Skip to comments."If I go down, I'm taking every one of them with me"
Posted on 11/25/2013 12:31:28 AM PST by KJC1
If you heard this from a fellow co-coworker, an armed one no less (a police officer), how would you interpret this declaration?
And, he just went down, meaning lost his job finally after years of issuing threats against me and others. In fact, he told many witnesses to come and watch as he took me down. This individual has made it clear he blames me even though I was not around for many of the incidents, including his last one where he flipped out on officers from two other agencies. He lost his job on account of the last incident, involving none of us he has as his targets.
Why am I writing this vanity? I'm not sure entirely, other than to document it.
Believe it or not, I have in writing from my employing agency that they acknowledge that he made these statements.
I am a police officer who has crossed the thin blue line many times.
Prayers up for you my FRiend!!!!
Please stay safe.
Internal Affairs, and leave of absense. Documenting it is good, but that isn’t going to preserve your life. This guy is a powder keg. Get your family far away until he has been dealt with properly.
Watch your back and stay safe.
Thank you for the prayers. Seriously.
Thank you, but I think it’s too late for that. All I (and his other targets) can do is be armed and alert.
This is a good time to take the family on vacation to a faraway land.
private detective to watch him at times when you are vulnerable?
The agency must have made some comment in the letter they wrote acknowledging his behavior - maybe that they are monitoring the situation - something... What did they say?
You ask a great question. They quoted him and then stated that it was “not a physical threat” in order to clear him, despite, no kidding, 15+ witnesses to the contrary.
As far as monitoring anything, that was/is the worst part of it.
Small consolation, but this whole scenario just points out the weakness of “police protection” and why their is none.
This thread has creeped me out.
Maybe you should just bug out somewhere with your loved ones?
I’d hate to see a FReeper done in by a psycho. :-(
Where I come from an explicit or even strongly implicit statement like that is assault - if you are fearful for your physical well being - if it has been witnessed by others and noted then you can either have him charged with assault (if it is the same under your jurisdiction) or at least carry a gun - any unexpected behavior by him, threats, following you or turning up at your house could duly constitute an imminent threat requiring you to discharge your weapon.
Watch Serpico, take 2 aspirin, and update us tomorrow.
Thank you. He is beyond 5150. And he would not go willingly.
“Serpico” a great film.
This is cop v. cop bad situation. There’s a reason I started this thread. It’s not for lack of exhausting multiple resources.
It is very bad, and I understand that there is no happy answer/ending. Boy, do I know it!
On one hand, I think you have problems. Something similar happened to me when we finally had to cut a substance abusing goldbrick loose from our workplace. Threats followed, they were documented, police were reported to, but nothing happened. When they do come back with evil intent -— and it is pretty rare -— they don’t come back for a year or more, so watch your back.
On the other hand, this is a former police officer you’re talking about. The bad eggs in law enforcement are the type of personality who became cops because they were too chicken to become real crooks. They usually amount to being complete sissies. I’ve personally been threatened by a unstable cop, one who didn’t like that my dad was dating an ex girlfriend of his. Completely unstable loon. He made telephone threats in the middle of the night to wire our car with explosives and to pick me off as I walked to school. Thats scary stuff for a 13 year old to hear. I learned at my fathers funeral years later from the female best friend of the woman my dad was dating that this cop died in a plane crash while performing aerobatics at an air show and I just burst out laughing, which was a pretty unseemly thing to do at your own fathers funeral. I was only too happy to explain my outburst to anyone who wanted to hear it. My dad dated some pretty trashy gold digging women after his divorce, I must say.
I doubt you’ll ever hear from him again, but you know what to do if he comes at you. Your departmental internal affairs needs to know that he made threats, of course.
Some how I doubt that your superiors chose not to charge him with making a physical threat to clear him.
More likely it was a CYA moment.
If they charged him with making threats against your life they would then have to explain not taking action earlier (assuming that earlier reports were made documenting his earlier threats).
Such individuals are often ignored or their aberrant behavior dismissed because dealing with them properly is a major hassle and often leads to legal complications.
But if the man does go off and harms someone and the documentation is there showing he was identified as a serious threat they will be in hot water. But the odds are with them and they are for the most part protected by law.
I'm shocked that they aren't taking this more seriously.
Darden had the whole state of California on lock down.
You'd think they would do everything they could to prevent another incident like that from happening.
From your lips to God’s ears.
On my end this is a guy who was/is obsessed with dead cops and put up photos of them all over our office, and carried a shovel in the trunk of his patrol car. And he isn’t gone yet; he’s still around by virtue of his “retirement”.
If you're not born again, I'd re-think the supernatural world and call upon Jesus to come into your life.
You describe one of those impossible-to-control-by-yourself situations that are so frustrating because our rational mind really wants a magic wand ... which isn't rational.
I pray for you, my FRiend.
Well I hope for your sake he is just all mouth. Prayers for all of you anyway!
This is so creepy.
This thread may someday be important... so keep a copy of it in case.
I’m not a super brave person. I’d probably flee if faced with something similar to this.
What I’ve learned is that they assume they wont be the targets of the likes of my former co-worker or Christopher Dorner.
Thank you so much. Your kind words are so much appreciated.
Thank you, melsec. I need all the prayers I can get these days.
But it's not. Be careful, aware, and poised to respond.
Hey, here’s something else: God is more powerful than anything, prayers actually DO work, I have seen them work. I will pray earnestly for your and your families safety.
I wouldnt want to live worrying about the family every day if he made direct threat to me or family I would get it over with.
I would him to meet face to face,If it talks out thats real good...if it doesnt ,well at least he doesnt get surprise on you.
Ive had something like this before when I was young...I couldnt find him to settle in any organized way.He was threatening my family....he caught me by surprise on the hwy ...with a shotgun in my face.I pulled over and he ordered me into his car.
I ended up punching him out at about 110 mph.....when I got the car stopped....I rolled out in the ditch.a cop on the other side went by ......and he sputtered off... :)
got a detached retina out of it.....blurry in my left eye for about a yr.from a punch, I didnt get shot.... The point being,I think its best to not get surprised like that.
He went to prison a month later for something I think it was 20 yrs.....I was lucky that day.... he was lucky that day too......................
Ive had a few problems like that over the yrs....the worst were after I quit drugs about 35 yrs ago.Some of the guys I knew back then didnt like the idea at all.
I wont tolerate worrying about something like that its not worth it...I would rather get it over with. If possible.
If I was going to take someone or a group out, I wouldn't announce it to the world, not the best of tactics.
Protect yourself as best you can, look for weakness in your everyday routine, as with everybody, there are some.
I have nothing to offer you but my prayers. You have them.
Who said it was acceptable to treat anyone with (insert whatever your cause/complaint) is?
Certainly not me.
I would give an honorable FREEPER cop the benefit of the doubt(who has been here longer than you by the way) before lumping him in with the bad seed cops. Your post was way out of line and an unjust attack on a FREEPER personage you probably no nothing about! Bearing False witness, whether by snark or by direct speech can get you a little attention from a “higher policing authority”.!
You say your coworkers don't think they will be targeted, but Dorner went after family members of people.
I mean you'd think they wouldn't want to take chances after that happened.
Cyber ant-Thought maybe you might have some relevant input here? or at least some payers, if nothing else.
There are probably people on this forum who have been abused by the police in the past...one should not metaphorically beat on a fellow Freeper, but I cut posters some slack when I have no idea where they might be coming from...it is always possible that the poster lost a family member, friend or a dog to the police at some point.
I wish I had some practical advice here, but all I can offer is my prayers and best thoughts for you and your family, KJC1. Stay safe, man.
Still, this guy -- being here from 2004 with a good record of being on 'our team' and even possibly likely to fight on our side if the police are ordered to implement the outright tyranny -- this guy, he's the wrong target.
Guess I’ll be the odd man out and state there’s not enough background to make an informed decision. This vanity post could be documentation for you to CYA good or bad.
Christopher Jordan Dorner (June 4, 1979 February 12, 2013) was a former LAPD police officer and United States Navy Reserve officer who was charged in connection with a series of shooting attacks on police officers and their families from February 312, 2013. The attacks left four people dead, including three police officers, and left three police officers wounded. Dorner was the subject of one of the largest manhunts in LAPD history, spanning two U.S. states and Mexico.
On February 11, 2013 the Riverside District Attorney filed charges against Dorner for the murder of a police officer and the attempted murder of three other officers. The following day, Dorner died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head, during a stand-off with police at a cabin in the San Bernardino Mountains.
Up until the shootings, Dorner was living in La Palma with his mother. Dorner left no children and court records show that his wife filed for divorce in 2007.
I would convince him that I’m not his enemy and throw him a bone or two so as to stay out of his crosshairs.
I will pray a novena for you. Cop or civilian of course has nothing to do with it - someone has threatened your life and is unstable and the laws cannot protect you here, cop or civilian.
You can do two things - get your soul in order, that you pray for this guy, sincerely, and accept the fact that he would decide the day and time, or some emotional trigger would/could, and that you will be at peace with accepting the outcome and would forgive him right there.
You could then contact him by phone, apologize that he’s suffering so, and ask to meet him in a safe unarmed place, like a courthouse or airport - and face this man you have been praying for, and ask him to forgive the folks he’s angry with so he can start a new life without that anger burden on his chest, for his own sake as well as for the others who need their own burdens lifted by forgiveness.
If he’s not right, this could accelerate things, but at least they will be clear and gotten over with. On the other hand, he may just need to see someone gave a dang, not as a new friend, but as a concerned human being, trying to learn from Christ.
Living in fear is worse than death. Facing it down with the love and mercy of Christ is the only life.
Have a neighbor who`s a vet, would mix his prescriptions into a cocktail and then stalk his neighbors saying he was going to kill them. When he said “and I`ll cut your throat, too, fat boy” I laid my left hand on his right shoulder and plucked his windpipe with my right, and squeezed both.
He still lives here but he`s reformed...no more “killing sprees”. We`re friendly enough.