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Mass grave found near cathedral
Belfast Telegraph ^ | November 29, 2013 | unattributed

Posted on 12/03/2013 7:02:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Archaeologists have found a mass grave close to one of Britain's favourite cathedrals.

Bones from 18 bodies have been discovered by Durham University experts during building work at the Palace Green Library, part of the World Heritage Site in the historic city centre.

At first it was thought the bodies were buried in Durham Cathedral's medieval cemetery which was bigger than the current burial plot.

But further examination revealed an unorthodox and intriguing layout to the bodies which archaeologists say is proof of a mass burial.

Richard Annis, senior archaeologist, Archaeological Services Durham University, said: "We have found clear evidence of a mass burial and not a normal group of graves.

"The bodies have been tipped into the earth without elaborate ceremony and they are tightly packed together and jumbled.

"Some are buried in a North to South alignment, rather than the traditional East to West alignment that we would expect from a conventional medieval burial site."

Further research will be carried out on the remains, which will be tested to show their age. This will happen in the New Year.

Mr Annis added that no definitive interpretation could be offered at this stage in the investigation, saying: "The process of post-excavation processing, examination and analysis is essential to allow us to draw proper conclusions about this group of human remains.

"It is too early to say what they may be."

Once the bones have been examined - with permission from the Ministry of Justice - they must be reinterred at an approved burial ground.

(Excerpt) Read more at belfasttelegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: durhamcathedral; godsgravesglyphs; palacegreenlibrary
Medieval mass grave hints at gruesome secret [Jan 25, 2012]

1 posted on 12/03/2013 7:02:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: NYer; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ..

2 posted on 12/03/2013 7:03:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv

3 posted on 12/03/2013 7:07:09 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

One of these days, they are goign to open a tomb or grave and soem nasty unknown pathogen is going to be released, something perhaps akin to the sweating sickness.


4 posted on 12/03/2013 7:15:13 PM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Plague pit.


5 posted on 12/03/2013 7:16:02 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Mmogamer

I have the same concern.

Here I New Mexico, there are several well preserved towns dating from the pre-Columbian period or thereabouts (1400 to 1550 AD).

All the Indians just died for unknown reasons. Unburied bodies found in hidey holes.

Best guess from locals is some sort of hantavirus.

Apparently this killed 95% of the North American population before Europeans even showed up.

We get occasional outbreaks out this way. The CDC comes and burns down the house.


6 posted on 12/03/2013 7:24:03 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

” The CDC comes and burns down the house.”

Prevents zombies.
/ kidding.


7 posted on 12/03/2013 7:32:18 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweating_sickness

whatever it was, it killed within hours.


8 posted on 12/03/2013 7:40:13 PM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Apparently this killed 95% of the North American population before Europeans even showed up.

Can you elaborate? I thought the great die-off was the product of the disease wave unleashed after European contact. Disease travelled much faster than exploration and settlement, so Indians across North America were dying en masse long before whites showed up in their vicinity. Absent the germ theory of disease, no one at the time connected the dots but the European origin of the epidemic is clear to us today.

But I've never heard of a 95% die-out prior to first contact.

9 posted on 12/03/2013 7:49:48 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Publius
Plague pit.

No doubt, the Black Death.

10 posted on 12/03/2013 8:03:48 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: SunkenCiv

Plague? Mass graves were common during the plague of the mid 1600s just before the Great Fire.


11 posted on 12/03/2013 8:22:31 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: sphinx
No. Not prior to first contact. The first explorers and conquistadores ALL reported large populations and village after village. A generation later the reports were of villages with remains of the dead all about and empty land. In all the Americas it was the same.

1491 - Charles C. Mann

The apparent hantavirus dieoff occurred a bit later than the first years and equally devastating though limited probably to Mexico and is theorized but quite possible.

12 posted on 12/04/2013 5:10:31 AM PST by ThanhPhero (Khách sang La Vang hanh huong tham vieng Maria)
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To: Darksheare

“Prevents zombies.”

Given that hantavirus results in brain swelling and symptoms that mimic rabies, you’re actually not that far off.

I sometimes wonder if the American obsession with zombies isn’t related to some sort of racial/historical memory of the plague.


13 posted on 12/04/2013 7:37:18 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: ThanhPhero

“The apparent hantavirus dieoff occurred a bit later than the first years and equally devastating though limited probably to Mexico and is theorized but quite possible.”

Tell that to Squanto (the Indian with the Pilgrims) whose entire tribe died off years before the Pilgrims showed up -— pretty far from Mexico.

There are Conquestador reports of entire towns with dead people in them -— just lying about, unburied.


14 posted on 12/04/2013 7:41:25 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: sphinx

Here, first google hit:

http://www.examiner.com/article/apocalypic-mysterious-plague-killed-millions-of-native-americans-the-1500s


15 posted on 12/04/2013 7:45:41 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: ThanhPhero

“No. Not prior to first contact. The first explorers and conquistadores ALL reported large populations and village after village.”

That’s actually not quite true. Early first contact explorers ALSO saw towns full of freshly dead people (see link in prior post).

It’s almost like Europeans showed up in the cusp of the plague. Sure, smallpox may have pushed things over, but SOMETHING was up.


16 posted on 12/04/2013 7:47:37 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: TheThirdRuffian; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; ...
Not a current outbreak, but interesting discussions in the thread.

Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

17 posted on 12/04/2013 8:45:19 AM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Probably.
Legends about vampires may have started due to a rabies outbreak.


18 posted on 12/04/2013 9:20:39 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Mmogamer
Captain Trips.

-PJ

19 posted on 12/04/2013 9:25:00 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Tell that to Squanto (the Indian with the Pilgrims) whose entire tribe died off years before the Pilgrims showed up -— pretty far from Mexico.

So is Montana, but they had an outbreak of it over in Poplar a few years back (one dead, even with modern medicine).

20 posted on 12/04/2013 10:23:40 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

We’ve had 84 in New Mexico recently. I believe all but a few died.

I wasn’t joking when I said the CDC burned down the houses.


21 posted on 12/04/2013 10:26:26 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

It is nasty stuff. Here, they said it was from breathing the crystallized urine of mice carrying the disease (likely in forced-air heating ducts). Burning the house makes sense, if the infection was vectored by mice—there is no way to remove the urine from the building with any certainty.


22 posted on 12/04/2013 10:28:48 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I thought they determined the Indians died from small pox. Small pox was also killing most of the people in Europe at that time.


23 posted on 12/04/2013 3:35:03 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Smallpox didn’t help things but the initial body blows were hantavirus, probably local. See link at post 15.


24 posted on 12/04/2013 7:10:00 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Squanto’s people had already had contact with Europeans. Squanto had already been to Europe. That’s how it is that he knew English.


25 posted on 12/04/2013 7:16:44 PM PST by ThanhPhero (Khách sang La Vang hanh huong tham vieng Maria)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
"Smallpox didn’t help things but the initial body blows were hantavirus, probably local."

The Indians didn't have any defense against a host of diseases that arrived with the Europeans.

26 posted on 12/04/2013 7:19:06 PM PST by Flag_This (Liberalism: Kills countries dead.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Early first contact but NOT first arrivals. As explorers pushed westward out of the original settlements they found the dead villages. The European diseases had already been there. Disease moved much faster than explorers. There had been visitors long before there were any settlers. Read 1491.
27 posted on 12/04/2013 7:20:26 PM PST by ThanhPhero (Khách sang La Vang hanh huong tham vieng Maria)
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To: ThanhPhero

“Squanto had already been to Europe. That’s how it is that he knew English.”

Yes, he was captured because his entire tribe mysteriously died prior to contact with Europeans. His first contact was to be enslaved.

As did, in fact, the tribe native to the area where the pilgrims settled.


28 posted on 12/05/2013 7:38:37 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: Flag_This

“The Indians didn’t have any defense against a host of diseases that arrived with the Europeans.”

Sure. But they were already dying in large numbers of SOMETHING.


29 posted on 12/05/2013 7:39:31 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: ThanhPhero

I don’t have to read 1491.

I’m married to a doctor who happens to be Mescalero Apache and specializes in communicable disease and who wrote her PhD thesis on what killed the Indians before the Apache, utilizing DNA samples of dead folk.

They were (at least in this area) full of hantavirus inside the skulls.


30 posted on 12/05/2013 7:42:13 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
"Sure. But they were already dying in large numbers of SOMETHING."

People tend to just say "smallpox", but more mundane things like the flu killed off large numbers of the native populations also.

31 posted on 12/05/2013 2:16:03 PM PST by Flag_This (Liberalism: Kills countries dead.)
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