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Any cattlemen out there?
self | 12/3/2013 | TheRhinelander

Posted on 12/03/2013 2:18:20 PM PST by TheRhinelander

Any cattlemen out there? I'm thinking about raising one for meat. It would be more like free range veal as I'd get it in April and slaughter it in October.

Any experience? Is this a good idea? I'm trying to avoid hay which is expensive. Is that long enough to get good weight? Anything to watch out for?


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KEYWORDS: beef
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1 posted on 12/03/2013 2:18:20 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: TheRhinelander

No, but I have a big hat.


2 posted on 12/03/2013 2:22:32 PM PST by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: TheRhinelander

Purchase price plus land to put it on ( I assume you already have the land with good grazing and water) plus grain if you want better beef plus paying to have it processed and room to store all that meat and a family big enough to consume it in a timely manner.


3 posted on 12/03/2013 2:23:13 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: TheRhinelander

I do have two Great Pyrennes livestock guardian dogs so protection should not be an issue.


4 posted on 12/03/2013 2:24:19 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: saganite

Land and water not an issue. I have a place that will slaughter and process the meat and a big freezer to store it.


5 posted on 12/03/2013 2:25:15 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: saganite

Uberti makes a great SA revolver called a Cattleman. I have one Thats as close as I get to cows.


6 posted on 12/03/2013 2:26:10 PM PST by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: TheRhinelander

I raise cattle, right at 1000 head.

Go get a 4H book from High School on raising an animal of your choice. Read it.


7 posted on 12/03/2013 2:28:39 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Will do. My main concern is vet bills and final weight with that much growth time.


8 posted on 12/03/2013 2:29:25 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: TheRhinelander

Then buy an Angus.


9 posted on 12/03/2013 2:29:45 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: TheRhinelander
Any cattlemen out there? I'm thinking about raising one for meat.

I find cattlemen to be a bit tough. Make sure you marinate the meat overnight.
10 posted on 12/03/2013 2:31:48 PM PST by armydoc
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To: TheRhinelander

Check out homesteader books on “the family cow” for suggestions. Also (depending on where you live) check the stocking rates - you may have to supplement grass with hay and grains (i.e. Wisconsin -> 1 acre/cow calf unit. Wyoming -> 320 acres/cow calf unit). Consider chatting with the local 4-H leaders - they can get you in touch with people who raise cattle. Finally, be ready to pay more as large operations have economies of scale. Hope this helps.


11 posted on 12/03/2013 2:31:52 PM PST by PrairieDawg
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To: armydoc

LOL!


12 posted on 12/03/2013 2:32:40 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: TheRhinelander

I have a boyhood friend who is the executive director for a breed. He might know something.

http://www.holsteinworld.com/story.php?id=8433


13 posted on 12/03/2013 2:32:50 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: PrairieDawg

I will. I have one year to get the pasture ready so I have some time to do research.


14 posted on 12/03/2013 2:33:25 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I have no experience whatsoever with livestock, but my first thought when reading this thread was “4-H could help”.


15 posted on 12/03/2013 2:34:55 PM PST by NEMDF
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To: TheRhinelander

Find a local farmer with cattle or a guy with a cow-calf operation. Tell him you want to buy one of his calves and have him raise it to whatever size you want. He probably knows a local slaughterhouse as well.

He will charge you a dressed-out price per lb, but I guarantee you it will be a LOT cheaper than your local supermarket, as long as you like all the different cuts you will get.

You do NOT want to raise one animal by yourself, especially because it sounds like you aren’t familiar with animal husbandry.


16 posted on 12/03/2013 2:35:06 PM PST by PGR88
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To: armydoc

Well played Sir!


17 posted on 12/03/2013 2:35:50 PM PST by PGR88
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To: TheRhinelander

Joel Salatin - Salad Bar Beef - check it out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHkIUcOB2vA


18 posted on 12/03/2013 2:35:54 PM PST by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: NEMDF

Offer up free pasture and you may get all kinds of help.


19 posted on 12/03/2013 2:36:10 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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20 posted on 12/03/2013 2:36:11 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Obama's Rule #17: "Do whatever it f****** takes.")
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To: denco

Ping.


21 posted on 12/03/2013 2:36:12 PM PST by Springman (Rest In Peace YaYa123, Bahbah, and Just Lori.)
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To: TheRhinelander

I can only dream about doing something that adventurous. Meanwhile, I do like those Cattlemen Restaurants and that Supper Menu.


22 posted on 12/03/2013 2:36:50 PM PST by lee martell
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To: TheRhinelander

1. Buy a freezer.

2. Buy a side of beef & have it cut to your specifications.


23 posted on 12/03/2013 2:36:56 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: PGR88

Will do. I raise chickens but that’s as far as I’ve gone. Lots of places that raise cattle here and I plan on talking to them too.


24 posted on 12/03/2013 2:37:41 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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Raising one is not economical.

Raising 300 or so might be.

Sure, you can control what it's fed, but that guarantees nothing.

in any event, you will wind up with something that cost you $30 per pound that is not worth a fraction of that and doesn't taste any better than what you could buy at the grocery store.

Leave the beef cattle business to the people who do it on a large scale.

25 posted on 12/03/2013 2:38:51 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: smokingfrog

I’ve also considered that. I need to work out the costs.


26 posted on 12/03/2013 2:38:59 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: TheRhinelander
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HIDDEN COSTS: Flatulence fee$....
... & all that BS...

27 posted on 12/03/2013 2:40:10 PM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: TheRhinelander

When I was a kid I loved veal. Then, I found out veal is calf meat. Ugh! Lol, I know; I know. Funny, I don’t mind eating an adult cow. I just can’t kill and eat a calf.


28 posted on 12/03/2013 2:40:13 PM PST by TennesseeGirl (Learn history and REMEMBER)
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Probably wont be big enough to start feeding on his own in April, you would need a cow and calf.

You might have to take the calf off the cow before October because he could get too big if you have good grass and a good momma cow.

Get a bull calf and cut him young, he would be more than ready for the freezer by October.


29 posted on 12/03/2013 2:42:59 PM PST by IMR 4350
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It will depend on your forage whether you'll need to augment with feed before market. I think TTR has it right - the people I know locally who only raise one head are usually 4H kids. And oh, my, do they do a good job!

I am not a cattleman, er, cattleperson, BTW. My neighbors raise them. One in particular had the biggest, toughest looking cows I ever saw last year. He called them "Bison".

30 posted on 12/03/2013 2:44:28 PM PST by Billthedrill
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If it is already vaccinated when you get it you shouldn’t have any vet bills. I would buy one of those molasses buckets because it has vitamins and some extra protein. How old is it going to be when you get it?


31 posted on 12/03/2013 2:44:41 PM PST by tiki
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To: PJ-Comix

32 posted on 12/03/2013 2:45:03 PM PST by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: PGR88
sounds like you aren’t familiar with animal husbandry.

He wants to Raise it and Eat it, not Marry it;)

33 posted on 12/03/2013 2:45:06 PM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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34 posted on 12/03/2013 2:47:04 PM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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If you buy an animal in April, keep in next to your house and plan on killing it in October, your kids and your wife will have made a pet out of it by then, given it a name and they will refuse to eat it. Not only that, they will never forgive you for killing Suzie.


35 posted on 12/03/2013 2:47:55 PM PST by Ditter
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One word of caution - let the kiddies name it something like “Sir Loin” or “Barbecue” and not “Buddy.”


36 posted on 12/03/2013 2:49:46 PM PST by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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I would recommend Semimetal cattle as they are really tender; but they have changed the breed so much. So I would go with Angus. Ask yourself, can you really eat something you have raised from calf to slaughter?


37 posted on 12/03/2013 2:50:39 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Ditter

You beat me to it...


38 posted on 12/03/2013 2:50:55 PM PST by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: TheRhinelander

You can get a “feeder” calf at the local livestock auction in the Spring. Get angus or hereford. Stay far away from dairy breeds. Steer or heifer doesn’t matter much. Steers may grow just a little faster.

It’s best if you can graze the animal all summer. Hay is expensive - at least it is here.

You will end up with better beef than feed lot beef. It will be leaner and taste better. No funky growth hormones.
It will cost more as your animal will be smallish when you process it (and the feed costs if you have to buy feed).

I save money by doing the cut-and-wrap myself after paying the mobile butcher to slaughter the animals and hang them for two weeks in their locker. Got the instructions on YouTube. It’s a whole-family operation to cut up a cow and get it in the freezer. The dogs profit nicely from all of the bones.


39 posted on 12/03/2013 2:51:13 PM PST by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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That would be my suggestion for someone unfamiliar with raising cattle.

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I had a ‘city’ friend one time who got the brilliant idea of planting a garden in his back yard. He found out it took a lot of work and upkeep, even though it was only about 15’x15’. It still had to be hoed, weeded, watered, etc., and I ended up doing most of that.

The next spring, he said he might try again. When I told him he would be on his own for the next one, he decided it wasn’t such a brilliant idea after all.


40 posted on 12/03/2013 2:51:19 PM PST by TomGuy (.)
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Be real sure about where you put the critter. Alone, a steer is nearly defenseless against wolves or nearly wild dogs. It is inquisitive but not smart, and can get rolled up in barbed wire, or loose onto a road causing traffic liability.

If you want some semi free range meat, consider some pigs. They grow faster, are less picky about feed.


41 posted on 12/03/2013 2:51:24 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: TheRhinelander

Raising a single cow sounds more like a pet than a meal.


42 posted on 12/03/2013 2:51:42 PM PST by jimmango
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Pretty picture of AI, PJ. Or maybe checking to see if the cow is ready to AI?


43 posted on 12/03/2013 2:52:08 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: elkfersupper; TheRhinelander

I was about to say a similar thing after talking with a friend who raised her own for a few years and finds it less demanding and less expensive overall to purchase either directly from a market or freezer stock in sides from a butcher wholesaler.


44 posted on 12/03/2013 2:53:16 PM PST by Baynative (Wake me up early, be good to my dogs and teach my children to pray.)
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To: Ditter

Now for all the standard responses to, “How rare would you like your steak, sir?”


45 posted on 12/03/2013 2:53:24 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: PGR88; TheRhinelander

I second PGR88. Find a friendly farmer and buy one for a bit more than the going rate and he will probably be happy to accommodate you.


46 posted on 12/03/2013 2:53:59 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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We are raising a Holstein steer. His name is, ‘Dinner.’ His ‘Use By Date’ is January 8, 2014. We’ve had him since early April. He should’ve been butchered in October, but the butcher we want to use is THAT GOOD, so this was the earliest they could get us in.

He’s been grass fed; Beau tied him in various places in the house yard to ‘mow’ the lawn, LOL! Watch your step! He also ate all the Hosta from around the house, and the top half of the pole beans in the garden. *Rolleyes*

He gets two scoops of grain and a scoop of minerals most days.

He’s coming back up to the barn from the pasture to put the final bulk on him, so he’ll be on hay and grain for the next month to bulk him up.

So, mainly grass fed, but you’ll have to supplement to some extent for the best results.


47 posted on 12/03/2013 2:54:24 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: PGR88; TheRhinelander

Or even go to a stockyard and purchase one.


48 posted on 12/03/2013 2:54:25 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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“If you buy an animal in April, keep in next to your house and plan on killing it in October, your kids and your wife will have made a pet out of it by then, given it a name and they will refuse to eat it. Not only that, they will never forgive you for killing Suzie.”

That’s the truth.


49 posted on 12/03/2013 2:59:44 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: elkfersupper

I’ve raised a small herd of beef (35) on a large acerage & then moved to a small acerage. Daughter raised every thing known to mankind on that small acerage for 4H & FFA. We had horses for years, now out of that. I’m into growing fruits & vegetables and fishing or shooting for the meat now.

Let him have the experience, life is a journey.


50 posted on 12/03/2013 3:03:04 PM PST by Cold Heart
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