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And So It Begins: New York City Sending Out Gun Confiscation Notices
The Truth About Guns ^ | Nov 27, 2013 | Robert Farago

Posted on 11/27/2013 7:32:08 AM PST by Kip Russell

New York’s SAFE Act is a bad, bad thing. It requires people to register, sell or transfer (out of state) “assault rifles” and “high capacity” magazines. Many Empire State gun and standard capacity ammunition magazine owners have complied. Many have not. So, at some point, the State’s gonna go get ‘em. People on both sides of the law enforcement divide will die and the s will hit the fan. Meanwhile, there it is: the reason why expanded background checks, indeed all background checks and any type of registration, set the stage for confiscation. And tyranny.


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; billdeblasio; bluezones; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkslimes; nyc

1 posted on 11/27/2013 7:32:08 AM PST by Kip Russell
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To: Kip Russell

...And what happens to the Americans who refuse to obey these Stalinists?


2 posted on 11/27/2013 7:33:44 AM PST by Prole
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To: Kip Russell

All that over a Marlin .22? Lol


3 posted on 11/27/2013 7:34:22 AM PST by struggle
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To: Kip Russell
Kip - this seems to be an NYC only thingy - and cites a different code

just sayin -

and yes....the safe act is crap

4 posted on 11/27/2013 7:35:36 AM PST by Revelation 911 (if "meat is murder" what is abortion?)
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To: Kip Russell

Trial run for the whole country.


5 posted on 11/27/2013 7:37:07 AM PST by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: Kip Russell

This would be the bridge too far for me. I would end up dead.


6 posted on 11/27/2013 7:38:48 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Prole
...And what happens to the Americans who refuse to obey these Stalinists?

They get arrested. And since legal gun in NYC is registered, they know exactly where to find them.

7 posted on 11/27/2013 7:39:06 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Revelation 911
Kip - this seems to be an NYC only thingy - and cites a different cod

Yes, now that I look at it the headline of the article should read "NYC", not "NY". If any mod would like to correct it, that would be cool.

8 posted on 11/27/2013 7:41:40 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

Hmmm....seems like someone could make some money setting up a reliable storage facility out-of-state.

New York can’t regulate property in Wyoming.


9 posted on 11/27/2013 7:42:00 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: Prole
...And what happens to the Americans who refuse to obey these Stalinists?

The cops show up at your door to confiscate the "illegal" weapons. Happened to a friend who lived on Staten Island in the 90s. His wife had failed to renew the registration on his long guns on time.

10 posted on 11/27/2013 7:45:04 AM PST by Roccus
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To: Kip Russell
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago, 1918-1956
11 posted on 11/27/2013 7:45:23 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: subterfuge
Trial run for the whole country.

20 to 50 years away...but yes. I expect "Canada" levels of gun control within the next few decades at the national level, and "UK" levels by the end of the 21st Century.

12 posted on 11/27/2013 7:46:22 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Lazamataz

Molon labe. This is only one reason why I have turned down work in NY.


13 posted on 11/27/2013 7:47:20 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Kip Russell

“And while we’re at it, pal, we’ll confiscate that jumbo soft drink as well.”


14 posted on 11/27/2013 7:47:34 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Kip Russell

Registration is a necessary precursor to confiscation.


15 posted on 11/27/2013 7:47:43 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Lazamataz

At first glance I’m not sure how they intend to enforce this. looks like it has some holes in it to me.


16 posted on 11/27/2013 7:48:04 AM PST by V_TWIN
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17 posted on 11/27/2013 7:49:55 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: JoeDetweiler
Hmmm....seems like someone could make some money setting up a reliable storage facility out-of-state. New York can’t regulate property in Wyoming.

If you plan on moving out of NY in the next few years, such a facility would be useful. If you don't...what's the point? (my guns are locked up 2,000 miles away where no one will ever fire or even see them...yay!)

The vast majority of NYC gun owners who receive such letters will either sell their forbidden firearms out-of-state, or turn them in.

18 posted on 11/27/2013 7:51:08 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: V_TWIN
At first glance I’m not sure how they intend to enforce this. looks like it has some holes in it to me.

Since these are registered guns...

1. Send out a letter such as the one in the OP.
2. If the gun owner doesn't comply after a short time (say, a month), contact him again and explain that if he doesn't comply, he will be in violation of the law.
3. Shortly thereafter, show up at his doorstep (with a SWAT team as backup) and order him to turn over his property.
4. If he resists, kill him.

19 posted on 11/27/2013 7:55:44 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

That notice is from New York City, not New York State.

The 5 round maximum has nothing to do with the NYS unSafe Act. That was the ridiclous law in New York City prior to Emperor Cuomo’s unSafe Act. Outside of NYC you can have big, scary 10 round magazines (up from 7 rounds in the original version of the unSafe Act) but can only load 7 rounds, except at a shooting range.

Henry sells 5 round magazines (standard is 8 rounds) for the AR-7, so the gun owner who received that notice should be able to make it NYC legal, if it is not already.

From what I can tell the Marlin 25N comes with a 7 round mag, which is no good in NYC. Pretty ridiculous that a much higher powered semi-auto with a 5 round mag (like a Mini-14 Ranch Rifle) is legal, but a 22 bolt action that holds 7 is not.


20 posted on 11/27/2013 7:58:34 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade (The people have the right to tell government what guns it may possess, not the other way around.)
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To: Kip Russell

>>>Since these are registered guns...

1. Send out a letter such as the one in the OP.
2. If the gun owner doesn’t comply after a short time (say, a month), contact him again and explain that if he doesn’t comply, he will be in violation of the law.
3. Shortly thereafter, show up at his doorstep (with a SWAT team as backup) and order him to turn over his property.
4. If he resists, kill him.<<<

In NYC, I think they would start with #4 and work their way back.


21 posted on 11/27/2013 7:59:37 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade (The people have the right to tell government what guns it may possess, not the other way around.)
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To: Above My Pay Grade
That notice is from New York City, not New York State.

I just copied & pasted the headline, should have read it more closely.

22 posted on 11/27/2013 8:01:28 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: struggle; Kip Russell
People on both sides of the law enforcement divide will die and the s will hit the fan.

This seems a bit over the top to me. I doubt the gun owners will resist with physical force. Maybe I'm wrong.

All that over a Marlin .22?

And an AR-7. A high capacity ammunition feeding device on one of those is kind of a moot point, since they rarely fire two rounds in a row without jamming (the ones I've handled anyway).

23 posted on 11/27/2013 8:02:41 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether the majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: Kip Russell

we don’t need no stinkin mods :)


24 posted on 11/27/2013 8:06:37 AM PST by Revelation 911 (if "meat is murder" what is abortion?)
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To: Kip Russell

Pull out a copy of the Constitution and show it to the govt thugs


25 posted on 11/27/2013 8:16:45 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: Hardastarboard
This seems a bit over the top to me. I doubt the gun owners will resist with physical force. Maybe I'm wrong.

I agree that it's over the top, and I don't think you're wrong. For all of the anonymous, "They'll have to carry me out in a body bag before I comply!" posts one sees on the internet, the fact remains that rather draconian gun control laws have been passed in a number of states, and we have yet to see a rash of "Unintended Consequences"-style resistance. The vast majority of gun owners have either complied with such laws or quietly ignored them while hoping to fly under the radar.

Heck, I'll give a personal example. Here in Colorado, a law was passed earlier this year that outlaws the sale or transfer of magazines that hold more than 15 rounds (8 rounds if it's a shotgun mag). Magazines possessed before the law took effect on June 1st are still legal, though. My response? Buy a thousand dollars worth of normal capacity magazines, some for firearms I don't even own (but plan to later). I'm in full compliance with the law.

Now, if a letter such as the one above was sent to me demanding that I either sell my mags/guns or turn them in, what would I do? It's extraordinarily easy to be a keyboard commando and say that you're going to fire the first shot at Fort Sumter in Civil War: The Sequel, but when the feces strikes the rotating airfoil...it's a bit different, isn't it? Especially when you look around and don't see anyone else resisting.

26 posted on 11/27/2013 8:18:09 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

Meanwhile the bolshevik government exempt rulers use and abuse our government against ourselves for its own off shored security and money.


27 posted on 11/27/2013 8:22:08 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: Kip Russell

FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION


28 posted on 11/27/2013 8:23:00 AM PST by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Kip Russell

I sold or traded off all that stuff at a gun show in Virginia.


29 posted on 11/27/2013 8:24:13 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Kip Russell

But no one is talking Confiscation. /sarc.


30 posted on 11/27/2013 8:32:09 AM PST by StaffiT (It takes a special kind of stupidity to think criminals will obey gun laws)
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To: smokingfrog
I sold or traded off all that stuff at a gun show in Virginia.

Given that this is NYC we're speaking of, I'm not so sure that would work.

Officer: "Sir, our records show that you have 12 firearms that have retroactively been made illegal to possess. I'm here to confiscate them."

NYC Gun owner: (smugly) "I lost them in a boating accident 5 years ago"

Officer: "That being the case, you do have records showing that you reported the loss of these registered firearms to the proper authorities shortly after this 'accident', do you not?"

Gun owner: "I...er...uh..."

Officer: (getting out his cuffs) "You have the right to remain silent. Any thing you say..."

31 posted on 11/27/2013 8:33:50 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

Come and take it.


32 posted on 11/27/2013 8:48:30 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Above My Pay Grade
Shortly thereafter, show up at his doorstep (with a SWAT team as backup) and order him to turn over his property.

What would be the response to a sad story about that "unfortunate boating accident last summer?"

The (former) gun-owner has committed no crime - he has merely "lost" his (until then legal) firearms (and how can you be expected to "prove" that something has been lost?).

Could a judge legally issue a search warrant, even though no crime has been committed?

Regards,

33 posted on 11/27/2013 8:49:32 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Kip Russell

Of course they plan to confiscate all the illegal guns on the streets, right? That was their plan, right?

Wrong. Their plan is to confiscate guns from honest, law-abiding non-violent citizens and deliberately leave them in the hands of violent criminals.


34 posted on 11/27/2013 8:50:59 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Kip Russell

Is NYPD going to set up a special gun confiscation SWAT team?

Will they get hazardous duty pay?


35 posted on 11/27/2013 8:51:21 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Kip Russell

Unconstitutional. See Heller.


36 posted on 11/27/2013 8:52:15 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: alexander_busek
What would be the response to a sad story about that "unfortunate boating accident last summer?"

See my response, #31 in this thread.

37 posted on 11/27/2013 8:55:36 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: tgusa

I would love to see that as the response of every recipient of one of these letters: “MOLON LABE” written in black Sharpie across the face of the notice and mailed back to the NYPD.


38 posted on 11/27/2013 9:13:30 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: Kip Russell

It is time to for conservative “community activists” to educate the public about the right of jurors to decline to convict when these cases come to trial.


39 posted on 11/27/2013 9:43:49 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Kip Russell
... but when the feces strikes the rotating airfoil...it's a bit different, isn't it? Especially when you look around and don't see anyone else resisting.

I agree. If I actually went out and did what many, including myself, write we would do I think about 90% of the people here on FR would call me a lunatic and the other 10% would say I was a patriot while sitting on their thumbs.

While a few may talk the talk the time is never right to step up to the plate and defend our liberties and freedom.

40 posted on 11/27/2013 10:32:08 AM PST by OldMissileer
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To: Kip Russell

SO, apart from the sheer arrogance and legislative stupidity of this POS law, it’s not enough to ‘certify’ that the firearm is no longer within the city limits? Now, you have to, also, report the precise location of the firearm, outside the city?

Pound Sand, NYC.


41 posted on 11/27/2013 10:41:20 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: Prole

This is a perfect opportunity for communities or neighborhoods to organize. Police typically will target a single home or individual and deploy an army against it, knowing that the overwhelming force will afford the effort success. It’s a slightly different story if they have to take on an entire neighborhood, with ideal sniper hides, equal force, and the prospect of heavy losses.


42 posted on 11/27/2013 10:44:00 AM PST by DPMD
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43 posted on 11/27/2013 10:46:05 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Prole
...And what happens to the Americans who refuse to obey these Stalinists?

A "vacation" in one of those neat little FEMA camps?

44 posted on 11/27/2013 11:05:04 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: V_TWIN

Exactly. Even if the new mayor wanted to “raid” some legal gunowners, what’s he gonna do, get warrants for every single registered rifle in the city? That’s assuming that you could even get a warrant based on a registration list.

So they’re going to go the “voluntary compliance” route, and see if they can get guys to barf on themselves.


45 posted on 11/27/2013 12:08:33 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Lazamataz
This would be the bridge too far for me. I would end up dead.

Not so fast there Laz, somebody has to be the last one standing. It might just as well be one of us "good guy's"

46 posted on 11/27/2013 8:33:36 PM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Kip Russell.


47 posted on 11/28/2013 4:05:44 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: JoeDetweiler

NY Freepers can feel free to give their now illegal guns to this Texan. I can then choose to “store” them wherever I choose, right?


48 posted on 11/30/2013 9:32:39 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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