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"If I go down, I'm taking every one of them with me"

Posted on 11/25/2013 12:31:28 AM PST by KJC1

If you heard this from a fellow co-coworker, an armed one no less (a police officer), how would you interpret this declaration?

And, he just went down, meaning lost his job finally after years of issuing threats against me and others. In fact, he told many witnesses to come and watch as he took me down. This individual has made it clear he blames me even though I was not around for many of the incidents, including his last one where he flipped out on officers from two other agencies. He lost his job on account of the last incident, involving none of us he has as his targets.

Why am I writing this vanity? I'm not sure entirely, other than to document it.

Believe it or not, I have in writing from my employing agency that they acknowledge that he made these statements.

I am a police officer who has crossed the thin blue line many times.


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1 posted on 11/25/2013 12:31:28 AM PST by KJC1
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To: KJC1

WTF!?

Prayers up for you my FRiend!!!!

Please stay safe.


2 posted on 11/25/2013 12:33:19 AM PST by Bobalu (Ted Cruz was right and his star now shines bright)
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To: KJC1

Internal Affairs, and leave of absense. Documenting it is good, but that isn’t going to preserve your life. This guy is a powder keg. Get your family far away until he has been dealt with properly.


3 posted on 11/25/2013 12:35:00 AM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: KJC1

Watch your back and stay safe.


4 posted on 11/25/2013 12:38:41 AM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: Bobalu

Thank you for the prayers. Seriously.


5 posted on 11/25/2013 12:39:25 AM PST by KJC1
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To: Salvavida

Thank you, but I think it’s too late for that. All I (and his other targets) can do is be armed and alert.


6 posted on 11/25/2013 12:41:11 AM PST by KJC1
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To: KJC1

This is a good time to take the family on vacation to a faraway land.


7 posted on 11/25/2013 12:44:30 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: KJC1

private detective to watch him at times when you are vulnerable?


8 posted on 11/25/2013 12:45:30 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: KJC1

The agency must have made some comment in the letter they wrote acknowledging his behavior - maybe that they are monitoring the situation - something... What did they say?


9 posted on 11/25/2013 12:46:08 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

You ask a great question. They quoted him and then stated that it was “not a physical threat” in order to clear him, despite, no kidding, 15+ witnesses to the contrary.


10 posted on 11/25/2013 12:55:03 AM PST by KJC1
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To: expat1000

As far as monitoring anything, that was/is the worst part of it.


11 posted on 11/25/2013 12:56:17 AM PST by KJC1
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To: KJC1

Small consolation, but this whole scenario just points out the weakness of “police protection” and why their is none.


12 posted on 11/25/2013 12:57:06 AM PST by wita
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To: KJC1
That is scary. Prayers for you. Maybe this guy needs a fifty one fifty? Then again that might tick him off more. Keep your eyes open.
13 posted on 11/25/2013 1:02:05 AM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: KJC1

This thread has creeped me out.

Maybe you should just bug out somewhere with your loved ones?

I’d hate to see a FReeper done in by a psycho. :-(


14 posted on 11/25/2013 1:02:40 AM PST by Bobalu (Ted Cruz was right and his star now shines bright)
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To: KJC1

Where I come from an explicit or even strongly implicit statement like that is assault - if you are fearful for your physical well being - if it has been witnessed by others and noted then you can either have him charged with assault (if it is the same under your jurisdiction) or at least carry a gun - any unexpected behavior by him, threats, following you or turning up at your house could duly constitute an imminent threat requiring you to discharge your weapon.


15 posted on 11/25/2013 1:03:17 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: KJC1

Watch Serpico, take 2 aspirin, and update us tomorrow.


16 posted on 11/25/2013 1:06:04 AM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Pajamajan

Thank you. He is beyond 5150. And he would not go willingly.


17 posted on 11/25/2013 1:07:51 AM PST by KJC1
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To: Rome2000

“Serpico” a great film.


18 posted on 11/25/2013 1:07:54 AM PST by Bobalu (Ted Cruz was right and his star now shines bright)
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To: melsec

This is cop v. cop bad situation. There’s a reason I started this thread. It’s not for lack of exhausting multiple resources.

It is very bad, and I understand that there is no happy answer/ending. Boy, do I know it!


19 posted on 11/25/2013 1:15:45 AM PST by KJC1
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To: KJC1

On one hand, I think you have problems. Something similar happened to me when we finally had to cut a substance abusing goldbrick loose from our workplace. Threats followed, they were documented, police were reported to, but nothing happened. When they do come back with evil intent -— and it is pretty rare -— they don’t come back for a year or more, so watch your back.

On the other hand, this is a former police officer you’re talking about. The bad eggs in law enforcement are the type of personality who became cops because they were too chicken to become real crooks. They usually amount to being complete sissies. I’ve personally been threatened by a unstable cop, one who didn’t like that my dad was dating an ex girlfriend of his. Completely unstable loon. He made telephone threats in the middle of the night to wire our car with explosives and to pick me off as I walked to school. Thats scary stuff for a 13 year old to hear. I learned at my fathers funeral years later from the female best friend of the woman my dad was dating that this cop died in a plane crash while performing aerobatics at an air show and I just burst out laughing, which was a pretty unseemly thing to do at your own fathers funeral. I was only too happy to explain my outburst to anyone who wanted to hear it. My dad dated some pretty trashy gold digging women after his divorce, I must say.

I doubt you’ll ever hear from him again, but you know what to do if he comes at you. Your departmental internal affairs needs to know that he made threats, of course.


20 posted on 11/25/2013 1:21:53 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: KJC1
You ask a great question. They quoted him and then stated that it was “not a physical threat” in order to clear him, despite, no kidding, 15+ witnesses to the contrary.

Some how I doubt that your superiors chose not to charge him with making a physical threat to clear him.

More likely it was a CYA moment.

If they charged him with making threats against your life they would then have to explain not taking action earlier (assuming that earlier reports were made documenting his earlier threats).

Such individuals are often ignored or their aberrant behavior dismissed because dealing with them properly is a major hassle and often leads to legal complications.

But if the man does go off and harms someone and the documentation is there showing he was identified as a serious threat they will be in hot water. But the odds are with them and they are for the most part protected by law.

21 posted on 11/25/2013 1:29:48 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: KJC1
Do the higher ups in your department remember Christopher Darden?

I'm shocked that they aren't taking this more seriously.

Darden had the whole state of California on lock down.

You'd think they would do everything they could to prevent another incident like that from happening.

22 posted on 11/25/2013 1:29:56 AM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

From your lips to God’s ears.

On my end this is a guy who was/is obsessed with dead cops and put up photos of them all over our office, and carried a shovel in the trunk of his patrol car. And he isn’t gone yet; he’s still around by virtue of his “retirement”.


23 posted on 11/25/2013 1:31:53 AM PST by KJC1
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To: KJC1
If you're born again, you have an advocate and friend that is SUCH a comfort and I personally feel a protective armor against the real threat(s) from this man.

If you're not born again, I'd re-think the supernatural world and call upon Jesus to come into your life.


You describe one of those impossible-to-control-by-yourself situations that are so frustrating because our rational mind really wants a magic wand ... which isn't rational.

I pray for you, my FRiend.

24 posted on 11/25/2013 1:33:57 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: KJC1

Well I hope for your sake he is just all mouth. Prayers for all of you anyway!

Mel


25 posted on 11/25/2013 1:35:48 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: KJC1

OMG!
This is so creepy.

This thread may someday be important... so keep a copy of it in case.

I’m not a super brave person. I’d probably flee if faced with something similar to this.


26 posted on 11/25/2013 1:37:19 AM PST by Bobalu (Ted Cruz was right and his star now shines bright)
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To: Pajamajan

What I’ve learned is that they assume they wont be the targets of the likes of my former co-worker or Christopher Dorner.


27 posted on 11/25/2013 1:39:51 AM PST by KJC1
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To: knarf

Thank you so much. Your kind words are so much appreciated.


28 posted on 11/25/2013 1:44:17 AM PST by KJC1
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To: melsec

Thank you, melsec. I need all the prayers I can get these days.


29 posted on 11/25/2013 1:45:27 AM PST by KJC1
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To: KJC1
I thought from the headline it would be about Barack Obama.

But it's not. Be careful, aware, and poised to respond.

30 posted on 11/25/2013 1:52:26 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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Hey, here’s something else: God is more powerful than anything, prayers actually DO work, I have seen them work. I will pray earnestly for your and your families safety.


31 posted on 11/25/2013 1:55:05 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Rome2000

I wouldnt want to live worrying about the family every day if he made direct threat to me or family I would get it over with.

I would him to meet face to face,If it talks out thats real good...if it doesnt ,well at least he doesnt get surprise on you.

Ive had something like this before when I was young...I couldnt find him to settle in any organized way.He was threatening my family....he caught me by surprise on the hwy ...with a shotgun in my face.I pulled over and he ordered me into his car.

I ended up punching him out at about 110 mph.....when I got the car stopped....I rolled out in the ditch.a cop on the other side went by ......and he sputtered off... :)
got a detached retina out of it.....blurry in my left eye for about a yr.from a punch, I didnt get shot.... The point being,I think its best to not get surprised like that.

He went to prison a month later for something I think it was 20 yrs.....I was lucky that day.... he was lucky that day too......................

Ive had a few problems like that over the yrs....the worst were after I quit drugs about 35 yrs ago.Some of the guys I knew back then didnt like the idea at all.

I wont tolerate worrying about something like that its not worth it...I would rather get it over with. If possible.

GLTU


32 posted on 11/25/2013 2:05:58 AM PST by Therapsid (t)
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To: KJC1
Maybe playing mind games on you.

If I was going to take someone or a group out, I wouldn't announce it to the world, not the best of tactics.

Protect yourself as best you can, look for weakness in your everyday routine, as with everybody, there are some.

33 posted on 11/25/2013 2:06:54 AM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: KJC1

I have nothing to offer you but my prayers. You have them.


34 posted on 11/25/2013 2:08:40 AM PST by Jemian (I do my best editing just after I hit the "post" button.)
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To: nvscanman

Amen.


36 posted on 11/25/2013 2:23:39 AM PST by robertwalker62
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To: nvscanman

Who said it was acceptable to treat anyone with (insert whatever your cause/complaint) is?

Certainly not me.


37 posted on 11/25/2013 2:26:18 AM PST by KJC1
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To: nvscanman; KJC1; admin

I would give an honorable FREEPER cop the benefit of the doubt(who has been here longer than you by the way) before lumping him in with the bad seed cops. Your post was way out of line and an unjust attack on a FREEPER personage you probably no nothing about! Bearing False witness, whether by snark or by direct speech can get you a little attention from a “higher policing authority”.!


38 posted on 11/25/2013 2:40:52 AM PST by mdmathis6
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Dorner- That was the name I was thinking of-not Darden.

You say your coworkers don't think they will be targeted, but Dorner went after family members of people.

I mean you'd think they wouldn't want to take chances after that happened.

39 posted on 11/25/2013 2:43:31 AM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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There's good police officers and there's bad police officers. The ones on this forum tend to be conservative, good people. We need them both on the force, and in this forum.

Stand down.

40 posted on 11/25/2013 2:44:36 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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Stay safe man.
41 posted on 11/25/2013 2:46:11 AM PST by McGruff (Obama lied. Period!)
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To: CyberAnt

Cyber ant-Thought maybe you might have some relevant input here? or at least some payers, if nothing else.


42 posted on 11/25/2013 2:56:33 AM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: Lazamataz
There's good police officers and there's bad police officers.

There are probably people on this forum who have been abused by the police in the past...one should not metaphorically beat on a fellow Freeper, but I cut posters some slack when I have no idea where they might be coming from...it is always possible that the poster lost a family member, friend or a dog to the police at some point.

43 posted on 11/25/2013 3:02:49 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: KJC1

I wish I had some practical advice here, but all I can offer is my prayers and best thoughts for you and your family, KJC1. Stay safe, man.


44 posted on 11/25/2013 3:03:23 AM PST by DemforBush (A Repo Man is *always* intense.)
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To: who knows what evil?
I understand. Your point is decent.

Still, this guy -- being here from 2004 with a good record of being on 'our team' and even possibly likely to fight on our side if the police are ordered to implement the outright tyranny -- this guy, he's the wrong target.

45 posted on 11/25/2013 3:06:03 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: KJC1

Guess I’ll be the odd man out and state there’s not enough background to make an informed decision. This vanity post could be documentation for you to CYA good or bad.


46 posted on 11/25/2013 3:07:34 AM PST by maddog55
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To: KJC1

Christopher Dorner

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner

Christopher Jordan Dorner (June 4, 1979 – February 12, 2013)[4][5] was a former LAPD police officer and United States Navy Reserve officer who was charged in connection with a series of shooting attacks on police officers and their families from February 3–12, 2013. The attacks left four people dead, including three police officers, and left three police officers wounded. Dorner was the subject of one of the largest manhunts in LAPD history,[6] spanning two U.S. states and Mexico.[7]

On February 11, 2013 the Riverside District Attorney filed charges against Dorner for the murder of a police officer and the attempted murder of three other officers.[8] The following day, Dorner died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head, during a stand-off with police at a cabin in the San Bernardino Mountains.

Up until the shootings, Dorner was living in La Palma with his mother. Dorner left no children and court records show that his wife filed for divorce in 2007.[9]


47 posted on 11/25/2013 3:21:27 AM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: KJC1

I would convince him that I’m not his enemy and throw him a bone or two so as to stay out of his crosshairs.


48 posted on 11/25/2013 4:00:39 AM PST by RC one
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I will pray a novena for you. Cop or civilian of course has nothing to do with it - someone has threatened your life and is unstable and the laws cannot protect you here, cop or civilian.

You can do two things - get your soul in order, that you pray for this guy, sincerely, and accept the fact that he would decide the day and time, or some emotional trigger would/could, and that you will be at peace with accepting the outcome and would forgive him right there.

You could then contact him by phone, apologize that he’s suffering so, and ask to meet him in a safe unarmed place, like a courthouse or airport - and face this man you have been praying for, and ask him to forgive the folks he’s angry with so he can start a new life without that anger burden on his chest, for his own sake as well as for the others who need their own burdens lifted by forgiveness.

If he’s not right, this could accelerate things, but at least they will be clear and gotten over with. On the other hand, he may just need to see someone gave a dang, not as a new friend, but as a concerned human being, trying to learn from Christ.

Living in fear is worse than death. Facing it down with the love and mercy of Christ is the only life.


49 posted on 11/25/2013 4:01:09 AM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: KJC1

Have a neighbor who`s a vet, would mix his prescriptions into a cocktail and then stalk his neighbors saying he was going to kill them. When he said “and I`ll cut your throat, too, fat boy” I laid my left hand on his right shoulder and plucked his windpipe with my right, and squeezed both.

He still lives here but he`s reformed...no more “killing sprees”. We`re friendly enough.


50 posted on 11/25/2013 4:29:26 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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