Skip to comments.BCS standings released, Week 15: Ohio State vs. Auburn the final rankings debate
Posted on 12/02/2013 8:34:12 AM PST by xzins
With one week to go before the BCS rankings leave us forever, an undefeated Big Ten power missing out on the national championship is somehow an actual worry. Meanwhile, Florida State's sitting pretty. Full standings below.
It doesn't matter that Ohio State went 12-0 last year. It doesn't matter that an unbeaten Auburn was shut out of the BCS National Championship in 2004. It doesn't matter that Ohio State has lost two national title games against SEC teams in recent years. It doesn't matter that the SEC has won seven straight championships.
Or at least it shouldn't.
What will matter, however, is whether the BCS polls and computers rank Ohio State or Auburn No. 2 next week, assuming the Buckeyes and (burnt orange and navy blue) Tigers win their respective conferences. We'd thought we were just about done with the season's series of debates over which team should rank No. 2 and which should rank No. 3, but we've only just now arrived at the biggest one yet.
For now, the updated BCS standings after Week 14's wild weekend:
A win by either the Spartans or the other Tigers would render all this moot (except for Auburn athletic director Jay Jacobs suddenly becoming a huge Mizzou* fan, we trust).
* Though Missouri would have a better case for No. 2 than Auburn would, if you ask me, since the (black and gold) Tigers have spent most of the year smashing fools by exorbitant margins. But nobody's asking me. Mizzou's probably too far back to jump that far, barring insanity.
If our new Nos. 2 and 3 win their conferences, the polls would be where Florida State finds its Pasadena opponent. While many voters would fall back on the SEC's presumed strength of schedule and difficulty (and most strength of schedule numbers do rate Auburn's as tougher so far), others would sympathize with a 13-0 BCS conference champion that was ineligible last year. At the moment, the Buckeyes hold that advantage, and would any voters who were unconvinced by an Auburn win over Alabama really be swayed by one over Missouri?
The difference could be Urban Meyer, who's successfully stumped his team into a BCS National Championship before -- and that was an SEC team at the expense of a Big Ten team. But do voters still think of Meyer as they did then? Whether Meyer's national profile has changed since '06 due to various controversies would actually matter. Like, actually help determine the season's champion. That's insane and ridiculous, but it's the system.
We don't know whether Auburn or Ohio State would win the right to go play FSU if the two played on a neutral field. We don't have a playoff yet, not for 12 more months. We do know the Buckeyes have won all but two of their games by multiple scores, while Auburn's won by a single score six times (including the two luckiest, most improbable winning plays of the year). Auburn's also lost a game by 14 points. Gus Malzahn and Nick Marshall have led an immaculate rebuild, but let's not let that loss be a footnote.
So it begins. One more week. The only vital contributions to the debate going forward will be those made by the players on the field in the Big Ten and SEC championship games.
Everyone has always known that a playoff is the best answer. Not until next year, though. We’re stuck with polling as the means of pairing the best teams.
I’m glad to have a 4 team playoff, but I prefer an 8 team. I’m fairly sure 8 teams will definitely include the best in the nation.
I’m also surprised how many fans don’t know the difference between “strength of schedule” and “strength of schedule rank.”
Just because my SOS rank is 40 and yours is 60 doesn’t mean they are separated by a significant actual SOS. That could be by as little as 2 or 3 points, given they get carried out to 3 or 4 decimal places.
For example, Arizona State at 10-2 has the #4 ranked SOS. Auburn at 11-1 has an SOS rank of #26.
If Auburn should jump over Ohio State because it has one loss but an sos rank of 26 and osu has zero losses but an sos rank 61, shouldn’t Az State, by the same logic, jump over Auburn?
Auburn’s SOS is 74 and Ohio States is 68. (Higher is better in actual sos.) What that means is averaging the strengths of the teams played by Auburn gives a 74 and averaging OSU’s gives a 68. Averaging Arizona State’s gives an 80.
If one were to talk schedule, here is Auburn’s:
Sat, Aug 31 vs
#34 Washington St
#110 Arkansas State
#44 Mississippi St
#35 Ole Miss
#217 W Carolina
#19 Texas A&M
#80 Florida Atl
With Missouri, that should average to about a 55 for the team’s played current position rank in the Sagarin format.
Ohio State is an average of 76, also using current rankings.
#96 San Diego State
#225 Florida A&M
#52 Penn State
#13 Michigan State
There is nothing to debate. If OSU wins they will play for the national title. The SEC was and still is way overrated this year. They should try going 2 years undefeated then they can have a point.
In 60+ years of football watching, don’t think I’ve ever seen a finish like the Iron Bowl.
That was a great run.
1982 Cal-Stanford is the only thing that comes close. And maybe Flutie’s TD against Miami.
Great execution and coaching (Yes, Coaching Matters!), by Malzahn, knowing Bama would have a bunch of big, slow blockers on the field.
The SEC has won the last seven BCS championships. It is the best football conference by far. Auburn or Missouri should be in the championship game, depending on who wins the SEC championship.
As soon as he caught the kick, I knew he was going to score.
The SEC this year is very weak.
Some pretty bad teams in the SEC this year: Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, all pretty atrocious, and none of those teams would even win Conference USA.
As an UGA fan, I don’t care. I am not even going to watch the two bozos in the game this weekend.
Everyone in the Obama Administration knows Tulane should be in the national championship game. That is all.
Well if we are using past performance to judge who goes this year...then No one has beaten OSU for 2 years! That makes them #1.
Baylor should be ranked higher.
This is really pretty simple. OSU is undefeated. If they beat Michigan State, they go to the BCS Championship. Auburn and Missouri each have one defeat. If Michigan State beats OSU, the winner of the Auburn/Missouri game goes to the BCS Championship, Having explained that, it really downs’t matter if OSU, Auburn or Misouri goes to the BCS Championship game because Florida State will “murder” any of the three. None of those teams can stay with FSU and in fact, by beating Alabama, Auburn may have saved Bama from being humiliated by FSU. There is one hope for the FSU opponent and that would be if the FSU QB Wilcox is indicted for that sexual assault allegation last December and then suspended before the game. Other than that, FSU romps.
Winning the last 7 BCS championships in a row is the real test of a conference. OSU had a hard time beating a mediocre Michigan team. The SEC has the best talent and the best teams. The NFL rosters are dominated by the SEC along with the Pro Bowl.
Who the hell has OSU played? Compare that to Auburn or Missouri schedules.
Most stunning ending to a game of significance since Laettner’s shot against Kentucky 92.
And the funny thing is? Vern Lundquist was on both calls. Man’s lived a charmed life.
“downs’t” should have read “doesn’t”. Old typing fingers.
I agree. It’s sad the SEC fans just can’t handle the fact that the SEC isn’t the powerful division is once was. Now losing to another SEC team really isn’t a good excuse.
I really noticed this year they were way over-hyped. But the Big 10 use to be that way and it took a while for perception to change. Now SEC is the way over-hyped conference. This year the Big 10 is better than they are given credit for but among all the conferences there is only a couple very strong teams but even the strong teams have weaknesses.
OSU & Alabama have suspect defenses. Michigan State has a good chance of winning this weekend...I think they are way underrated and may surprise everyone.
As an old phart myself, I have to ask why they have a 73 yr old guy announcing the big game?
Would you clarify this jibberish? You may have a point in there, but the way you wrote it, you conflated teams and conferences and ended up making a bass ackward point
how does a conference go undefeated two years in a row? OR, how does Ohio State going undefeated two years in a row prove the SEC is over rated or that the Big Ten is great??????? You make no sense here
..so try again
"...if GOD be for us, who can be against us?..." :-)
I thought teams played in the title game not a conference. If OSU or FSU has to play the entire SEC then something isn’t fair about that. But then that’s how the SEC hype works.
Putting myself in the CBS exec suite for a second they probably think has a nice voice, easy to listen to in a living room .and he knows when to shut up and let the game do the talking itself.
Who has Auburn and Missouri lost to?
Who has Ohio State lost to in the past two years?
BTW, The NCAA for basketball uses SOS for tourney placement. The weekly rankings also consider SOS.
Hard for the Media to rank fairly with so much money invested in the BSC elite...
And the SEC hurts itself in some ways .to wit .SC is far better than Clemson is, again this year .and yet, Clemson will likely go to a BCS bowl game and SC will not.
And FTR, you heard it here first: Mizzou to romp Auburn in SEC title game. Mizzou is hot and Auburn has cashed in ten years worth of chips the last couple weeks ...
The SEC has won the BCS Championship 7 years in a row. Until some other conference can demonstrate some parity with the SEC, which none has recently, the SEC should have the right to defend its supremacy with a one-loss team. Oregon and Notre Dame talked some hype, but they melted when they came out to play the big boys. I give FL State some respect, but not Ohio State as long as they hide behind their schedule in a 2nd class conference, undefeated or not. The Big 10 needs to prove they are worthy again. They used to be, but they haven’t been in quite a while. I look forward to the day the Big 10 can redeem themselves. It is much more fun to “hate” (in a competitive sense) them that way . . . :)
That’s another incomplete, nonsensical and straw argument?
Nice to see my Hawkeyes crack the top 25, finally.
I was writing that for SEC fanboys to understand. They always talk about their best team as being the whole conference.
So OSU has to be better than an entire conference...split it up how ever you like.
>> Baylor should be ranked higher.
Why? So they’ll have further to fall when my Longhorns destroy them next weekend?
(I’ll give you a couple minutes to stop laughing and compose your witty retort. :-) )
Well SOS doesn’t work if it uses the media rankings in their calculations.
ESPN started hating on the Big10 when the Big10 got it’s own network. Now that the SEC has one starting next year I bet ESPN starts to back another conference.
Well SEC fanboys can get irritating, but they do have a point. 7 straight BCS titles is no fluke. And they have demonstrated far superior speed in almost every single Big Ten SEC match up in the past 7 years as well ..in almost any bowl game at any level ..be it for the national title or a pair of 6-6 or 7-5 type teams.
Three out of the top 5 teams in the country are from the SEC. There are 7 SEC teams ranked in the top 25 compared to two for the Big Ten.
the SEC doesn’t play in the game a team does. By that argument last years winner should always get to play in the title game.
That is just stupid.
That’s paranoid ..the Big Ten network thing and the Big Ten has a good many fans on the ESPN staff ...
How so? And a straw argument is meant to be torn apart easily...so I’m not even sure you’re using the definition properly.
I have been following all this chatter about the SEC and Ohio State, but everybody seems to be ignoring the elephant in the room. Namely Florida State. I am a big Bama fan, but having watched Bama and Florida State play throughout the year, I was convinced that FSU would easily defeat Bama had they been matched in the Championship game. I still think Bama is better than Auburn (despite the loss), Ohio State and Missouri, but FSU would destroy any one of them.
Meanwhile, look at SC’s schedule,
In addition to the SEC schedule, they had Central Florida, Clemson and NC. The one cupcake was the second ranked team in the FCS ..
Or, they could have scheduled pasties.
That's ignorant right there
just plain ignorant.
So this year doesn’t matter. OSU getting speed on their team doesn’t matter...why even play the game if we are going to give it to a team based on last years performance.
But then OSU has gone two years undefeated...what other BCS eligible team has done that?
I’m using Sagarin’s.
Look at who Alabama played. They finally played a decent team and lost.
We shall see...that’s why they play the game :-)