make it. Saved the seeds but am still curious what one is since it wasn’t anything like the picture on the package.
Added some grocery store Anasasi beans to the seed collection.
I should have done that too. However, I was knee deep in moving furniture necessitated by Hubby finishing putting the bookcase together, and ready to bolt it to the wall.
So I had to clear out the space, since the original space I was going to use was deemed by him to be unsuitable, and would require building a whole new wall.
Here is the St of MO; These are probably best for planting windbreaks and wildlife thickets; you can order , elderberries, persimmons, plums, and paw paws, $.40 to $.80 per seedlings usually in bundles of 10 or 25. (these are the trees with fruit; there are others.)
(order form with prices)
Kansas offers Sandhill plums, American plums, elderberry, golden current, choke cherries.
KS order form:
I think that there are better varieties of paw paws and persimmons for your orchard.
I live just over the Kansas border in a suburbe of KC. I am a frustrated gardener/orchardist!
Thanks to Pete from Shawnee Mission for the above info.
Sorry to here that your weather is less than stellar. Looks like it’s up to the green house and indoor gardeners today. LOL.
Regarding cherrygal seeds—a lot of people have had problems:
I would like to share a beautiful garden picture from the prepper thread post 47:
I ran myself completely out of Okra already.... food for thought for next years garden. I guess 3 or 4 in my navy bean recipe add up, haha.
I grew several heirloom tomato plants this year: Cherokee purples, stripers, etc. My favorites turned out to be the SunSugar cherry tomatoes and Yellow Boys. I just love the taste of the Yellow Boys, but the Old Germans have the most beautiful colors.
It’s cold here now, Think I’ll try some catfishing soon though, clear my lungs and head.
I grow great tomatoes in about 16” across plastic pots...set in front of the brick on the south side of our house....just have to make a greenhouse around them after planting out to protect from wind/cool weather in May/June... I buy plants, seeding here in W. Oregon is sometimes futile...get really good yield IF they get watered appropriately.
“I grow great tomatoes in about 16 across plastic pots”
That’s exactly what I want for many veggies.
If you can find a landscaper that is nearby or will bring them to you, they can be a great source for almost straight sided containers, they only taper just enough to be stackable. They are just trash to them that they have to pay to dump. I knew a landscaper that had the motherload of containers from small to massive in his back yard, must have been a thousand of them, all stacked upside down according to size. Just a thought for you.
Thanks for the thread, greeneyes!
My poor Christmas cactus has been struggling along despite benign neglect. I realized today I need to repot it and give its little toes some more room!
Marcella, I sent my order today for the tromboncino squash and the Cooking Off the Grid book. Thanks for the info on both of those items.
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
Glad you are getting the squash. You will read that cookbook from beginning to end because there is so much information besides recipes in there but you will also read the recipes because nothing in your fridge is used to cook any of that. She scaled down the recipe amounts also so there wouldn’t be a whole bunch of left overs since you would have no refrigeration. You can double the recipe of course if you have more people to feed than the original recipe.
The making cheese recipe is so simple and then using the peppercorns with that cheese makes a cheese that lasts days without refrigeration.
It’s just the best thing I have to make meals without power and no refrigerator.
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