Skip to comments.The Last Confederate General, General Joe Shelby
Posted on 12/02/2013 7:25:15 AM PST by NKP_Vet
Refusing to surrender he led his men on an epic 1500 mile flight through the anarchy of a lost war to continue the fight.
Joseph Orville Shelby was born December 12, 1830 in Lexington, Kentucky. He was classically educated at Transylvania University before moving to Missouri. Before the civil war He was a hemp rope manufacturer and espoused the pro-slavery cause and took active part in several shady schemes to make Kansas a slave state. At the beginning of the war he accepted a commission as a Captain of Cavalry in the Missouri Confederate militia, being bloodied at the Battle of Wilson Creek in 1861. He was made a colonel in 1862 and raised his own regiment of cavalry. This regiment grew to the size of a brigade of which he was made the General of at the age of 32 in 1863. He led this "Iron Brigade" on a famous raid on the longest cavalry raid of the war behind Union lines in Missouri. The 43 day raid from September 22 to November 3, 1863, saw Shelby and his 600 man brigade travel over 1,500 miles, inflict more than 1,000 casualties on Union forces, and capture or destroy $2 million worth of enemy supplies. He captured the federal garrisons at Neosho, Greenfield, Stockton, Hermanville, Warsaw, Boonville and Marshall, Missouri. In 1864 the Iron Brigade fought Union troops at the Battle of the Little Blue and the Battle of Westport where it twice saved the Confederate Army it was attached to from defeat. The end of the war found Shelby; now a Major General in Arkansas recruiting for his unit now encamped in Texas awaiting re-enforcement.
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History is interesting and amazing.
I will never understand why they felt that was but also never fault those people who lived within the times and felt the way they did.
is this the real story on which that movie about confederate troops crossing from Texas into mexico?
On a side note he must have been a hell of a leader and great tactician
Great Guy but not the last general. Shelby died in 1897, Longstreet died in 1904.
My 3rd great grandfather was at the Battle of Prairie Grove on the Union side fighting against Gen. Joseph Orville Shelby.
I assume that Shelby County, Texas is named after him.
Nope. Just answered my own question. Named after Issac Shelby, a revolutionary was hero.
His story tells us a lot about how magnanimous the Union was to defeated Confederates.
He not only engaged in insurrection domestically, he fled to Mexico and offered to fight for a foreign emperor.
After the complete failure of his plans, he skulked his way back into the United States and was never prosecuted.
In fact, he became a US Marshal toward the end of his life, taking money from the federal government to enforce the same federal law he evaded.
A very interesting personality.
He was related to Isaac Shelby. The Shelby family was very influential in Kentucky for decades.
Except of course that Westport was a decisive defeat for the Confederates. Shelby's cavalry might well have saved the army from complete destruction, though, mainly by regard actions in the defeat.
Grew up not far from the battle site.
Our local paper, The Up to the Minute News Gazette, announced Shelby’s sudden and unexpected death early this morning. He is survived by family members who were still alive.
It was decided, the paper reported, that Shelby will not be buried in one of the race cars he built.
The Up to the Minute News Gazette is on top of the news like green on a cow pond.
John Wayne's “The Undefeated”, wonder how Shelby would have felt with his character being played by Rock Hudson?
Shelby's Iron Brigade broke up soon after getting to Mexico, he returned to Missouri in about a year. Under Missouri's Drake constitution he would have had to of taken an oath to uphold the Union upon his return.
He also was a witness for the defense at the trial of the famed outlaw Frank James who had rode with Shelby when Quantrill had joined forces with Shelby in Missouri. According to Bob Priddy in his book Across Our Wide Missouri Shelby, “showed up a the trial intoxicated, had to be helped to the witness chair, then carried on a drunken conservation with the judge. He argued with attorneys, tried to get up and shake hands with James, and cussed out Dick Liddil, a member of the gang who had turned state's evidence. He was fined for contempt.”
Jubal Early was another great confederate general who never surrendered. Although “pardoned” by Andrew Johnson he remained “unreconstructed” to the day he died. And he never apologized for serving his country (Virginia).
Was he treated magnanimous too NKP?
Don’t they just kill you...such effing preeners
they are vomit worthy
as I grow older it’s easy to understand why if hadn’t been expansion of slavery or states rights or armed invasion it woulda been something else
two distinct personality types on the same continent
and now here they come again in their unarmed invasion
Not the last general to pass, the last C.S.A. general to quit the war.
My favorite quote from old Jube is “What a gentle institution slavery must have been to have so well prepared the Negro for the ballet box.”
His sarcasm was aimed at the carpet bagger government which saw the majority of the South Carolina legislature made up of Blacks. Both of Mississippi’s senators were Black. Many Whites were completely disinfranchised and suffered through the “reconstructed government” and its theft of their property, over-taxation, common crime unpunished and unpursued, as well as arrogant and corrupt occupation forces.
He had no command left to surrender.
He ran away to Mexico by himself and then went to Canada.
He was pardoned by Johnson, and as soon as he was sure he was pardoned he came back to the US and got his law license reinstated.
Because of his dismissal by Lee, the debate over his "greatness" as a general is ongoing.
One of the reasons why he was dismissed was because of his smallminded carping in which he blamed his own troops for his failure at Cedar Creek.
Few people could compete with John B. Gordon in terms of who was the most "unreconstructed" - and Gordon, who surrendered at Appomattox with Lee, did not have much regard for the abilities of Early.
The South Carolina population was almost 60% black at the time.
Why wouldn't the state legislature reflect that?
No doubt SC’s large black population gave the then Republicans control but it was because the blacks were influenced/ intimidated to vote for any republican running.
and the governance of the elected republicans was corrupt and destructive
which caused the white people to strengthen the Democratic party, not just in SC but in all southern states. That Dem control continued for a hundred years
and it was pretty corrupt and destructive as well.
Politics really is a cesspool
“The South Carolina population was almost 60% black at the time.
Why wouldn’t the state legislature reflect that?”
Maybe because our goal has never been a pure democracy. And illiterate carpet-bagger-controlled “officials” make for a government that is impossible to live under.
general joe wheeler died in 1906.
Is he buried there in a marked grave?
Oh, I understand that.
What I don't understand is why it would be considered malfeasance to have a majority black state have a majority black legislature.
It's a perfectly believable electoral outcome.
That seems backward.
It would seem the exact opposite - that blacks voting for Democrats in 1870 would be the ones who were influenced or intimidated.
If there were any Republican influence it would be at the primary - to support favored candidates - rather than the general election.
The last Civil War general to die (having held general officer rank during the war) was Union general Adelbert Ames who died in 1933. I always remember that since it was the year after my father was born.
No, he is not buried there although many of the 21st Wisconsin are buried there. My ancestor survived the Battle of Prairie Grove and came back home to Wis. with an injury.
” that blacks voting for Democrats in 1870 would be the ones who were influenced or intimidated.”
Remember that in 1870 the Republicans were the ones influencing the blacks and their vote.. Research the Union League.
look up the party affiliation of the blacks elected to offices in the southern states. all were Republican
The white then flocked to the Democrat party to try to regain power
which they of course did
Neither party can hold its’ head up for the way they acted during that time ( well or ever)
but there is no doubt that during Reconstruction the Republican party was intimidating/ influencing blacks to vote republican
**the last C.S.A. general to quit the war.**
I thought that was Cherokee General Stand Watie.
“The South Carolina population was almost 60% black at the time.
Why wouldn’t the state legislature reflect that”.
Because the vast majority couldn’t read and write. The only reason the Yankee occupiers put ex slaves in positions of authority was their hatred of SC for firing the first shot.
The Yankee federal occupiers could have cared less how incompetent the legislature in any Southern state was. The only reason the KKK was formed was because of the irresponsible actions of corrupt federal idiots that tried to their best to destroy the South.
Watie finally surrendered, Jubal Early never did.
When you have one party so strongly associated with slavery as the Democrats were, it didn't take much influence or intimidation to get former slaves to vote for the other guys.
Or do you really believe that African-Americans longed to vote for those who would take the vote away from them? And that they would have voted for their former masters if it weren't for those pesky Republicans?
Reading and writing have never been a constitutional qualification for voting or for office holding.
If they had, plenty of whites in the South would have been disqualified from voting as well.
And they would have had no excuse, because antebellum laws did not make it illegal for them to learn.
The only reason the Yankee occupiers put ex slaves in positions of authority was their hatred of SC for firing the first shot.
Were there other ex-Confederate states that were prevented from having black majority legislatures in the postbellum South? Or did the fact that close to two-thirds of the SC population was black have an impact on the election returns?
The Yankee federal occupiers could have cared less how incompetent the legislature in any Southern state was.
Was the all-white legislature that voted to engage in a unwinnable war with their own countrymen a "competent" legislature?
The only reason the KKK was formed was because of the irresponsible actions of corrupt federal idiots that tried to their best to destroy the South.
The corrupt idiots who did their best to destroy the South were Southerners.
Those same individuals made up the membership of the Klan.
The South was doing just fine - growing economically by leaps and bounds, actually - before SC decided that seceding was a smart idea. That was pretty much the definition of an irresponsible action.
do some research. There were black militias in the south during reconstruction and they did intimidate blacks who either didn’t vote or hadn’t made up their mind
Of course any thinking black man would vote republican but there were also many many( likely most of the former) uneducated blacks who knew nothing outside of being a slave. who can blame them? Those are the ones the black militia “educated”
why are you hung up on the use of the word intimidated?
“The only reason the KKK was formed was because of the irresponsible actions of corrupt federal idiots that tried to their best to destroy the South.
The corrupt idiots who did their best to destroy the South were Southerners.
Those same individuals made up the membership of the Klan”.
Well you know what say about opinions, we all have one.
SOUTHERNERS only wanted to be left the HELL ALONE. Your psychotic two-bit railroad lawyer president orchestrated the war that murdered almost a million Americans.
The South would have won the war if they hadn’t ran out of men to fight it. And when they had it won, the murdering railroad lawyer and his madman sidekick Sherman would have been hanging from the same oak tree.
Bullsnot. Not only did they insist on continuing the practice of slavery when the rest of the world was turning from it but they insisted on the rest of the states participating as well.
Secession forces the other states to adopt slavery in some way?
One wonders what was the effective taxation rate on the black slaves before the civil war. Probably close to 100%, even leaving aside the frequent rape of their women.
Amazing how our southern friends were all for race based slavery until they had to bear a tiny fraction of its indignities.
yes, the slavers wanted the fugitive slave law to return putative slaves to them, even those who had never been slaves.
Yes, the slave power invaded US territories (like Arizona) in an attempt to force slavery on others.
Glad I could help you out on that.
I don’t know how you could torture that response from my post but donmeaker has provided the answer as to how the slaver states forced non-slave states to participate.
Early tried to re-write history after the war. Very self serving in many many ways as far as I have discovered.
NY, Delaware, and the rest of the Yankee states had many slaves. Grant owned slaves, as did the murdering Sherman.
Grant didn’t get rid of his slaves till AFTER THE WAR ENDED.
When someone asked him why he kept the slaves his answer was “good help is hard to find”.
Taxation rate on Black slaves??? You mean that wonderful educational system of which General Early spoke that so well prepared the slaves for voting? And what about those Free Men of Color who owned slaves?
I would wager that more Blacks were raped as northern wage slaves than in the South. We have many, many, purebred Blacks here. But the wheel has turned because in 1850 one was White Trash if they sexually exploited Blacks while today one is considered Racist Trash if one is not willing to consort with Blacks.
New York ended slavery in 1827. Grant freed the only slave he owned in 1859. No evidence that I am aware of shows Sherman actually owning a slave.
A few points:
(1) The Confederacy (which was only a subset of Southerners) did not want to be left alone. If it did, it would not have attacked Fort Sumter. If it did it would not have moved immediately to secure Federal lands not under its jurisdiction.
The Confederacy was formed for war by men who wanted war.
(2) The war was not orchestrated by President Lincoln. The Confederacy seceded and mobilized before he ever took the oath of office.
(3) More of an aside: what have you got against railroads?
(4) The Confederacy did not run out of men to fight the war. It ran out of men willing to fight the war. Only about 20% of the Confederacy's white male population took up arms. The fact is that after Antietam very few North Carolinians, Tennesseeans, Alabamians and Georgians from the north of their states, and various other regions of the South simply quit volunteering for the Confederacy.
(5) Sherman's March revealed this point to be true. While Lee's men were starving and dwindling in numbers, Georgia had thousands of unmobilized white male civilians and rich bumper crops. Yet he encountered close to zero resistance - even though he had no supply lines and the Georgia state militia outnumbered his troops.
The tall ghost tales about Sherman were invented largely to hide the fact that there was no fight left in the heart of the Confederacy despite the large amount of men and materiel that were still abundant.
Toombs was a factor here as well, who had a large following.
Save your revisionist BS for someone who believes it. Sherman burned my GG grandfathers hometown of Columbia, SC to the ground, killing three of my uncles and two aunts. All non-combatants.
Wheeler’s Cavalry and the Georgia State Malitia was about a quarter the size of Sherman’s bummers.
Both sides conscripted recruits after 1862. Volunteers?
Lee on Early: “That man has more kids than any bachelor I know”
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